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They cut Garrett Gilbert earlier in the day.
They cut Garrett Gilbert earlier in the day.
Pats sign Matt Flynn
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Yes, it is. Just more of a vet presence behind Jimmy G in case Brady does miss time.DrewDawg said:
Assuming he claimed pay in 2014, they can release him at any point and not be on the hook for any guaranteed money? That's a nice feature.NortheasternPJ said:
I don't feel this is the case at all especially after Jimmy G's 5 INT performance one day at last weeks OTA's. There is an open competition for those starts if Brady is out (I'm not convinced he will miss games but that's another story).RedOctober3829 said:
I wonder whether this is another chapter in the "Belichick never forgets those who play well against him" book.
Dec. 19, 2010, the Pats squeaked by the Rodgers-less Packers (the Dan Connolly crazy kick return game). Flynn was 24/37 for 251 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT.
Dec. 19, 2010, the Pats squeaked by the Rodgers-less Packers (the Dan Connolly crazy kick return game). Flynn was 24/37 for 251 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT.
HomeRunBaker said:
Signing Flynn has everything to do with Garrett Gilbert's performances in OTAs and zero to do with JG's performances.
Having a "viable" starter lower on the depth chart to prove to JG that he isn't winning the job because there's literally no other option (and Gilbert qualified as that) is probably good. But the chance Flynn "beats" JG to the starting job is so low as to not be worth discussing. JG would need to throw an interception on every single pass for four straight preseason games to lose out to Flynn.
I mean of course there always is competition but the job is clearly Jimmy's to lose. You always want to create competition. However, I wouldn't take one bad day at OTAs to mean that he's lost all confidence of the coaching staff and that Flynn is the guy. He'd have to be really bad in training camp to not warrant getting those 4 starts.HomeRunBaker said:
No doubt he's insurance in case Brady misses games, but I think it also opens up the opportunity to deal Garoppolo if there's a good deal out there after that stretch, such as for a very good corner.
I don't take it that BB has lost faith in Jimmy being the future QB however that is far different to having him ready Week One in 2015. Again I doubt it's 4 games or even 2 but Jimmy I doubt he is guaranteed of anything that his Pre-season performance doesn't warrant.RedOctober3829 said:
I think HRB owes you some thanks for leapfrogging his post in the most unlikely category.RoDaddy said:
Guys, Matt Flynn has been dogshit for the last 3 years. He is nowhere near the talent of Jimmy G, has proven he can't lead a team, and the chances of him starting games over Jimmy G are near nil.
It's bad enough that espn and the rest of the media has given any coverage whatsoever to the FIVE INTERCEPTIONS of Jimmy G - in OTAs, for the love of all that is holy. That SOSH posters are buying into it for even a millisecond is seriously disheartening.
Edit: punctuation and emphasis
Edit: punctuation and emphasis
Buying into what? He threw nearly 20% of his passes into the arms of the defense. Brady threw 0. That isn't buying into a story it really happened. Does it mean anything? I dunno. I'd feel a lot better about him starting an NFL game in 12 weeks had he not.Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:
It means a minuscule amount. He had a poor last part of practice during effing OTAs. It tells us practically nothing about him whatsoever. It's asinine to think we signed Matt Flynn due even in some small measure to Jimmy having one rough practice in a teaching camp.
With Gilbert gone, there is one less.soxfan121 said:
When only a few are left, Bethel-Thompson will feel an irresistible pull towards a far away land.
To fight for the prize.
It's foolish to believe that 5 INTs in an OTA drive this move.
However, it's also foolish to have any faith in Jimmy G as an NFL starting QB for potentially 4 games beginning 3 months from now. Hope, yes. Faith, no.
What has this guy ever done in a professional game that counted for something? The college career counts for nothing at this point. It's entirely possible that he shits the bed in 3 months because he simply is not ready. That is behind the signing too, I think. Signing somebody who has demonstrated he can play at this level made sense all along.
However, it's also foolish to have any faith in Jimmy G as an NFL starting QB for potentially 4 games beginning 3 months from now. Hope, yes. Faith, no.
What has this guy ever done in a professional game that counted for something? The college career counts for nothing at this point. It's entirely possible that he shits the bed in 3 months because he simply is not ready. That is behind the signing too, I think. Signing somebody who has demonstrated he can play at this level made sense all along.
This reminds me a little of the Julio Lugo signing and the acquisition of every other player who did particularly well against the local entrants but wasn't actually a good player.
Flynn's performance on that Sunday night against the Pats was pretty special.
Were there better options available for this role?
Flynn's performance on that Sunday night against the Pats was pretty special.
Were there better options available for this role?
TheoShmeo said:
Unlikely, especially when considering the cost. Veteran backup QBs generally cost multi millions of dollars, and their salaries get guaranteed if they are on the roster week 1. Neither of those apply to Flynn. I think it was a perfect signing given the circumstances. And if Brady is cleared of his suspension in court, I suspect Flynn will be cut.
Stitch01 said:
I think this is overboard. He last had the chance to start at the end of 2013 after Rodgers got hurt. He started 5 games. The Pack went 2-2-1 in those games. Flynn completed 61.4% of his passes, 6.90 YPA, 7 TD, 4 INT, 86.1 passer rating. Those numbers aren't great, but they are certainly passable.
As a comp, Matt Cassel in 2008 was 63.4%, 21 TD, 11 INT, 7.16 YPA, 89.4 rating. Pretty similar.
Is it because he was only successful in GB or that it's something about his game?
If the former, I think it's fair that his sample size in other places is not huge and I'm not sure there's enough evidence to conclude that he can't play anywhere else.
There being something about the GB system that suits his game would be another story.
And here's to this being among the most academic conversations in history.
If the former, I think it's fair that his sample size in other places is not huge and I'm not sure there's enough evidence to conclude that he can't play anywhere else.
There being something about the GB system that suits his game would be another story.
And here's to this being among the most academic conversations in history.
He couldn't beat out Terrell Pryor, Matt McGloin and Jeff Tuel, among other immortals. I'm not sure if there's much of a sample size issue.
Kenneycb, you may be right but Stich's claim was that if Flynn ran the Packers' system, he'd probably be fine. I was just trying to understand that comment a little more.
Ed, I don't think the Pats are toast if they get to Flynn. If Brady is suspended for 1-4 games, Flynn is likely the number 2 for that period. Suffering Flynn for as many as 4 games and getting Tom back for the remainder is not a doomsday scenario.
Ed, I don't think the Pats are toast if they get to Flynn. If Brady is suspended for 1-4 games, Flynn is likely the number 2 for that period. Suffering Flynn for as many as 4 games and getting Tom back for the remainder is not a doomsday scenario.
Flynn is their disaster planning QB: Brady's suspension is upheld for the full 4 games, and Jimmy G either sucks or gets hurt. In that scenario, Flynn is likely better than any other option that's available at this point. Dumping multiple millions of dollars of valuable cap space on a guy that would likely be your #3 QB would be stupid. Worrying about JG's 5 interceptions in an OTA scrimmage is dumb. Signing Flynn is neither dumb nor stupid.
And in that disaster scenario, you hope that the talent on the defense, OL, running game, and TE allows Flynn to game manage his way to a 2-2 record. That is not an outrageous assumption either.
And in that disaster scenario, you hope that the talent on the defense, OL, running game, and TE allows Flynn to game manage his way to a 2-2 record. That is not an outrageous assumption either.
he seems to do OK in GB with their players and whatever they are running. Elsewhere he went in twice as a presumptive starter and didnt make it through camp and couldnt beat out scrubs in Oakland or BuffaloTheoShmeo said:
He's disaster planning, so whatever, but if he has to start 4 games Id sign up for 1-3 right now in a cocaine heartbeat.
Reasonably good chance he gets cut before we get that far and several things still would need to happen before he matters, so want to make sure I dont come across as thinking this is a big deal. its not, he's the third string QB, but if he plays Pats probably wont have the best team on the field.
Flynn joining Pats is yet another good excuse to post one of my all-time favorite Patriots plays:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0BZW478tCQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0BZW478tCQ