Pats select Western Kentucky QB Bailey Zappe at 137

[Van Everyman]

Last season I was 100% on team Mac >>>> Zappe. It's now time to admit being wrong.

I'm still not very high on Zappe, but for all of his faults he's a more fluid athlete who steps into his throws.

Zappe is playing like a guy who has nothing to lose. Thats why he makes throws like that awesome 4th down TD throw to Henry that got called back. But it’s also why he makes that absolutely hideous throw to whoever that Chiefs player was covering where no one was remotely open at any point.

Mac didn’t have the luxury to play free and easy. He increasingly played like he had the weight of the world on his back and it eventually came crashing down on him.

Comparing the two is understandable but not very instructive.

 

[Ralphwiggum]

If either guy is the starter next year I am going to puke.

 

[P'tucket rhymes with...]

Zappe is playing like a guy who has nothing to lose. Thats why he makes throws like that awesome 4th down TD throw to Henry that got called back. But it’s also why he makes that absolutely hideous throw to whoever that Chiefs player was covering where no one was remotely open at any point.

Mac didn’t have the luxury to play free and easy. He increasingly played like he had the weight of the world on his back and it eventually came crashing down on him.

Comparing the two is understandable but not very instructive.

I dunno, "one QB can get out of his own head and the other can't" seems like a pretty relevant comparison.

 

[NextBigThing8184]

Zappe clearly isn’t starting material and I really hope he isn’t the “bridge” to whomever comes next. That said, after having seen a whole lot of bad QB play and backups/3rd stringers play around the league this year i think it’s reasonable to say he’s a top 64 QB and belongs in the league. He’s in the lower part of that range but there aren’t even 25 good QB’s in the league let alone 50 decent ones. And once you get into that 45-64 range it’s all some variation of pretty bad. At least Zappe seems to play with confidence and has some glimmer of upside.

the thing that should be obvious to anyone who has watched a lot of NFL this year is that backup QB’s can look really good for half a game here or a full game there and then mind bogglingly bad for stretches too. It was only a month or so ago Josh Dobbs was being talked up and then he plummeted back to reality. There aren’t many “steady” backup QB’s who are just consistently a little below starter level. Brissett seems to fit that mold - never really shines but less frequently implodes, but he’s more of the exception these days. A Zappe or Mullens type that can give you alternating good and awful drives is probably the best you can hope for in a backup QB

 

[tims4wins]

Zappe clearly isn’t starting material and I really hope he isn’t the “bridge” to whomever comes next. That said, after having seen a whole lot of bad QB play and backups/3rd stringers play around the league this year i think it’s reasonable to say he’s a top 64 QB and belongs in the league. He’s in the lower part of that range but there aren’t even 25 good QB’s in the league let alone 50 decent ones. And once you get into that 45-64 range it’s all some variation of pretty bad. At least Zappe seems to play with confidence and has some glimmer of upside.

the thing that should be obvious to anyone who has watched a lot of NFL this year is that backup QB’s can look really good for half a game here or a full game there and then mind bogglingly bad for stretches too. It was only a month or so ago Josh Dobbs was being talked up and then he plummeted back to reality. There aren’t many “steady” backup QB’s who are just consistently a little below starter level. Brissett seems to fit that mold - never really shines but less frequently implodes, but he’s more of the exception these days. A Zappe or Mullens type that can give you alternating good and awful drives is probably the best you can hope for in a backup QB

This all feels right to me, and it's not just a this year thing - that is pretty much the definition of an NFL backup. They can come in, sometimes look good for a month, and then they fall back to reality. I agree with your assessment of Zappe. He's probably a top 64 QB on the planet (at least in terms of guys who are eligible to play in the NFL), and he's probably in that bottom half of backups. But in BB vernacular, he can play in the NFL. He's like Damon Huard or something.

 

[lexrageorge]

This all feels right to me, and it's not just a this year thing - that is pretty much the definition of an NFL backup. They can come in, sometimes look good for a month, and then they fall back to reality. I agree with your assessment of Zappe. He's probably a top 64 QB on the planet (at least in terms of guys who are eligible to play in the NFL), and he's probably in that bottom half of backups. But in BB vernacular, he can play in the NFL. He's like Damon Huard or something.

I think this nails it. Zappe is a competent short term backup, around whom the team's coaches can devise a game plan and feel reasonably confident it will be executed properly. A Zappe-led team will not beat Mahomes, the 49ers, or other top teams in the league. But the team will at least not be embarrassed.

Of course, defenses will learn more about Zappe as they get more game film. He is not someone you want to go into the season with as your #1.

 

[DJnVa]

Zappe clearly isn’t starting material and I really hope he isn’t the “bridge” to whomever comes next

If the Pats draft a QB early, then I don't think both Mac and Zappe can be here next season. I'd see Mac getting dealt on draft day for something and Zappe hanging around, especially if BoB is still here, because he knows the offense. I don't really want either guy mentoring Maye or Daniels or Williams, but if one is gonna be here for that kind of role, I would assume it's Zappe.

 

[joe dokes]

Zappe clearly isn’t starting material and I really hope he isn’t the “bridge” to whomever comes next. That said, after having seen a whole lot of bad QB play and backups/3rd stringers play around the league this year i think it’s reasonable to say he’s a top 64 QB and belongs in the league. He’s in the lower part of that range but there aren’t even 25 good QB’s in the league let alone 50 decent ones. And once you get into that 45-64 range it’s all some variation of pretty bad. At least Zappe seems to play with confidence and has some glimmer of upside.

the thing that should be obvious to anyone who has watched a lot of NFL this year is that backup QB’s can look really good for half a game here or a full game there and then mind bogglingly bad for stretches too. It was only a month or so ago Josh Dobbs was being talked up and then he plummeted back to reality. There aren’t many “steady” backup QB’s who are just consistently a little below starter level. Brissett seems to fit that mold - never really shines but less frequently implodes, but he’s more of the exception these days. A Zappe or Mullens type that can give you alternating good and awful drives is probably the best you can hope for in a backup QB

Those first two games on Saturday put me firmly in this camp.

I think the second paragraph hits at a larger truth. *Everybody* in the NFL has some talent/skills. The difference among the successes, has-beens and never-wases is the consistency with which they can deliver the goods -- both play-to-play and game-to-game.

 

[DJnVa]

Last 2 games:

1st half: 31/40, 337 yards, 4/0 TD/INT, 135.1 rating
2nd half: 11/19, 83 yards, 0/2 TD/INT, 29.0 rating

That's just amazing.

 

[AlNipper49]

If the Pats draft a QB early, then I don't think both Mac and Zappe can be here next season. I'd see Mac getting dealt on draft day for something and Zappe hanging around, especially if BoB is still here, because he knows the offense. I don't really want either guy mentoring Maye or Daniels or Williams, but if one is gonna be here for that kind of role, I would assume it's Zappe.

This is admittedly insane but if we get Williams I’d be OK bringing in Cam. He sucks, but so are all of the other options and he was nothing but a world-class citizen while he was here.

 

[Njal]

Serious question from a casual fan. Quarterbacks sometimes take a while to develop, and Zappe has had only 3 starts. He's shown some flashes but made some dumb plays. How are people so sure he won't develop with more experience? Like, maybe he becomes an average starting quarterback with a season of starts?

I am not saying I think it's super likely, but given what I've seen it doesn't seem entirely out of the question either. Honestly, the sheer stupidity of some of the interceptions makes me think they could potentially be trained out of him.

 

[Jimbodandy]

Serious question from a casual fan. Quarterbacks sometimes take a while to develop, and Zappe has had only 3 starts. He's shown some flashes but made some dumb plays. How are people so sure he won't develop with more experience? Like, maybe he becomes an average starting quarterback with a season of starts?

I am not saying I think it's super likely, but given what I've seen it doesn't seem entirely out of the question either. Honestly, the sheer stupidity of some of the interceptions makes me think they could potentially be trained out of him.

A QB can learn to make better decisions, to be more accurate, and to develop his arm strength. Trying to do all three at the NFL level is pretty close to impossible. Guy would have to get all sorts of reps and a couple of 5-12 seasons, and even then he might end up average after much improvement. It's not worth chasing really. Just not enough skills to build on.

 

[NomarsFool]

So, here's a question, if the Pats draft one of the top 3 QBs, what should their plan be for next season? Does that QB actually start? How often do rookies actually perform relatively well? In our most recent situation, I actually thought Mac did okay as a rookie (at least for the first half of that season). But, it seems like that is not usually the case.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Last 2 games:

1st half: 31/40, 337 yards, 4/0 TD/INT, 135.1 rating
2nd half: 11/19, 83 yards, 0/2 TD/INT, 29.0 rating

That's just amazing.

We have been looking at this all wrong. Zappe is a platoon QB!

The plan:

1. Keep BB
2. Trade Mac to the top Ford dealership in Jacksonville for an electric F150
3. Keep Zappe
4. Draft a D3 DB in the first round
5. Draft an obscure QB in a later round whose splits show improvement in the second half.
6. Start Zappe in the first half and Obscure QB in the second half of each game all the way to the Superbowl.
7. Get ready for the next 'ship!

 

[Trapaholic]

Last 2 games:

1st half: 31/40, 337 yards, 4/0 TD/INT, 135.1 rating
2nd half: 11/19, 83 yards, 0/2 TD/INT, 29.0 rating

That's just amazing.

The Patriots can simply use Zappe as the opener. Now we just need to find a "bulk" QB, and a closer for the 4th quarter.

 

[RoDaddy]

Serious question from a casual fan. Quarterbacks sometimes take a while to develop, and Zappe has had only 3 starts. He's shown some flashes but made some dumb plays. How are people so sure he won't develop with more experience? Like, maybe he becomes an average starting quarterback with a season of starts?

I am not saying I think it's super likely, but given what I've seen it doesn't seem entirely out of the question either. Honestly, the sheer stupidity of some of the interceptions makes me think they could potentially be trained out of him.

This where I am. There's no doubt the guy doesn't have much of a ceiling but could he be an average - or bottom of the average range - starting QB in this league? I think it's possible. They used to say it takes 3 years to develop a QB and as you say, Zappe is being mostly dismissed after only 3 starts

 

[Arroyoyo]

Serious question from a casual fan. Quarterbacks sometimes take a while to develop, and Zappe has had only 3 starts. He's shown some flashes but made some dumb plays. How are people so sure he won't develop with more experience? Like, maybe he becomes an average starting quarterback with a season of starts?

I am not saying I think it's super likely, but given what I've seen it doesn't seem entirely out of the question either. Honestly, the sheer stupidity of some of the interceptions makes me think they could potentially be trained out of him.

I doubt he has the talent to really lead a team into contention, but I’ve had similar thoughts to yours here. It’s interesting to see people be so short tempered with him when I’d be willing to bet some of the same people, one year ago or so, argued Mac needed more time to develop, his o-line sucked, and/or his coaches sucked, which is why he sucked, after, like, two seasons of football.

There’s almost certainly overlap between the people that said just 12 weeks ago that Mac hasn’t had “X, Y, Z” necessary to succeed and the people, after three starts, saying “oh, yeah, well Zappe has no real future.”

Do I think he’s going to be great? No. But that’s hardly a hot take when ~99% of the guys that have ever taken a snap in NFL history don’t become “great.” I want them to draft a QB high this offseason. But if they give Zappe a shot next year, at least there’s some level of hope associated with that type of move. There’s zero hope with Mac behind center.

 

[Garshaparra]

There's also the issue of lesser physical gifts. Zappe is listed at 6'1", but is likely an inch or two shorter. In yesterday's Chiefs game, they seemed to have a lot of success batting balls at the line. Same guy, same skills, with 3-4 more inches of height, and he'd likely be much more successful.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

Zappe is playing like a guy who has nothing to lose. Thats why he makes throws like that awesome 4th down TD throw to Henry that got called back. But it’s also why he makes that absolutely hideous throw to whoever that Chiefs player was covering where no one was remotely open at any point.

Mac didn’t have the luxury to play free and easy. He increasingly played like he had the weight of the world on his back and it eventually came crashing down on him.

Comparing the two is understandable but not very instructive.

In some ways it is instructive. Mac, for example, could not or would not work on improving his mechanics. That made his mediocre arm play worse than it was. Zappe, if nothing else, doesn't do that.

If either guy is the starter next year I am going to puke.

Fair.

 

[Cellar-Door]

In some ways it is instructive. Mac, for example, could not or would not work on improving his mechanics. That made his mediocre arm play worse than it was. Zappe, if nothing else, doesn't do that.

Fair.

I think Mac's issue is less that he doesn't work on his mechanics than that he can't translate it to games. He just panics

 

[Van Everyman]

I think Mac's issue is less that he doesn't work on his mechanics than that he can't translate it to games. He just panics

He’s admitted as much about the mechanics.

 

[Jinhocho]

Fwiw I think if Bill is back we get a left tackle and Kirk cousins.

 

[NomarsFool]

I think it’s an absolute lock the Patriots draft a QB in the first three rounds, and almost certainly top 2.

The question is, does BB being in a veteran QB to compete for the starting job, or not? I’m sure most posters on this board would say they should, but BB didn’t this season. I can’t remember, was Hoyer on the roster last season?

 

[Over Guapo Grande]

The question is, does BB being in a veteran QB to compete for the starting job, or not? I’m sure most posters on this board would say they should, but BB didn’t this season. I can’t remember, was Hoyer on the roster last season?

He was. Until he got concussed in the GB game, leading to Zappe-mania

 

[NomarsFool]

And Mac’s first year was Cam on the roster or was that still Stidham?

 

[MuppetAsteriskTalk]

And Mac’s first year was Cam on the roster or was that still Stidham?

I think Cam was cut at the end of the preseason.

 

[Over Guapo Grande]

Mac beat out Cam in training camp.

 

[jk333]

And Mac’s first year was Cam on the roster or was that still Stidham?

In 2020 Stidham was going to be the starting qb until they signed Cam. Cam won the starter job and Hoyer was the backup. Stidham was 3rd qb who got into some games but never started.

In 2021 they drafted Mac and he beat out Cam to be starter. They released Cam and Hoyer was the backup.

In 2022 Mac went into the year as the starter and Hoyer the backup with Zappe as 3rd qb. Zappe took over as backup qb when Hoyer was concussed in game 4.

In 2023 Mac went into the year as a starter and there was no backup. Zappe eventually came back into the role once the regular season started.

That’s my recollection anyway. Open to edits or additional information.

 

[JimD]

Watching Pats fans reacting to Bailey Zappe the past couple of weeks reminds me of the Eddie Murphy routine about giving a starving man a cracker:

View: https://youtu.be/wRXq8TKq-a8?si=kqoff-hUSZq1NrlV


Eddie Murphy - Best cracker

 

[richgedman'sghost]

I think it’s an absolute lock the Patriots draft a QB in the first three rounds, and almost certainly top 2.

The question is, does BB being in a veteran QB to compete for the starting job, or not? I’m sure most posters on this board would say they should, but BB didn’t this season. I can’t remember, was Hoyer on the roster last season?

This question is easily goggleable or easily researched if people would take the time to do it. It took less than 5 seconds for me to do it.

 

[Deathofthebambino]

So, here's a question, if the Pats draft one of the top 3 QBs, what should their plan be for next season? Does that QB actually start? How often do rookies actually perform relatively well? In our most recent situation, I actually thought Mac did okay as a rookie (at least for the first half of that season). But, it seems like that is not usually the case.

Rookie performance in the NFL at the QB position, almost always comes down to who/what is around them, IMO. I've done this analysis more times than I can count around here, but look at Josh Allen's 1st couple of seasons, Hurts' first couple of seasons, Tua's first couple of seasons, Trevor Lawrence, etc. Even Joe Burrow's first 10 starts as a rookie, when the coaching staff was still running the corpse of AJ Green out there instead of Tyler Boyd, Mixon was hurt and Burrow struggled. That offseason, Mixon got healthy, they drafted Chase, dumped Green and gave the #2/#3 reps to Higgins and Boyd, and he lit the world on fire. Jared Goff went 0-7 as a rookie, that offseason, they went and got McVay, along with Kupp, and Robert Woods, made a commitment to running the ball with Gurley (coming off injury) and they went from 4-12 to 11-5 in one season.

Meanwhile, you have guys like Mahomes and Purdy that stepped into all world situations.


There are very few Russell Wilson's who come into the league as a rookie and light it up on an ok team (Seattle was 7-9 the year before he got there, but they did have some talent).

Zappe is dealing with the same shit as Mac did, it's a bad system, bad coaching, bad players around them. There was no chance for success with this structure the last two seasons in New England.

 

[lexrageorge]

Rookie performance in the NFL at the QB position, almost always comes down to who/what is around them, IMO. I've done this analysis more times than I can count around here, but look at Josh Allen's 1st couple of seasons, Hurts' first couple of seasons, Tua's first couple of seasons, Trevor Lawrence, etc. Even Joe Burrow's first 10 starts as a rookie, when the coaching staff was still running the corpse of AJ Green out there instead of Tyler Boyd, Mixon was hurt and Burrow struggled. That offseason, Mixon got healthy, they drafted Chase, dumped Green and gave the #2/#3 reps to Higgins and Boyd, and he lit the world on fire. Jared Goff went 0-7 as a rookie, that offseason, they went and got McVay, along with Kupp, and Robert Woods, made a commitment to running the ball with Gurley (coming off injury) and they went from 4-12 to 11-5 in one season.

Meanwhile, you have guys like Mahomes and Purdy that stepped into all world situations.


There are very few Russell Wilson's who come into the league as a rookie and light it up on an ok team (Seattle was 7-9 the year before he got there, but they did have some talent).

Zappe is dealing with the same shit as Mac did, it's a bad system, bad coaching, bad players around them. There was no chance for success with this structure the last two seasons in New England.

It’s not a coaching issue. The wide receivers aside from Douglas are truly bad, Henry is a JAG at tight end, and the OL has been dealing with major injury issues. Mac sucks because he sucks, not because Bill O’Brien forgot how to coach.

 

[Jimbodandy]

Fwiw I think if Bill is back we get a left tackle and Kirk cousins.

There's nothing stopping them from drafting a top QB, a top LT, a top WR, and getting Kirk Cousins. LFG.

 

[Dogman]

Kirk Cousins will cost $40M, will be retuning from a ruptured Achilles, and won't be here long. Why waste the money on him?

Offer Mike Evans and Tee Higgins 2-3 year deals, bring back Zeke. Bring in Minshew, Lock, or Mayfield. Keep Zappe. Look at Jonah Williams or Elumenour at OT. Re-sign Henry and add Dalton Shultz.

Draft QB, OT, WR, OT, RB, CB/S. TE.

Keep BB.

 

[Deathofthebambino]

It’s not a coaching issue. The wide receivers aside from Douglas are truly bad, Henry is a JAG at tight end, and the OL has been dealing with major injury issues. Mac sucks because he sucks, not because Bill O’Brien forgot how to coach.

If I was discussing QB's in their rookie and 2nd season, why would I be talking about Bill O'Brien with respect to Mac and Zappe? They both suck, but coaching in a young quarterbacks early seasons matters, a lot. Ask Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts, Tua...

If folks don't think both Mac and Zappe were let down by their coaching staffs last year, in addition to their GM putting a pile of shit around them, we can agree to disagree.

 

[Deathofthebambino]

Kirk Cousins will cost $40M, will be retuning from a ruptured Achilles, and won't be here long. Why waste the money on him?

Offer Mike Evans and Tee Higgins 2-3 year deals, bring back Zeke. Bring in Minshew, Lock, or Mayfield. Keep Zappe. Look at Jonah Williams or Elumenour at OT. Re-sign Henry and add Dalton Shultz.

Draft QB, OT, WR, OT, RB, CB/S. TE.

Keep BB.

Player A: 32-23, 69.27% completion%, 115tds, 31ints, 105.8 QBR, 7.89 Y/A, 8.36 AY/A,

Player B: 43-41-2, 65.38% completion%, 138tds, 70ints, 93.2QBR, 7.41 Y/A, 7.2 AY/A.


Player A is Kirk Cousins.






Player B is Kirk Cousins when he plays outside.

And all of this is with guys like Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson, Theilen, Diggs, Dalvin Cook, DeSean Jackson...

No thank you.

 

[bsj]

So, here's a question, if the Pats draft one of the top 3 QBs, what should their plan be for next season? Does that QB actually start? How often do rookies actually perform relatively well? In our most recent situation, I actually thought Mac did okay as a rookie (at least for the first half of that season). But, it seems like that is not usually the case.

• Draft a top QB.
• Sign a fading veteran on a 1 year deal who will start the season as starter, but will know up front he's there to guide the new guy as much as be qb, and there is a strong likelihood you hand the gig off to the new guy before the season is over
• See if you can stash zappe as the 3rd stringer if you like, i think he can be a legit backup down the road, but I think we need better to start next season

Honestly, Jimmy G is who I had in mind when I wrote the above.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Cousins isn't going to be interested in coming here is my read. He's likely staying in MIN

 

[lexrageorge]

• Draft a top QB.
• Sign a fading veteran on a 1 year deal who will start the season as starter, but will know up front he's there to guide the new guy as much as be qb, and there is a strong likelihood you hand the gig off to the new guy before the season is over
• See if you can stash zappe as the 3rd stringer if you like, i think he can be a legit backup down the road, but I think we need better to start next season

Honestly, Jimmy G is who I had in mind when I wrote the above.

Jimmy G is washed. Would not be surprised if he retires; those injuries have had their toll.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Kirk Cousins will cost $40M, will be retuning from a ruptured Achilles, and won't be here long. Why waste the money on him?

Offer Mike Evans and Tee Higgins 2-3 year deals, bring back Zeke. Bring in Minshew, Lock, or Mayfield. Keep Zappe. Look at Jonah Williams or Elumenour at OT. Re-sign Henry and add Dalton Shultz.

Draft QB, OT, WR, OT, RB, CB/S. TE.

Keep BB.

Sign me up

 

[Jimbodandy]

Kirk Cousins will cost $40M, will be retuning from a ruptured Achilles, and won't be here long. Why waste the money on him?

Offer Mike Evans and Tee Higgins 2-3 year deals, bring back Zeke. Bring in Minshew, Lock, or Mayfield. Keep Zappe. Look at Jonah Williams or Elumenour at OT. Re-sign Henry and add Dalton Shultz.

Draft QB, OT, WR, OT, RB, CB/S. TE.

Keep BB.

Word up.

FWIW, I'd make that RB a LB maybe and grab RB from UDFA/cheap UFA. But from your lips to God's ears basically. FA & proper draft, LFG.

 

[Bongorific]

Kirk Cousins will cost $40M, will be retuning from a ruptured Achilles, and won't be here long. Why waste the money on him?

Offer Mike Evans and Tee Higgins 2-3 year deals, bring back Zeke. Bring in Minshew, Lock, or Mayfield. Keep Zappe. Look at Jonah Williams or Elumenour at OT. Re-sign Henry and add Dalton Shultz.

Draft QB, OT, WR, OT, RB, CB/S. TE.

Keep BB.

Why is Tee Higgins signing a 2-3 year contract?

 

[Jimbodandy]

Why is Tee Higgins signing a 2-3 year contract?

Had a meh year, and maybe the AAV/bonus of a short deal might be worth his while?

 

[OldeBeanTowne]

Word up.

FWIW, I'd make that RB a LB maybe and grab RB from UDFA/cheap UFA. But from your lips to God's ears basically. FA & proper draft, LFG.

Seconded. This would be round about my approach as well. Unless they aren't sold on any of the top three QBs of course.

 

[Ferm Sheller]

Seconded. This would be round about my approach as well. Unless they aren't sold on any of the top three QBs of course.

The way they draft offensive players, if they’re not sold on one of the top three QBs they should definitely take one.

They should do what George Costanza did in the Seinfeld episode in which everything he did was against his best judgment.

 

[rodderick]

Kirk Cousins will cost $40M, will be retuning from a ruptured Achilles, and won't be here long. Why waste the money on him?

Offer Mike Evans and Tee Higgins 2-3 year deals, bring back Zeke. Bring in Minshew, Lock, or Mayfield. Keep Zappe. Look at Jonah Williams or Elumenour at OT. Re-sign Henry and add Dalton Shultz.

Draft QB, OT, WR, OT, RB, CB/S. TE.

Keep BB.

While I think this is a viable off-season plan to improve this team, Gardner Minshew throwing to Tee Higgins and Mike Evans in this system protected by those tackles has the makings of a 7/8 win team at best. Now, if we're grabbing a QB at 2 with the possibility of him earning the starting job at camp then I'm likely in, even though I'd much rather have a modern offensive mind at HC bringing him up to speed.

 

[Jimbodandy]

While I think this is a viable off-season plan to improve this team, Gardner Minshew throwing to Tee Higgins and Mike Evans in this system protected by those tackles has the makings of a 7/8 win team at best. Now, if we're grabbing a QB at 2 with the possibility of him earning the starting job at camp then I'm likely in, even though I'd much rather have a modern offensive mind at HC bringing him up to speed.

I think that you misread Dogman's post. Tough to judge two tackles that haven't been drafted yet, and there's a QB at the top of DM's draft list.

Unless the purpose of your post is "I hate Belichick", which if true, please continue.

 

[Salem's Lot]

Fwiw I think if Bill is back we get a left tackle and Kirk cousins.

If Bill is still in charge, I doubt he pays the $40 million it would take to sign Kirk Cousins. I honestly have my doubts if he would ever pay a QB (or any player) that much money.

 

[lexrageorge]

If Bill is still in charge, I doubt he pays the $40 million it would take to sign Kirk Cousins. I honestly have my doubts if he would ever pay a QB (or any player) that much money.

Seems like a reason to keep Bill. Not at all convinced that paying $40M for a 36 year old Kirk Cousins coming off a major injury is the right move for this franchise, short or long term.

 

[rodderick]

I think that you misread Dogman's post. Tough to judge two tackles that haven't been drafted yet, and there's a QB at the top of DM's draft list.

Unless the purpose of your post is "I hate Belichick", which if true, please continue.

If they're grabbing a QB at 2 sorry if I'm not penciling in mid round tackles as an upgrade over what they have under contract for 2024 at those spots. And the purpose of my post was to comment on his suggestion, I would think SoSH of all places would be better than reacting to a preference for moving on from Belichick with pearl clutching like children, but alas.