We have the roster projections thread and the expectations thread, but given today is cutdown day, we need a place to discuss the actual moves BB makes to get down to 53.
That place is here.
Have at it.
That place is here.
Have at it.
I don't see this, if only because, if this was a possibility, they would've set up a retirement ceremony that would've made the James White stuff look small.Would people here be stunned if Slater is cut?
Yeah, Bill will heap Tedy Bruschi levels of retirement praise on Slater when he calls it a career.I think some offensive veterans will get cut or traded.
Pick 2 from this list:
Agholor
Bourne
Jacoby Meyers
Jonnu Smith
David Andrews
I don't see this, if only because, if this was a possibility, they would've set up a retirement ceremony that would've made the James White stuff look small.
I don't see even 1 from that list going anywhere.I think some offensive veterans will get cut or traded.
Pick 2 from this list:
Agholor
Bourne
Jacoby Meyers
Jonnu Smith
David Andrews
The young center, Russey, has had rave reviews, and apparently can't switch to Guard.No chance Andrews is cut. He's the absolute anchor for that line, and the line is struggling enough right now as it is. I could see one of the other guys from that list going though.
And I'm not talking about Slater retiring (which is what White did). I'm talking about him being cut. Totally different.
Smith - this will leave tight end very sgallow, but he hasn't begun to produce what his salary dictatesI think some offensive veterans will get cut or traded.
Pick 2 from this list:
Agholor
Bourne
Jacoby Meyers
Jonnu Smith
David Andrews
I don't see this, if only because, if this was a possibility, they would've set up a retirement ceremony that would've made the James White stuff look small.
I thought about Russey, but I don't know how much game exposure he's received. Besides, with the OL already in tumult, you're going to play 2 rookies (Russey and Strange) in the middle of the line? That's inconceivable, which means it may very well happen.The young center, Russey, has had rave reviews, and apparently can't switch to Guard.
Slater is tied to the community closer than any other Patriot, maybe ever. Not to mention that he's a fan favorite and a Belichick favorite. Even Cam Newton got released before cutdown day. There's zero chance that Belichick would just cut Slater.
But the fun part is we'll see in the next 6 hours!
I also should have added Trent Brown, Michael Onwenu, and Damien Harris to the list.
Has Russey been playing with the top line at all? I am instinctively discounting any rave reviews for any lineman given their collective performance this preseason.The young center, Russey, has had rave reviews, and apparently can't switch to Guard.
Slater is tied to the community closer than any other Patriot, maybe ever. Not to mention that he's a fan favorite and a Belichick favorite. Even Cam Newton got released before cutdown day. There's zero chance that Belichick would just cut Slater.
But the fun part is we'll see in the next 6 hours!
I also should have added Trent Brown, Michael Onwenu, and Damien Harris to the list.
I'd love to make him ST coach the minute he retires.Would people here be stunned if Slater is cut? Obviously he's a captain and one of the true leaders on the team. He's also a special teams only guy who is now 37 years old, and he makes $2.5 million. According to Spotrac, his dead cap hit would only be $152,500, so they could save a decent amount of money by cutting him. And they have some really really good special teams guys in camp right now, who are much younger than Slater.
I love the guy - one of my all time favorite Patriots - and I've heard NO rumors of this at all. I'm just wondering if people would be shocked to see a guy like Slater cut.
As would I. I don't know if he wants to get into coaching, but I bet BB would hire him in an instant. Not sure Slater wants to put in those kinds of hours though.I'd love to make him ST coach the minute he retires.
Can they use the Pedroia Exception and still pay him as a coach?I'd love to make him ST coach the minute he retires.
There are very predictable roster planning things fans discuss which largely include (1) cutting any coverage special teams player not making the minimum (2) cut interior offensive linemen not making the minimum and three cutting any other non pro bowler or near pro bowler who makes more than about a million bucks.Why are people even debating Slater or Andrews? There is zero chance they are cut. There are no surprise cuts expected today per beat writers (though wouldn't much of a surprise would it...) and trades seem to be the only wildcard.
This would, of course, be shocking even if the numbers above were correct.Would people here be stunned if Slater is cut? Obviously he's a captain and one of the true leaders on the team. He's also a special teams only guy who is now 37 years old, and he makes $2.5 million. According to Spotrac, his dead cap hit would only be $152,500, so they could save a decent amount of money by cutting him. And they have some really really good special teams guys in camp right now, who are much younger than Slater.
I love the guy - one of my all time favorite Patriots - and I've heard NO rumors of this at all. I'm just wondering if people would be shocked to see a guy like Slater cut.
Before reading this, he seemed like a candidate to be cut and then immediately brought back via the practice squad. But if I am reading you correctly the Pats would take a financial hit if they did that.This would, of course, be shocking even if the numbers above were correct.
Slaters deal is fully guaranteed this year, and since he signed a Veteran Salary Benefit deal, his cap hit is only 1.27M. If you cut him, it doubles to 2.62M.
Also as a general rule, don't go looking for reasons to cut Matthew Slater.
not particularly, I mean it might make it more likely, but they could easily cut both.Would suggest Humphrey has a good shot at making the roster?
They would, correct.Before reading this, he seemed like a candidate to be cut and then immediately brought back via the practice squad. But if I am reading you correctly the Pats would take a financial hit if they did that.
McMillan would be a surprise--patriots.com just put out an article touting him and WilsonThey would, correct.
Mike Reiss had a good list this morning on twitter of guys he identified as possibilities to be cut and return after guy(s) are put on IR.
He had Carl Davis, Henry Anderson, Reakwon McMillan, Terrance Mitchell and Joe Cardona.
"They're definitely going to be a big part of the defense. Excited to have both those guys, and they've made some plays for us in the preseason. I'm excited, and I know they are, too," (Steve) Belichick told Patriots.com during Monday's media availability.
He wasn't talking about him not being on the team.McMillan would be a surprise--patriots.com just put out an article touting him and Wilson
New England Patriots on Twitter: "Fresh linebackers bring speed and energy to Patriots defense. @Kwon_daTRUTH & @MackWilSr aim to make an impact in New England: https://t.co/vLkPTdmrEM" / Twitter
Still can't believe that team rebounded from that, plus the shellacking at the hands of the Bills in week one to go on to win another Super Bowl.I'm expecting pretty minimal fireworks. Andrews and Slater would be bigger than Milloy level shocks.......................
I understand that. But I still don't think that happens to players they think will be a big part of the team--especially since once you cut them they can theoretically leave no matter the "understanding".He wasn't talking about him not being on the team.
Talking about him being a guy they cut today, with the understanding he's re-signed after they put guys on IR.
Hardly a salary cap expert -- and frankly some of the contract clauses are so complicated I wouldn't even try to guess about implications of cuts, so people should feel free to correct me -- but if I understand dead cap implications, some of these guys are almost certainly not going to released because it would lead to huge amounts of dead money: Jonnu Smith ($26M), Agholor ($10M), Andrews ($5.9M). You can predict the most likely cuts most years by looking at the dead cap amounts here: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/cap/I think some offensive veterans will get cut or traded.
Pick 2 from this list:
Agholor
Bourne
Jacoby Meyers
Jonnu Smith
David Andrews
Glass half full re Taylor cut: Montgomery must be fine.Bummer: JJ Taylor cut. So are:
DL Henry Anderson
DB/ST Justin Bethel
View: https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1564674780036534272?s=20&t=xEn9Ap3dOg3STJ42fa7HIw
Suggests that Montgomery isn't a serious injuryBummer: JJ Taylor cut. So are:
DL Henry Anderson
DB/ST Justin Bethel
View: https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1564674780036534272?s=20&t=xEn9Ap3dOg3STJ42fa7HIw
True, I just always liked watching Taylor run and pick up blitzes. And at 5'6" he was easy to root for.Glass half full re Taylor cut: Montgomery must be fine.
And this makes sense too.Per Lazar, Bethel is expected back.
Big blow to the team's awesome names depth.
Down to 74 per Lazar.
I bet he gets signed to the Tampa 53 at some point before Week 1.Old friend Logan Ryan was cut. Time to reunite and see if there's still a spark?
No.Old friend Logan Ryan was cut. Time to reunite and see if there's still a spark?