R3/68 Caedan Wallace OT PSU

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Caedan Wallace, 4 year starter at RT at Penn State

24 years old
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10.75" hands, 34" arms
was Honorable Mention All Big-10 in 2023.
 
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Wolf saying pretty definitively in the post-Day Two presser that they see Wallace as athletic enough to play left tackle, that they are going to try him there and that he was who they wanted at #68 all along, and didn't want to risk losing him even though they could have chanced trading back a bit.
 

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Went back to the Athletic stream for this pick.
Brugler and Tice both said he was probably a little overdrafted at 68, but also probably the next tackle on both their boards.
Brugler mentioned he saw Wallace as a late riser in the process, took a ton of 30 visits (SF, KC, WAS)
Tice mentioned he (Brugler agrees) thinks he can play OT or OG, and fits the Packers OL mold in getting guys who are flexible so they can just put out the best 5 of healthy guys whether that is Onwenu kicking back in, Wallace kicking in, etc.
 

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I like this dude. Calm, confident.

If we're going to be a wide zone offense, maybe a lighter, more mobile OT is what we want?
 
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Same here. I also like what Wolf had to say - and how he said it - about their confidence in the player's ability to play LT and that they want him to play there. We'll see, as always, but...I'm intrigued.
 

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Ignoring the guards who slid into the slot in 2023 because the position is a cesspool, there are 3 OLs & 5 Tackles besides Wallace on the roster. Can he be better than one of them? Seems like a reasonable expectation. (Edit...forgot the Tackles, der)Pats Ts.JPG Pats OTs.JPG
 
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Louis Riddick on Caedan Wallace: "This is my guy. ... I like a whole lot of things about this player. I'm gonna struggle to say anything bad about him. I thought his tape was as good as his much more heralded left tackle in Olu Fashanu. ... This guy is another solid pick."
 

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Ignoring the guards who slid into the slot in 2023 because the position is a cesspool, there are 3 OLs & 5 Tackles besides Wallace on the roster. Can he be better than one of them? Seems like a reasonable expectation. (Edit...forgot the Tackles, der)View attachment 81627 View attachment 81626
Absolutely. I'd expect Lowe, TWj and Stueber are all likely cuts, and if McDermott gets hurt again, he can be cut for nothing. Any could land on the practice squad safely. Anderson's restructure means he'll have a slightly better chance of making the team, but even he is just a $2M cut.
 

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His brother is a professional environmentalist finishing his doctorate?

Obviously, brothers can be very different, but that entails a lot of traits you like to see in your players.
 

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It seems all three picks were very much consensus, not one top dog saying, "I will pick this guy, period." Given that Wolf and colleagues have seemingly done their due diligence, I will go with that process. Could these be bad picks? Sure. But at least there were in-depth conversations and dialogue about each pick before they phoned in their choice. Before the draft, the Pats needed a QB, a WR, and an offensive lineman. All three picks have partly addressed those needs already.
 

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It seems all three picks were very much consensus, not one top dog saying, "I will pick this guy, period." Given that Wolf and colleagues have seemingly done their due diligence, I will go with that process. Could these be bad picks? Sure. But at least there were in-depth conversations and dialogue about each pick before they phoned in their choice. Before the draft, the Pats needed a QB, a WR, and an offensive lineman. All three picks have partly addressed those needs already.
Very much this.

They haven’t drafted an edge rusher from a school no one has heard of, a long snapper from a military academy, or a safety.

They need to improve the offense. And they are using picks to try and do just that.

Pick to pick and player to player the draft makes every team and pundit look like fools.

The only thing that is true is higher round picks are more likely to be productive than lower round picks.

Sign me up for using high round picks on offense.
 

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Yeah, I don't see Bill using the first three picks on QB, WR, and T. They had similar needs last year and he went CB, DE, and LB/S. I get that Gonzo looks like he could be special, but man.

They went all in to address their anemic offense in this draft, so I'm willing to assume they did their homework and made reasonable bets on these guys. QB seems like a crapshoot though, it seems for every C J Stroud there's a bunch of guys like Mac Jones. At this point, even drafting another Bledsoe would be great.

I've also never heard of an oyster scientist, but pretty cool think that the Patriots could have a potential future scientist on the line if he's anything like his brother.
 

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Yeah, I don't see Bill using the first three picks on QB, WR, and T. They had similar needs last year and he went CB, DE, and LB/S. I get that Gonzo looks like he could be special, but man.

They went all in to address their anemic offense in this draft, so I'm willing to assume they did their homework and made reasonable bets on these guys. QB seems like a crapshoot though, it seems for every C J Stroud there's a bunch of guys like Mac Jones. At this point, even drafting another Bledsoe would be great.

I've also never heard of an oyster scientist, but pretty cool think that the Patriots could have a potential future scientist on the line if he's anything like his brother.
What do you mean even drafting another bledsoe? Bledsoe was elite until he got Grand down over the years.
 

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Yeah, I don't see Bill using the first three picks on QB, WR, and T. They had similar needs last year and he went CB, DE, and LB/S. I get that Gonzo looks like he could be special, but man.

They went all in to address their anemic offense in this draft, so I'm willing to assume they did their homework and made reasonable bets on these guys. QB seems like a crapshoot though, it seems for every C J Stroud there's a bunch of guys like Mac Jones. At this point, even drafting another Bledsoe would be great.

I've also never heard of an oyster scientist, but pretty cool think that the Patriots could have a potential future scientist on the line if he's anything like his brother.
Its funny because on the PM draft show, BB said the Pats needed to fill those exact positions.
 

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"Wallace was a guy we had targeted," Wolf said. "We had some exploratory conversations about possibly moving back from 68, and then, it was just kind of like, ‘Well, why? This is the guy that we had wanted all along.’"
So, Wallace was a guy the Pats went into the draft wanting to take. They must have thought they could move back and still draft him, since Wolf says they considred it, but in the end they just took him at 68. Overdraft or no, they wanted him.
 

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Eh, he was considered a top 5 QB in '96 and '97, maybe even top 3 behind Favre and Young. The falloff after then was considerable, but his peak was elite.
While passer rating isn’t the be all end all, it was more important in the mid 90s than it is today. Drew finished 8th in 96 and 6th in 97. That range feels about right. He could sling it but he made a lot of bad decisions too.
 

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Riddick on ESPN has been high on basically every pick in the draft. When asked what his least favorite pick was, he couldn't answer. There very may well be reasons to like Wallace, but Riddick's opinion means nothing
 

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Riddick on ESPN has been high on basically every pick in the draft. When asked what his least favorite pick was, he couldn't answer. There very may well be reasons to like Wallace, but Riddick's opinion means nothing
He doesn't like to dump on guys, but he went out of his way to say he liked Wallace. You can disregard if you like.
 

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He doesn't like to dump on guys, but he went out of his way to say he liked Wallace. You can disregard if you like.
My brother who knows Riddick and works for ESPN says Riddick doesn’t like everyone but won’t say bad things on TV - doesn’t think it is fair to those kids. FWIW.
 

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This pick feels like something they see as a high percentage developmental project over a couple of years period. Like, as opposed to emphasizing next year. Which seems like the right play to me: What is this guy’s value in ‘25 and ‘26 and almost ignore ‘24. Just a good way to think about non Day 1 OTs.
 

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What do you mean even drafting another bledsoe? Bledsoe was elite until he got Grand down over the years.
He (along with Parcells) helped immediately turn the organization around and was an above average quarterback for several years. I don't consider him to be elite like Elway, Favre, Young, Marino, etc. were in the 90s though.
 

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He (along with Parcells) helped immediately turn the organization around and was an above average quarterback for several years. I don't consider him to be elite like Elway, Favre, Young, Marino, etc. were in the 90s though.
He also had one of the shortest peaks known to man. He had two very good years, 96 and 97, in years 4 and 5. And that was the end.
 

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He also had one of the shortest peaks known to man. He had two very good years, 96 and 97, in years 4 and 5. And that was the end.
I think you have to give him 1998 too, since he battled through injuries and won some dramatic games while seriously dinged up. Those back-to-back wins over the Dolphins and the Bills were as good as anything in the Bledsoe era.
 

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This pick feels like something they see as a high percentage developmental project over a couple of years period. Like, as opposed to emphasizing next year. Which seems like the right play to me: What is this guy’s value in ‘25 and ‘26 and almost ignore ‘24. Just a good way to think about non Day 1 OTs.
It does feel like that, but I don’t love feeling that way. Clearly they could’ve made the choice even to come back up into late first and grab a tackle or use that second for a tackle where it lay, but they did not. These coaches see something we don’t, or theres another shoe to drop I guess…but it’s already late for shoe dropping and LT looks like a very large question mark.
 

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Wallace is an older offensive lineman who probably best profiles as a guard. The risk with older prospects needing a lot of technique work is that it is harder for older guys to learn things vs younger prospects. Muscle memory is less pliable. I am surprised they think Wallace can handle left tackle. He’s a chronic over setter and doesn’t have the foot speed to recover. That’s a RT or OG profile, not LT. LTs have to be able to protect on an island. He doesn’t have the reactive quickness or foot speed to do so.
When you look at his hands he does have a good grip but he uses his two hand punch too much. He doesn’t utilize his inside hand enough. His outside hand is often out of place leading to cross chops. He also opens his gait too early leading to inside counters. He can’t handle elite speed rushers up the arc.

It’s not that he’s a bad pick. I was higher on him vs consensus and I think he might be able to be, at best, a slightly above average RT, it’s that it felt like they forced the pick because of the run on OL. Reaching for an OL just means you’ll probably need to draft or sign one later. I get people hate blind adherence to the consensus boards but there is a reason most folks saw him as a round 4-6 guy vs pick 68.

Reactive quickness, reactive footspeed, foot speed in general, and independent use of hands are critical for an OTs success and he comes up short there. You can clean up his technique but his athletic limitations are what they are.
 

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There must be fewer than 10 of those guys in any draft.
According to pro-football-reference, the number of guys who were starters for 10+ years:

2001: 20
2002: 8
2003: 15
2004: 12
2005: 12
2006: 17
2007: 9
2008: 7
2009: 8
2010: 12

So in those 10 years (no point in going much sooner than that since we need them to be starters for 10+ years), the average number of players as starters for 10+ seasons is 12, so you're pretty darned close.
 
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I have no idea if he can play LT or if he can play AT ALL, but I fucking LOVE Caeden Wallace just as a personality and a guy. Not since Damien Harris have I been so impressed with a draft pick's vibe. So smart. So mature. Feels like a long-term Patriot. But who knows?
 

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Wallace is an older offensive lineman who probably best profiles as a guard. The risk with older prospects needing a lot of technique work is that it is harder for older guys to learn things vs younger prospects. Muscle memory is less pliable. I am surprised they think Wallace can handle left tackle. He’s a chronic over setter and doesn’t have the foot speed to recover. That’s a RT or OG profile, not LT. LTs have to be able to protect on an island. He doesn’t have the reactive quickness or foot speed to do so.
When you look at his hands he does have a good grip but he uses his two hand punch too much. He doesn’t utilize his inside hand enough. His outside hand is often out of place leading to cross chops. He also opens his gait too early leading to inside counters. He can’t handle elite speed rushers up the arc.

It’s not that he’s a bad pick. I was higher on him vs consensus and I think he might be able to be, at best, a slightly above average RT, it’s that it felt like they forced the pick because of the run on OL. Reaching for an OL just means you’ll probably need to draft or sign one later. I get people hate blind adherence to the consensus boards but there is a reason most folks saw him as a round 4-6 guy vs pick 68.

Reactive quickness, reactive footspeed, foot speed in general, and independent use of hands are critical for an OTs success and he comes up short there. You can clean up his technique but his athletic limitations are what they are.
Adams, Amegadjie, Glaze, Goncalves all went just after Wallace. SMU, would you (or anyone else) have put any of them ahead of Wallace? Personally I have no idea, just curious what y'all think.
 

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Amegadjie yes. The rest, no. I do like Goncalves as like a super sub or maybe a starting guard. Amegadjie is a project though.
 

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Adams, Amegadjie, Glaze, Goncalves all went just after Wallace. SMU, would you (or anyone else) have put any of them ahead of Wallace? Personally I have no idea, just curious what y'all think.
I'd have had Kiran ahead of him for sure. And I really don't think that Glaze is a tackle.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/BrandonThornNFL/status/1784265605241061858


Thorn likes the picks. also mentioned he thinks Wallace at LT is worth a try.

Thorn is obviously only one evaluator, but he's considered very good at O-line and I generally find his evals really useful.

I will say he's more an eval guy than a mocks/rankings guy so he's going to care less about what pick you take a guy. I think his ranks would say we got Wallace at or just above where we should in the ranks of OTs (he had him I think 11th we got him 13th) with Robinson being a bit early based on rank (though IOL is tough since there is more scheme fit variation so when you rank everyone you're including a bunch of guys who some teams will not have on board and vice versa.

Zierlin was also pretty high on Wallace... his 10th rated tackle with a 6.23 grade (will be average starter) had him just behind Kiran, but ahead of Paul, Suamataia and Rosengarten. (He was lower on Robinson who he had as the 15th guard).
 

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Worth noting that the Pats are changing up their OL scheme, aren't they? With new coaching.
I hope it works better than Matty P watching some YouTube videos on how to move them to a Zone Blocking team with no one on the team with any experience in Zone Blocking and it was a complete disaster starting in training camp.
 

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Worth noting that the Pats are changing up their OL scheme, aren't they? With new coaching.
I'd like to hear someone who knows more about this than I do weigh in. We all know the Pats invested draft capital in 2 OL picks despite having a lot of bodies on the roster and just now cut McDermott. That alone suggests Mayo/Wolf/AVP weren't happy with the line for any number of reasons.

AVP and the new OL coach are known for their "zone blocking" schemes per this article, so I assume they were picking guys who they think can be a fit in their system.

So, what can be expected from Peters? That will depend on the offense new coordinator Alex Van Pelt will install in New England. Based on prior tendencies, however, the Patriots’ O-line should expect to run a variety of different blocking schemes. The Browns of the last few years were an outside zone-based team, and they ran it on almost a quarter of their offensive snaps — which would be a change compared to the Patriots’ traditionally power-focused concepts. However, they also mixed in a considerable amount of man blocking to a point where they eventually became one of the league leaders in gap blocking, too.

Seeing New England adopt a similar approach would make sense, and play into the strength of the personnel available. Cole Strange appears well suited for zone and pull blocking, with pending free agent Michael Onwenu and sophomore Sidy Sow fits as gap blockers.
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OLine: Okorafor, Strange, D Andrews, Sow, Onwenu, Mafi, J Andrews, Anderson, Lowe, McDermott, Steuber, Wallace, Robinson, Jordan, Wheatley
That's a lot of bodies. Assuming D Andrews doesn't retire, and barring injury, the middle 3 spots are likely set. The big question is what will happen as the two tackle spots. Presumably Onwenu is RT, but could he move to LT and allow Wallace or Okorafor to handle RT?
 

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It's a pretty big gamble that Wallace can make it at LT and it sets the line in a potentially precarious spot with three guys who profile best at RT and zero who profile best at LT. The WR room got a lot better but the tackle spot remains a big question.
 

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It's a pretty big gamble that Wallace can make it at LT and it sets the line in a potentially precarious spot with three guys who profile best at RT and zero who profile best at LT. The WR room got a lot better but the tackle spot remains a big question.
Isn’t the prevailing wisdom that someone will be drafted with a likely high pick next year? There was nobody close to close value at either draft spot and while its easy to say they could have traded up for the BYU Sumataia guy (that seemed even more upsetting to people that he went to KC), he is a long term play anyway, not a plug and play day 1 starter. A run happened in the draft. Oh well.
 
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Isn’t the prevailing wisdom that someone will be drafted with a likely high pick next year? There was nobody close to close value at either draft spot and while its easy to say they could have traded up for the BYU Sumataia guy (that seemed even more upsetting to people that he went to KC), he is a long term play anyway, not a plug and play day 1 starter. A run happened in the draft. Oh well.
One would assume they will invest in the LT spot more next offseason than they did this year but they’ll likely have plenty of other needs as well.