Penn State AD and Sandusky Charged
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That was my first inclination too (I also was not alive), but I'd have to imagine that Paterno's approval rating was higher than Nixon's at the time of their respective incidents, right?
Nah. It wasn't nearly as earth shattering to find out that a politician was complicit in a scandal.
That should be a focus of any investigation, who knew and when and anyone who had knowledge and did nothing should also be held accountable. That does not excuse Paterno who knew but did nothing except pass the buck. How could he have allowed this man to continue in the programme. Should have called the authorities and sent him out the door as soon as he learned of it. In some jurisdictions he could be held to some legal responsibility. It is hard to comprehend a culture where an athletic programme takes precedent over morality and criminal activity.
Nah, its gotta be O.J. Despite some warning signs (that were ignored) he was pretty much universally loved.
Some of these kids are getting into GangGreen territory. I mean, some of this has to be performance art, right?
"We got rowdy, and we got maced," Jeff Heim, 19, said rubbing his red, teary eyes. "But make no mistake, the board started this riot by firing our coach. They tarnished a legend."
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Justin Muir, 20, a junior studying hotel and restaurant management, threw rolls of toilet paper into the trees. "It's not fair," Mr. Muir said hurling a white ribbon. "The board is an embarrassment to our school and a disservice to the student population."
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Paul Howard, 24, an aerospace engineering student, jeered the police. "Of course we’re going to riot,” he said. “What do they expect when they tell us at 10 o’clock that they fired our football coach?”
http://www.nytimes.c...-is-ousted.html
"We got rowdy, and we got maced," Jeff Heim, 19, said rubbing his red, teary eyes. "But make no mistake, the board started this riot by firing our coach. They tarnished a legend."
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Justin Muir, 20, a junior studying hotel and restaurant management, threw rolls of toilet paper into the trees. "It's not fair," Mr. Muir said hurling a white ribbon. "The board is an embarrassment to our school and a disservice to the student population."
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Paul Howard, 24, an aerospace engineering student, jeered the police. "Of course we’re going to riot,” he said. “What do they expect when they tell us at 10 o’clock that they fired our football coach?”
http://www.nytimes.c...-is-ousted.html
OJ Simpson comes to mind, but of course he was thought of as an otherwise nondescript Hall of Fame player, not a moral icon.
The Trustees knew there would be hell to pay for firing Paterno this way. They presumably acted because the spectacle that was likely to unfold on Saturday would do lasting harm to the institution's image.
In that same vein, I wonder if Saturday's game is even played. If this story had broken a month earlier, the show would have gone on, but forfeiting one home game (and the associated revenue) might be a price PSU is willing to pay for damage control.
In that same vein, I wonder if Saturday's game is even played. If this story had broken a month earlier, the show would have gone on, but forfeiting one home game (and the associated revenue) might be a price PSU is willing to pay for damage control.
Madden seems to be reaching unless he has actual physical evidence (documents etc...), I don't think that the Second Mile was the real life version of the Super Adventure Club (see South Park)...but I could be mistaken. It should absolutely be investigated, however, I think that we will find there was more going on at Happy Valley than children being raped. I would absolutely agree that Sandusky was forced to retire due to his involvement with little boys.
To clarify, I feel that the NCAA will find some infractions that JoePa swept under the rug involving his players and then use those to punish Penn State for this incident since they cannot do anything to Penn State for this alone, which sucks.
Is Mike McQueary getting tared and feathered in the middle of the campus yet??
Yeah Nixon was always a pretty divisive character even among Republicans.
Paterno was generally thought of positively by the vast majority of the population.
Jim Baker pops to mind as someone who fell from grace quickly but a pretty sizable portion of the population thinks all Televangelists steal from the pot and secretly have hookers on the side. I tend to agree with that group.
Hey Terry, care to revisit this one?
Edit: Probably not fair to pick on Terry, but the sanctimony of PSU fans has always made me bristle. I always dreamed that JoePa would get its comeuppance -- and now it's happening in such horrible fashion that I can't even enjoy it.
Well, we just found the next wave of Occupy Wall St. protesters. Any firm with a decent HR department will google these kids names, find them quoted in the NYT discussing rioting in support of a guy who covered up a child molester and immediately blacklist them.
Smart move guys.
Im guessing he is saying these kids arent going to be employable by anyone who reads that paper as their actions arent showing much responsibility
Holy shit whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? this... really, this just cannot be true.
http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11
Very much a rumor at this point, but it sounds as though Madden has been following this story longer than most.
Agreed. I don't have much faith in human nature but this is just too sick to contemplate.
Nixon wasn't a fall from grace, he was a president in disgrace. And OJ: I remember reading the newspapers the day the murders occurred and thinking matter of factly: yup, the SOB killed them.
Prior to this, the worst thing that could be said about JoPa was that the couldn't remember how to work the remote on his TV. The only comp that comes to mind would be if this had happened on Dean Smith's watch.
EDIT: and please tell me this isn't the Mark Madden who used to be a WCW announcer. I guess listening to the audio would answer that.
Refresh my memory, would they still have to show the boys were taken across state lines?
yeah, but there was a vocal segment of the population who always hated him. Tricky Dick wasn't an ex post facto nickname. He won by such a large margin in '72 because the Democrats, a party in utter shambles, nominated probably their most left-wing presidential candidate ever, but the key difference is that I don't think any segment of the population hated Paterno like the American left of the time hated Nixon. Yeah there might be people who were turned off by his sanctimony and the St. Joe media-created image, but who is to Joe Paterno what Hunter S. Thompson was to Nixon?
Yes. Assuming the validity of the rumors -- which is a pretty big assumption at this point -- I'm inclined to think transportation to NY/NJ/WVA and so forth would fall into the category of nitty gritty details. Essential, but probably satisfied.
I could see that, I suppose. I know Sandusky brought kids to the game, but did the Grand Jury find he brought them on the road?
As an aside, having children must be terrifying. I can't imagine ever letting a child of mine traveling or spending time alone with any adult not a part of my immediate family.
Bonger, no president is ever going to be adored like a successful NCAA football coach; that's a stupid straw man comparison. There is ALWAYS going to be a vocal minority who hates every president's guts. Nixon's was vocal. So was Clinton's. Bush's. I can keep naming presidents, there are almost fifty more who come to mind. 
It is an objective fact that claiming Nixon was "disgraced" before Watergate is like saying that OJ was universally reviled before murdering his ex-wife. It's simply not true. It's stupid to pretend otherwise, no matter how great HST's articles skewered him.
It is an objective fact that claiming Nixon was "disgraced" before Watergate is like saying that OJ was universally reviled before murdering his ex-wife. It's simply not true. It's stupid to pretend otherwise, no matter how great HST's articles skewered him.
If this is as big as Madden says it is (and we have nothing other them him saying it), could this go RICO?
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If this is as big as Madden says it is (and we have nothing other them him saying it), could this go RICO?
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If this is as big as Madden says it is (and we have nothing other them him saying it), could this go RICO?
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If this is as big as Madden says it is (and we have nothing other them him saying it), could this go RICO?
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If the Feds want to get you, there are plenty of ways for them to get their hooks in you. I imagine they could also go after some of the board members on honest services wire fraud if they want. RICO, sure. My judge sentenced a guy who posted threats on craigslist. Craigslist's servers are in CA, so the posting traveled in interstate commerce. It's just that easy these days.
If this is as big as Madden says it is (and we have nothing other them him saying it), could this go RICO?
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If the Feds want to get you, there are plenty of ways for them to get their hooks in you. I imagine they could also go after some of the board members on honest services wire fraud if they want. RICO, sure. My judge sentenced a guy who posted threats on craigslist. Craigslist's servers are in CA, so the posting traveled in interstate commerce. It's just that easy these days.
If in any way credible, this sinks to an unfathomable level. Priests may have molested kids and covered it up, but I don’t recall them running a sick human trafficking scheme under the guise of a shell charity for at-risk kids. Anyone who made substantial contributions to that charity could be under the microscope now. I would assume that includes prominent politicians, ex-athletes, businessmen, etc. You couldn’t make this shit up; it’s gone far beyond “Tyson zone” now.
My only hope is that this is devolving into some form of the satanic child molester cult craze of the 80’s/early 90’s. Many of the worst allegations were driven by mass hysteria and eventually found to be without merit.
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If this is as big as Madden says it is (and we have nothing other them him saying it), could this go RICO?
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Like charge the entire NCAA?
If this is as big as Madden says it is (and we have nothing other them him saying it), could this go RICO?
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Like charge the entire NCAA?
Pimping out kids to wealthy donors through a charity designed to help kids is beyond worse, which is saying a lot. I really hope this isn't true, this is bad enough as it is, like an extra gruesome Dennis Lehane novel. The rumor is starting to hit the tape, however, so if it is true, it will be ferreted out.
Benedict Arnold went from our most beloved war hero to being a synonym for traitor. Debatable whether he's in the history of the country, though.
John Wilkes Booth was one of the most popular actors in the country before shooting Lincoln.
Michael Jackson went from more popular than OJ to presumed pederast.
Paterno enjoyed, and cultivated, a reputation for moral rectitude. That's one reason the parallels to the Catholic Church are more than superficial.
Among the historic parallels tossed out here, the most apt one is Benedict Arnold. Arnold, renowned as a patriot, was found to be a traitor. Paterno, renowned as a man of great virtue, looks more and more like the opposite of that.
And while I think the "pimping" stories are likely nonsense, I do think we're only looking at the tip of the iceberg. We're going to learn a lot more, and it's only going to get worse for the principals.
Among the historic parallels tossed out here, the most apt one is Benedict Arnold. Arnold, renowned as a patriot, was found to be a traitor. Paterno, renowned as a man of great virtue, looks more and more like the opposite of that.
And while I think the "pimping" stories are likely nonsense, I do think we're only looking at the tip of the iceberg. We're going to learn a lot more, and it's only going to get worse for the principals.
Fuck Dennis Lehane, not even Sophocles would touch this. This is some Marquis de Sade type shit.
I really think the next revelation is that Paterno used his knowledge of Sandusky's actions as leverage against Spanier for keeping his job.
When I said the following last night:
I was trying to imagine the absolute worst. The scary thing is that if what the rumor mill (or at least Mark Madden) is saying now is true, there may be new depths of "absolute worst" that lie beyond any imagination. I'm hoping and praying that we don't hear any more, but anything new would now shock me but not surprise me.
