It's an absolute joke that Smoltz gets more than three times the votes Mussina got.
But it is what it is.
But it is what it is.
I listened to Boomer Esiason make this exact argument on my drive to work this morning. "216 wins...I don't know...".Detts said:
Duh. He doesn't have 300 wins.
C4CRVT said:Aaron Boone (Career WAR below 10)
Doug Beerabelli said:Trammel and Jeter have similar numbers, more longevity for Jetes, more WS rings, worse defensively. 25.1% of the vote for Trammel, while lots of talk Jeter as unanimous election. Baseball Reference page for all time JAWS leaders for SS:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_SS.shtml
EDIT: to correct Trammel's vote %
moondog80 said:
Raines +8.9%
Minneapolis Millers said:Esiason has a point. 216 wins are only 41 more than Koufax.
foulkehampshire said:I don't get Smoltz over Schilling. Career work is pretty similar, but Schilling had a better peak and has 3 rings.
Personality bias?
I sincerely hope they eliminate the rule of 10. It's arbitrary and causes decisions like the one Olney made this year. My ballot would have had 19 guys on it, all of which I feel I could make compelling arguments about.Ed Hillel said:Schilling is going to be interesting to watch as this goes on, especially if they start letting voters vote for more players.
E5 Yaz said:
He might be a lock to get in through the Veterans Committee
soxhop411 said:
Michael Silverman @MikeSilvermanBB 2m2 minutes ago
In case you were wondering, LaVelle E. Neal III and George King did vote for Pedro.
I sincerely hope they eliminate the rule of 10. It's arbitrary and causes decisions like the one Olney made this year. My ballot would have had 19 guys on it, all of which I feel I could make compelling arguments about.
Unless the rule of 10 changes, I suspect next year will be Griffey, Hoffman and Piazza.
soxhop411 said:
Michael Silverman @MikeSilvermanBB 2m2 minutes ago
In case you were wondering, LaVelle E. Neal III and George King did vote for Pedro.
mt8thsw9th said:I think at some point, when someone is getting less than 2% of the vote, the jackasses who cast the ballots for these players should have their ballots sent back and asked nicely to actually give the vote to a deserving candidate. Biggio had to wait a year for no particular reason, and I'm guessing two of his votes could have been found among the morons that gave votes to Jacque Jones, Armando Benitez, Hideo Nomo, JT Snow, and Kenny Rogers.
It's a lot of fun. I've gone every year since '99.JimD said:I've never attended induction weekend in Cooperstown, but I think I have to be there this year.
JimD said:I've never attended induction weekend in Cooperstown, but I think I have to be there this year.
DrewDawg said:
Re: Mattingly, I can't see this at all. He was a good player on bad teams. He had really good numbers but nothing was overwhelming to the point where I would think there will be some groundswell to get him in decades from now.
I never minded the courtesy votes for guys that will never get in provided that it didn't cost someone else their candidacy. Up until a few years ago there weren't 10 hall of famers on each ballot. It's a way for a writer to do something nice for a guy that may have given him a story or two. The opposite probably also happened this year with Pedro and RJ, guys that wanted to get 11 or 12 guys on their ballot may not have voted for those two, knowing they would get in. The rule of 10 is a huge problem now. I'd love to see how many writers submitted full ballots. Number indicate that it was more than 25%.mt8thsw9th said:I think at some point, when someone is getting less than 2% of the vote, the jackasses who cast the ballots for these players should have their ballots sent back and asked nicely to actually give the vote to a deserving candidate. Biggio had to wait a year for no particular reason, and I'm guessing two of his votes could have been found among the morons that gave votes to Jacque Jones, Armando Benitez, Hideo Nomo, JT Snow, and Kenny Rogers.
BoSoxFink said:I bet if you switch their teams for their careers, than Biggio gets all the love Jeter does and Jeter is the guy not getting in right away.
HangingW/ScottCooper said:I never minded the courtesy votes for guys that will never get in provided that it didn't cost someone else their candidacy. Up until a few years ago there weren't 10 hall of famers on each ballot. It's a way for a writer to do something nice for a guy that may have given him a story or two. The opposite probably also happened this year with Pedro and RJ, guys that wanted to get 11 or 12 guys on their ballot may not have voted for those two, knowing they would get in. The rule of 10 is a huge problem now. I'd love to see how many writers submitted full ballots. Number indicate that it was more than 25%.
Hoffman gets in on the 1st ballot because there are no steroid suspicions about him. Add in the run of closers going in over the last 10 years and I'd be shocked if he doesn't get in next year.drleather2001 said:
There's no way, IMO, that voters let Hoffman in on the first year of his eligibility.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:Never mind Erstad, Tom Gordon got TWO votes.
Thanks, I fixed it (by losing those numbers)JohntheBaptist said:
These number are wrong--the vote total came before the name, so you cut off Unit's total and attributed the number to the next guy in the list. Players needed 412 to get in, and as you have it here Biggio reads at 384. Pedro had the 500 vote total, Smoltz 455, etc.
edit--Unit's total was 534. The vote total after each name then is actually for the guy below him.
The Allented Mr Ripley said:Meanwhile, am I the only one who thinks it's a shame that Delgado's off the ballot after his first year of eligibility? He may not be a HOFer, but he put up some beastly numbers for a stretch and you could have a nice debate about his candidacy.
Vinho Tinto said:
Playing in NY isn't always a positive. If they switch teams, Biggio would get a lot more shit for his postseason hitting.
No, but the list of guys not in the Hall of Fame that people think should be in the Hall of Fame will be a lot longer. Someone like Raines will most assuredly get in via the Veterans committee if the writers don't vote him in, but I doubt the same will be true of Clemens and Bonds.drleather2001 said:
I dunno. The guys who deserve to get in will get in, although it might take some of them 5-10 years before it happens. This logjam won't last nearly long enough to consider changing the entire process. I mean, really, in 10 years are there going to still be 6 legit HOFers on the ballot, never mind 11?
Most hotels within 30 minutes were booked months ago.Merkle's Boner said:For those of you thinking about heading up to Cooperstown, you better book it now. It is not a big town and it will be completely swamped that weekend.
The Allented Mr Ripley said:Meanwhile, am I the only one who thinks it's a shame that Delgado's off the ballot after his first year of eligibility? He may not be a HOFer, but he put up some beastly numbers for a stretch and you could have a nice debate about his candidacy.
I assume it will be on redsox.com when it starts?MyDaughterLovesTomGordon said:Anyone have a link for Pedro's press conference? Can't find anything on Nesn or Redsox.com
HangingW/ScottCooper said:I sincerely hope they eliminate the rule of 10. It's arbitrary and causes decisions like the one Olney made this year. My ballot would have had 19 guys on it, all of which I feel I could make compelling arguments about.
Unless the rule of 10 changes, I suspect next year will be Griffey, Hoffman and Piazza.