Pedroia having season ending surgery

[E5 Yaz]

You were ridiculed for thinking that you were more informed about Pedroias likely future performance than major league front offices who would be buying the rest of the contract. Pedroia is, and always has been, more valuable to the Red Sox than any other team. As such, the only logical ex ante expectation is that any realistic trade is going to involve getting less value back than you are giving up. Thus, trading Pedroia while the overwhelming evidence is that he's still earning his contract and more FOR BOSTON, is foolish. And if you think you want to trade even the newly mediocre Pedroia because of some glut of talent in the OF and at 2B, I'm speechless. Rusney Castillo and Mookie Betts are not somehow immune to having a 2015 like JBJ and X have been performing in 2014. Neither Craig nor Victorino is highly likely to be healthy or playing above replacement level, either.

In short, even the 2014 version of Dustin Pedroia is likely to be among the 5 best position players in the Red Sox organization next season. And no team was likely to offer fair value in a trade at any point this season, even if he were fully healthy, which he wasn't.

 

 

[richgedman'sghost]

 

I agree with this sentiment. Be very afraid. I now expect pigs will fly as Plympton91 makes a very valid argument. Dustin will always be more valuable to the Red Sox than to another team. The Red Sox can never expect to get fair value back so it makes no sense to trade him away.

 

[TomRicardo]

I agree with this sentiment. Be very afraid. I now expect pigs will fly as Plympton91 makes a very valid argument. Dustin will always be more valuable to the Red Sox than to another team. The Red Sox can never expect to get fair value back so it makes no sense to trade him away.

 
I am pretty sure it is the sign of the apocalypse.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

You missed the point and are creating a false argument. Whether or not they played second-base or as you list contained players who may have sniffed the position is not the point, at what point did a small player on the wrong side of 30 who plays balls out and now has incurred 3 straight years of wrist/hand injuries is going to expect a drop-off a the plate. (Did I not just predict this about 2 months ago to the chagrin of most here, yes I did.) He's only a few years away from that happening if he had been healthy, surely this will speed up the process. This long term deal is looking worse all the time. Many here probably don't think I like Pedrioa, in fact the opposite is true, the difference to me at least is that I choose to see the obvious writing on the wall. Sure his defense alone is going to help but I wanted to deal him while the perception was that his offense was good or could return. And once again I was widely ridiculed for proposing the unpopular opinion, so be it.

Yes Pedroia is garbage. Yes Pedroia is a bad contract. Yes he's washed up. Happy? I really give someone the benefit of the doubt when they have been so consistent in their careers. Operating with a wrist injury is extremely tough. He's going to be okay. Replacing him with Mookie Betts is not going to solve this problem if Mookie has his "career year" this year. Who is next if he falters to take over 2nd base? Marrero? Xander? If you look at the contracts in baseball this isn't a bad contract at all. Not even close.

 

[seantoo]

You were ridiculed for thinking that you were more informed about Pedroias likely future performance than major league front offices who would be buying the rest of the contract. Pedroia is, and always has been, more valuable to the Red Sox than any other team. As such, the only logical ex ante expectation is that any realistic trade is going to involve getting less value back than you are giving up. Thus, trading Pedroia while the overwhelming evidence is that he's still earning his contract and more FOR BOSTON, is foolish. And if you think you want to trade even the newly mediocre Pedroia because of some glut of talent in the OF and at 2B, I'm speechless. Rusney Castillo and Mookie Betts are not somehow immune to having a 2015 like JBJ and X have been performing in 2014. Neither Craig nor Victorino is highly likely to be healthy or playing above replacement level, either.

In short, even the 2014 version of Dustin Pedroia is likely to be among the 5 best position players in the Red Sox organization next season. And no team was likely to offer fair value in a trade at any point this season, even if he were fully healthy, which he wasn't.

None of this was stated or true. I predicted he'd be likely to be hurt again as small players who play balls out tend to break down more not less especially after incurring two injuries to hands and wrist the past two years and now just a few months after I said it, it happened again, yet many claimed I was a fool for making such claims, well who was right? 
The situation in the OF has changed to some degree and I outlined that and noted the need is not as dire as it once was. I promoted the idea because a lack of talent in the OF and there was nothing on the farm, which BTW is something we have both agreed on but go on and play to the masses by all means. Are you supposed to trade a player whose not earning their contract and expect something of value? Are players who are earning their contract not traded regularly? What scenario makes it "Okay" to trade? Do tell.
 
The obvious one is matching your strength with another teams need, that's what I did.
How can he be so valuable to the Sox yet no other team would offer matching value? Is this a tangibles debate the kind we ridicule Yankee fans for with calming eyes Jeter? I wanted to take advantage of the high value people place on what he was and many here claimed will/would still achieve but you want to have your cake and eat it to, sorry but you can't do that. Talk out of one side or the other.
 
Surely a fairly healthy Pedrioa is going to be among the top 5 positional players in the Sox org. next season, thanks Captain obvious, he'll likely be far better. That is not saying a whole lot as this young team with several more knocking on the door (Swihart, Cecchinni, Castillo, plus several pitchers)  will go through a few years of growing pains and is not likely to seriously contend until at least 2016, ergo the term the next great Red Sox team, meanwhile Pedrioa's value continues to decrease. Why not explore the possibility beforehand rather than wait until it's to late, which I now think it is. I stated from the start I did not want to trade him just cause, but only if we could land a good young player and in five minutes I came up with a central piece to a trade, 26 YO RF lead-off hitter Kole Calhoun (OPS+ of 129 & 130 the past 2 years, which Pedroia has surpassed once) from the Angels and he's hit HR's in 3 straight games during a penant chase. The incumbent at second for the Angels is Kendrick who has 1 more year on his deal at $9.5M.

 

[Stitch01]

John, I was given 1 reason and 1 only, that he was the face of the franchise and it would never happen and I noted that they are traded all the time. The funny thing is everyone states "there was many reason" but never states what one of them actually are. If you repeat something enough the sheeple will follow and believe it to be true and repeat the same phrase even if it was never true.

This is a blatant lie of course.
 
Is this who SOSH picked up in the Eric Van salary dump?

 

[absintheofmalaise]

None of this was stated or true. I predicted he'd be likely to be hurt again as small players who play balls out tend to break down more not less especially after incurring two injuries to hands and wrist the past two years and now just a few months after I said it, it happened again, yet many claimed I was a fool for making such claims, well who was right? 
The situation in the OF has changed to some degree and I outlined that and noted the need is not as dire as it once was. I promoted the idea because a lack of talent in the OF and there was nothing on the farm, which BTW is something we have both agreed on but go on and play to the masses by all means. Are you supposed to trade a player whose not earning their contract and expect something of value? Are players who are earning their contract not traded regularly? What scenario makes it "Okay" to trade? Do tell.
 
The obvious one is matching your strength with another teams need, that's what I did.
How can he be so valuable to the Sox yet no other team would offer matching value? Is this a tangibles debate the kind we ridicule Yankee fans for with calming eyes Jeter? I wanted to take advantage of the high value people place on what he was and many here claimed will/would still achieve but you want to have your cake and eat it to, sorry but you can't do that. Talk out of one side or the other.
 
Surely a fairly healthy Pedrioa is going to be among the top 5 positional players in the Sox org. next season, thanks Captain obvious, he'll likely be far better. That is not saying a whole lot as this young team with several more knocking on the door (Swihart, Cecchinni, Castillo, plus several pitchers)  will go through a few years of growing pains and is not likely to seriously contend until at least 2016, ergo the term the next great Red Sox team, meanwhile Pedrioa's value continues to decrease. Why not explore the possibility beforehand rather than wait until it's to late, which I now think it is. I stated from the start I did not want to trade him just cause, but only if we could land a good young player and in five minutes I came up with a central piece to a trade, 26 YO RF lead-off hitter Kole Calhoun (OPS+ of 129 & 130 the past 2 years, which Pedroia has surpassed once) from the Angels and he's hit HR's in 3 straight games during a penant chase. The incumbent at second for the Angels is Kendrick who has 1 more year on his deal at $9.5M.

We have been through all this before. Stop. Now.

 

[Madmartigan]

Betts will play second base “fairly regularly” down the stretch with both Dustin Pedroia and Brock Holt sidelined, Boston Red Sox manager John Farrell told reporters before Thursday’s game against the Kansas City Royals at Kauffman Stadium.
 

http://nesn.com/2014/09/mookie-betts-to-play-second-base-for-red-sox-with-dustin-pedroia-out/

 

[Harry Hooper]

http://nesn.com/2014/09/mookie-betts-to-play-second-base-for-red-sox-with-dustin-pedroia-out/

 
 
It begins!

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

None of this was stated or true. I predicted he'd be likely to be hurt again as small players who play balls out tend to break down more not less especially after incurring two injuries to hands and wrist the past two years and now just a few months after I said it, it happened again, yet many claimed I was a fool for making such claims, well who was right? 
The situation in the OF has changed to some degree and I outlined that and noted the need is not as dire as it once was. I promoted the idea because a lack of talent in the OF and there was nothing on the farm, which BTW is something we have both agreed on but go on and play to the masses by all means. Are you supposed to trade a player whose not earning their contract and expect something of value? Are players who are earning their contract not traded regularly? What scenario makes it "Okay" to trade? Do tell.
 
The obvious one is matching your strength with another teams need, that's what I did.
How can he be so valuable to the Sox yet no other team would offer matching value? Is this a tangibles debate the kind we ridicule Yankee fans for with calming eyes Jeter? I wanted to take advantage of the high value people place on what he was and many here claimed will/would still achieve but you want to have your cake and eat it to, sorry but you can't do that. Talk out of one side or the other.
 
Surely a fairly healthy Pedrioa is going to be among the top 5 positional players in the Sox org. next season, thanks Captain obvious, he'll likely be far better. That is not saying a whole lot as this young team with several more knocking on the door (Swihart, Cecchinni, Castillo, plus several pitchers)  will go through a few years of growing pains and is not likely to seriously contend until at least 2016, ergo the term the next great Red Sox team, meanwhile Pedrioa's value continues to decrease. Why not explore the possibility beforehand rather than wait until it's to late, which I now think it is. I stated from the start I did not want to trade him just cause, but only if we could land a good young player and in five minutes I came up with a central piece to a trade, 26 YO RF lead-off hitter Kole Calhoun (OPS+ of 129 & 130 the past 2 years, which Pedroia has surpassed once) from the Angels and he's hit HR's in 3 straight games during a penant chase. The incumbent at second for the Angels is Kendrick who has 1 more year on his deal at $9.5M.

If Cole Kalhoun is better than Pedroia than why would the Angels trade him? Surely this is just the view point of someone who has played MLB the Show a little too much but one should take intangibles into consideration. It would be one thing if you were advocating moving Pedroia to somewhere like 3rd base. I would understand that even though I don't feel he has the arm for the move. You keep trying to hammer home that the Sox need to move Pedroia. You'll also be the first person on the board if it happens to bitch about how the Sox should have gotten more when he rebounds. He's been hampered with injuries so I'm far from ready to write him off just yet.

Let's all say it together, Top Prospects are not Sure Things!!! I suggest you look in the mirror and say it three times and watch out for Biggie Smalls

 

[absintheofmalaise]

Let's keep the thread on track. We don't need to rehash that old thread anymore in this one.

 

[maxotaur]

Didn't you hear him? He's like, a victim, man.

Victim or martyr?

But yes. I'm all for changing the subject. When i decided to push quote on that post I didn't think it could possibly be followed by a further 25 posts. back to what a healthy Pedroia might actually look like perhaps. I'm kinda curious.

 

[seantoo]

Any word on when he can begin rehab?

 

[absintheofmalaise]

This looks like a pretty good source to learn about the surgery. For a normal person it looks like rehab starts pretty quickly. Not sure about with a professional athlete. 
 

 
 

Postoperative Details

Early use of the hand for self-care and light activities is encouraged. The suture is removed approximately 10 days after surgery. Thereafter, patients may rapidly resume full activities. Some surgical-site tenderness is expected for several months.

 

[MakMan44]

So he should be fine before ST next year. 

 

[joe dokes]

On the radio last night, Joe or Dave was saying 6 weeks (either 4-6 or 6-8; cant remember) to "completely heal from the surgery" (whatever that means), and then he will be able to "have a normal offseason workout schedule" (whatever that means).
 
Having the surgery to fix the problem and being recovered from the surgery by Nov. 1 has got to have a better outcome than playing til Nov 1, like last year.

 

[seantoo]

http://espn.go.com/boston/columns/mlb/story/_/id/11505163/are-dustin-pedroia-best-days-him
 
Novel thought.
 
PS: It's actually good showing the good and the bad, almost like a real discussion.

 

[E5 Yaz]

http://espn.go.com/boston/columns/mlb/story/_/id/11505163/are-dustin-pedroia-best-days-him
 
Novel thought.

 
Why don't you just nail yourself to a cross and get it over with?