Patriots Roster Cutdown Thread 2022: Deadline August 30, 4 pm

Harry Hooper

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generally a little quicker to cut a not so great draft pick. You'd look like a slightly better drafter if you kept asiasi or McGrone and dropped a guy like tavai and it wouldn't matter very much at all (or dropped Cody Davis and kept Kevin Harris ).
Great point about the Pats seeming to be quicker to flush guys who aren't working out.
 

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I look at this roster and it's as blah as blah can be. In years gone by, they'd have to cut talented players that got scooped up by other teams; this year, one player they cut got claimed, instead of "getting down to 53 players", it was more like "getting up to 53 players."

They really have drafted poorly from about 2017 through 2020, I thought 2021 was a good draft, the jury is still out on 2022.

They don't have up and coming young players on rookie deals to fill holes, they have to overpay for veterans to fill those holes.

This team to the best of my knowledge has a habit of letting players walk/trading them away prior to or after their rookie deals; Jones, Collins, Flowers, Michel, Jackson, Ryan, Brown, Butler, then they played hardball with players like Gilmore and traded him and others away. It's one thing if you have someone on your roster who can step in and be as good or better, but they don't.

Have all those players gone on to have great careers elsewhere; some have done ok, others not so much, we drink the Kool Aid around here "BB knows what he's doing/next man up/he'll coach up guys and they'll be fine."..............the past couple of years; not so much, at least for me, you can't keep letting guys walk. I doubt if Wynn or Harris are on this team next year as their rookie deals are up at the end of the year, Wynn has been a bit of a disappointment, but now again they'll have a hole that needs to be filled with the draft. Harris may be up at the end of 2023, don't really know off the top of my head, maybe not, but again, I would not be shocked if they let him walk.

Been a fan since 1968, this is one of the most pessimistic outlooks I've had on a season in a long time, probably since 2000. On the one hand, it's comical to say that as they had an incredible 18 year run, but on the other hand, reality is what it is, long gone are the days of "Looking at their schedule, I've got them at 13-3, maybe 14-2, AFCCG at least, I'm only worried about this team or that team".........now they are looking up at about 10 teams in the AFC, two in their division alone.

I love this place as a lot of people here are being very realistic and calling it like they see it.

I really, really, hope I am proven wrong and they have a great year; it's no fun watching a team be noncompetitive.

Time will tell.
 

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I look at this roster and it's as blah as blah can be. In years gone by, they'd have to cut talented players that got scooped up by other teams; this year, one player they cut got claimed, instead of "getting down to 53 players", it was more like "getting up to 53 players."
As a note, it may have seemed this way, but.... it doesn't appear to actually be true. I looked back and from 2015-2020 it looks like we had 1 or 0 players claimed every year, and we claimed as many as we lost over that period.

When the team is good everyone thinks the bench guys are secret hidden gems hidden behind the stars, when we're mediocre, they're garbage who can't beat out the starters. The truth is... pretty similar guys on the end of the roster every single year.
 

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As a note, it may have seemed this way, but.... it doesn't appear to actually be true. I looked back and from 2015-2020 it looks like we had 1 or 0 players claimed every year, and we claimed as many as we lost over that period.

When the team is good everyone thinks the bench guys are secret hidden gems hidden behind the stars, when we're mediocre, they're garbage who can't beat out the starters. The truth is... pretty similar guys on the end of the roster every single year.
Where did you find those numbers? I just found this article after a basic google search for 2017...byline reads "On Sept. 3, New England saw an NFL-high four roster cuts claimed off waivers. Let’s revisit them."
https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/10/4/16413798/how-four-players-claimed-off-waivers-from-new-england-patriots-have-fared-since-nfl-roster-cutdowns
 

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Where did you find those numbers? I just found this article after a basic google search for 2017...byline reads "On Sept. 3, New England saw an NFL-high four roster cuts claimed off waivers. Let’s revisit them."
https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/10/4/16413798/how-four-players-claimed-off-waivers-from-new-england-patriots-have-fared-since-nfl-roster-cutdowns
hmm interesting, I was going off sbnation lists mostly. Not sure how they missed that year, they only had McDermott.
 

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I look at this roster and it's as blah as blah can be. In years gone by, they'd have to cut talented players that got scooped up by other teams; this year, one player they cut got claimed, instead of "getting down to 53 players", it was more like "getting up to 53 players."

They really have drafted poorly from about 2017 through 2020, I thought 2021 was a good draft, the jury is still out on 2022.

They don't have up and coming young players on rookie deals to fill holes, they have to overpay for veterans to fill those holes.

This team to the best of my knowledge has a habit of letting players walk/trading them away prior to or after their rookie deals; Jones, Collins, Flowers, Michel, Jackson, Ryan, Brown, Butler, then they played hardball with players like Gilmore and traded him and others away. It's one thing if you have someone on your roster who can step in and be as good or better, but they don't.

Have all those players gone on to have great careers elsewhere; some have done ok, others not so much, we drink the Kool Aid around here "BB knows what he's doing/next man up/he'll coach up guys and they'll be fine."..............the past couple of years; not so much, at least for me, you can't keep letting guys walk. I doubt if Wynn or Harris are on this team next year as their rookie deals are up at the end of the year, Wynn has been a bit of a disappointment, but now again they'll have a hole that needs to be filled with the draft. Harris may be up at the end of 2023, don't really know off the top of my head, maybe not, but again, I would not be shocked if they let him walk.

Been a fan since 1968, this is one of the most pessimistic outlooks I've had on a season in a long time, probably since 2000. On the one hand, it's comical to say that as they had an incredible 18 year run, but on the other hand, reality is what it is, long gone are the days of "Looking at their schedule, I've got them at 13-3, maybe 14-2, AFCCG at least, I'm only worried about this team or that team".........now they are looking up at about 10 teams in the AFC, two in their division alone.

I love this place as a lot of people here are being very realistic and calling it like they see it.

I really, really, hope I am proven wrong and they have a great year; it's no fun watching a team be noncompetitive.

Time will tell.
Good post, this is my take as well.
The overall (lack of) talent level combined with the OC confusion and a tough conference has lead to the concern voiced by the beat writers. It all points to a bad year.
I just hope Mac and the young players they need to build around can develop this year and have enough positive strides to go rebuild for the next two years or so.
 

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hmm interesting, I was going off sbnation lists mostly. Not sure how they missed that year, they only had McDermott.
Maybe they were just looking at draft picks? Carr and Moore were UDFAs and O'Shaughnessey was a guy acquired via trade.

As a note, it may have seemed this way, but.... it doesn't appear to actually be true. I looked back and from 2015-2020 it looks like we had 1 or 0 players claimed every year, and we claimed as many as we lost over that period.

When the team is good everyone thinks the bench guys are secret hidden gems hidden behind the stars, when we're mediocre, they're garbage who can't beat out the starters. The truth is... pretty similar guys on the end of the roster every single year.
The concerns about losing guys are overblown year after year. Most teams are worried about their own 90-man guys and largely interested in keeping as many of them as they can on their 53 and practice squads. They'd rather work with guys they've been working with than someone new. Teams also generally have the pulse on which of their guys are desirable around the league and which they can sneak through waivers. Around the league there were only 33 waiver claims this year, so the Pats losing 1 player is almost exactly average.
 

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Maybe they were just looking at draft picks? Carr and Moore were UDFAs and O'Shaughnessey was a guy acquired via trade.

The concerns about losing guys are overblown year after year. Most teams are worried about their own 90-man guys and largely interested in keeping as many of them as they can on their 53 and practice squads. They'd rather work with guys they've been working with than someone new. Teams also generally have the pulse on which of their guys are desirable around the league and which they can sneak through waivers. Around the league there were only 33 waiver claims this year, so the Pats losing 1 player is almost exactly average.
The media-driven narrative is that the team is moorless and that Belichick has lost his fastball. I'd prefer that the "woe is us" talk stay within the "Expectations" thread, but what can you do.

When they don't sign any good players, we hear about how cheap the team is. Then we do, and we hear about how they have to throw money at guys because they drafted poorly (certainly that's partly true).

If they had guys claimed, we'd hear about how Belichick cut the wrong guys. Only one guy claimed, and the narrative is that nobody wants Pats castoffs.

Pitino was right.
 

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If NE doesn't win a playoff game this season it will be the first time since 95 they went 4 seasons without a playoff victory.
Obviously a long way to go but the odds certainly aren't in their favor at this point.
 

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Not quite as bleak if Mac develops into a top 15-20 QB and OL figures it out. That hides a lot.
Maybe I’m overrating the current version of Mac Jones, but this sort of where I have him already.

Seems to me this team needs a significant jump from that point (borderline top 10?) to be a playoff contender. I don’t think Mac simply not being bottom 3rd of the league is going to be enough to carry this team anywhere.

I hope either I’m wrong about that or that Mac does make that next leap.
 

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This stat is bullshit given how closely clustered the teams are.
Yeah--Pats cut Hoyer, Folk, Slater, and Cody Davis and replace with young kids (backup QB, a PK and 2 ST guys) and the age drops to basically league average.

I mean, you can say the same for all teams, but Pats value some experience on STs.
 

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Yeah--Pats cut Hoyer, Folk, Slater, and Cody Davis and replace with young kids (backup QB, a PK and 2 ST guys) and the age drops to basically league average.

I mean, you can say the same for all teams, but Pats value some experience on STs.
It would be interesting to see what like the middle 47 is, after you drop the top and bottom 3. Probably isn't a hell of a lot of difference between teams.