Yes, yes he did.Did the announcer just refer to Philip Rivers as a future Hall of Famer??
Interesting comparison here- https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=34GKVDid the announcer just refer to Philip Rivers as a future Hall of Famer??
So, you’re on a first name basis of Phil with Rivers?I have no problem with Phil making the HoF. QB is by far the most valuable position. If Hines Ward can potentially make the museum, it doesn’t make sense to me that Phil Rivers can’t. I start a franchise, I’m taking Phil 10 times out of 10 over him.
He's the Dan Fouts of his generation.Did the announcer just refer to Philip Rivers as a future Hall of Famer??
I'm not sure if you're talking about the terrible announcer or overrated quarterback.He's the Dan Fouts of his generation.
By this standard, there would be no offensive linemen in Canton. I mean, Anthony Munoz might have been the best LT of all time, but Sam Wyche would’ve rather lost Munoz for the season than Boomer Esiason, who obviously isn’t even a serious candidate for Canton.I have no problem with Phil making the HoF. QB is by far the most valuable position. If Hines Ward can potentially make the museum, it doesn’t make sense to me that Phil Rivers can’t. I start a franchise, I’m taking Phil 10 times out of 10 over him.
And to answer the thread title: no, he isn't. For a guy to reach the HoF based on cumulative stats in an era in which passing has exploded, he needs to be a transformational, Dan Marino/Dan Fouts kind of player. Phillip Rivers isn't that.
Those numbers are good, but he's likely going to fall pretty significantly down those lists unless the game undergoes a massive change.Pretty great career, when all is said and done. Pretty good 39-year-old season too: 68%, 4,169 yds, 24 td, 11 int, 97.0 rating, leading his team to an 11-5 record a year after they went 7-9.
He doesn't have tons of accomplishments. No conference championships, never mind SB victories. 8x a pro-bowler, but never an all-pro. Never an MVP. But he was a really good, very tough, competitive player who played at a high level for a very long time. Not sure he's a Hall of Famer, but on counting stats, he just might be.
He leaves the game with the following career rankings:
- 5th in completions
- 5th in passing yards
- 5th in touchdown passes
- 12th in passer rating
- 14th in passing yards per game
- 10th in passing yards per attempt
- 11th in career AV
So does that make him a Hall of Famer? I dunno. Maybe? I don't think so but maybe he gets in.
For sure. But you can't judge a player based on who will pass him. You kind of have to go by what he accomplished during his time. Not by what others coming after him may end up doing.Those numbers are good, but he's likely going to fall pretty significantly down those lists unless the game undergoes a massive change.
Yeah, but what he accomplished during his time was significantly influenced by the rules and passing environment of his era and guys that entered the league after him playing under those same rules will surpass him pretty quickly. It's one thing for Favre to throw for 71k yards playing most of his career in basically the same passing environment as Elway, Marino and Montana, it's another for Rivers to throw for 63k in a league in which 12 QBs threw for over 4k yards and Jameis Winston can go for 5k. Passing was pretty much stable from 1980-2003 and in the last 10 years especially it's gone completely out of whack.For sure. But you can't judge a player based on who will pass him. You kind of have to go by what he accomplished during his time. Not by what others coming after him may end up doing.
Agreed. This is the biggest reason why I don't think he will get in. Compared to NFL history, his career numbers are tremendous. Compared to his PEERS, in the era in which he played...they're not quite as impressive. Still impressive, but not HOF-worth, IMO.Yeah, but what he accomplished during his time was significantly influenced by the rules and passing environment of his era and guys that entered the league after him playing under those same rules will surpass him pretty quickly. It's one thing for Favre to throw for 71k yards playing most of his career in basically the same passing environment as Elway, Marino and Montana, it's another for Rivers to throw for 63k in a league in which 12 QBs threw for over 4k yards and Jameis Winston can go for 5k.
Counter point:Philip Rivers never played in the Super Bowl, never sniffed an MVP award and never made an All-Pro team - those are three important categories in which Matt Ryan has him beat, if you're thinking about which of those two is more likely to reach the Hall of Fame first. (I'm not sure Matty Ice is a Hall of Famer, but I certainly think he's going to be better qualified at the end of his career for that honor than Rivers is.)
It's an interesting question of individual vs. Team performance, and peak vs. consistency. Ryan has the best single year. Rivers probably has 5 of the next 6 between the two. Rivers was higher up the league ranks most years.Philip Rivers never played in the Super Bowl, never sniffed an MVP award and never made an All-Pro team - those are three important categories in which Matt Ryan has him beat, if you're thinking about which of those two is more likely to reach the Hall of Fame first. (I'm not sure Matty Ice is a Hall of Famer, but I certainly think he's going to be better qualified at the end of his career for that honor than Rivers is.)
Out of those guys I'd vote Ben in and that's it, but I believe all of them will eventually get in (I mean, as long as we're enshrining Eli Manning might as well give JP Losman a bust).I think the interesting HoF question is, how many HoF QBs does the HoF voters think there are in the 2004 draft class.
and fwiw I use Marino as my bogey for passing stats and discount yards by about 15-20% for guys playing in the current pass-friendly era.
You absolutely can, especially when his career coincided with a major change in the way the game is played and he's going to be seen not as an all-time great as soon as others catch up.For sure. But you can't judge a player based on who will pass him. You kind of have to go by what he accomplished during his time. Not by what others coming after him may end up doing.
Agreed, Ben's a lock. Eli's not a HoF QB, but he's got the rings.Out of those guys I'd vote Ben in and that's it, but I believe all of them will eventually get in (I mean, as long as we're enshrining Eli Manning might as well give JP Losman a bust).
For the record, profootballreference.com considers multiple All-Pro designations, including Pro Football Focus's All-Pro team. Rivers made 1st team in 2009 and 2nd team in 2013.Philip Rivers never played in the Super Bowl, never sniffed an MVP award and never made an All-Pro team - t
At some point though, that's just tough luck. His HOF plaque can't say "Almost made All-Pro but there were better players."He did play against Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Ben. Pretty tough company for those complaining he didnt make end of year teams.
Well, I mean, those are the Hall of Famers of his generation, the mere fact that he's situated outside of that group is very telling.He did play against Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Ben. Pretty tough company for those complaining he didnt make end of year teams.
With the Pats in mind, I considered Rivers the QB equivalent of Pittsburgh's Shampoo Guy. Great player but could be exploited. It seemed like Rivers was a very rich man's Ryan Fitzpatrick and you could count on him to just chuck it up a time or two. Some of those Chargers teams were stacked - 11 Pro Bowlers in 2006.I have always enjoyed the fact that he was 0-8 vs Brady. He was atrocious in the 2006 divisional game vs the Pats. As a Pats fan were you ever afraid to face Rivers?
There are all time great QBs in every single decade, and yeah, those are the guys that belong in the Hall of Fame, generally. When Dave Krieg retired he was 6th in TD passes and 8th in yards, was anyone making a HoF case for him because it'd be unfair to compare him to Montana/Elway/Marino/Kelly? What about Boomer Esiason? Retired 9th in yards and TDs, made it to a Super Bowl, won an MVP. Should he go in because well, not being among the best QBs of his era was understandable?My comment was SPECIFIC to End of year teams. And the Argument "Yea he had stats but no playoff wins and Few End of year honors". Playoff wins he is indefensible. But end of year teams....
I see what your saying but Thats like saying "I mean Al Simmons is good, but he never led the league in HRs. Its telling that Ruth, Gerhig, Wilson and Hornsby was better."
I mean Brady is Goat, Manning, Rodgers and Brees are probably 3 of the next 4 all time. And if you dont measure up to them but basically beat (or on par with) everyone else in every other catagory (except Playoff wins) "Its telling"? Tough crowd.
I mean he may not reach HOF standards but to say its because he isnt as good as Brady Brees, Rodgers and Manning is kinda disingenuous.