R4/110 Javon Baker WR UCF
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CGon made total sense as a guy who slipped and was perfect for the Belichick D. I gave him a pass there. After that though, it was ridiculous. OT was a far higher priority than any other position, and they didn't draft any at all. Unconscionable. Even hitting late on Pop, it was lousy.
They clearly wanted Sow as a RT. Can certainly argue that was a bad evaluation but I don’t think they thought they neglected the position.
they added a lot of bodies at tackle last year, none worked out. It happens. It was a terrible draft for tackles as it was.
not spending more draft capital on tackle between Wynn and last year is a bigger problem if we’re going to complain about the handling of the tackle spot.
I am late to watching this party and catching up. how many picks do the Patriots have left- 3? I don't remember in recent memory going all O or D this far in a Patriots draft, but under BB if it did over the last 20 years it was D
Certainly agree with the prior years being the real problem, as 2023 was as bad for OT as this year is good. But while Sow did get tons of reps at RT in the preseason, he was pretty bad out there. The bodies added all came very late, after the preseason, as McDermott and Reiff went down, Onwenu continued recovery, and Calvin Anderson's mystery illness was still impacting him. These were desperate moves, not a plan.
Pretty sure this is a joke referencing Baker saying that he wants to "kill" whoever is lined up across him.
Reiff, Anderson and Sow were plan A. Plus they had some carry over developmental guys from 2022.
Heading into camp, they had enough bodies to think they could piece together a passable (not great) group of tackles
Kind of like patching LT with a fringe castoff (Okorafor) and a developmental pick (Wallace). Not much different than Anderson + Sow
should the Pats have invested more premium capital in tackle from 2019-2022? Yes. But I don’t think the 2022 plan in isolation was bad. Everything just went wrong on the OL starting with Onwenu’s slow recovery, Anderson’s mystery illness and Strange’s early camp injury. The holdover developmental guys all flopped. Reiff got hurt. Then their desperation moves (Wheatley and Lowe) were both failures.
IMO the handling of LT under Wolf is as bad or worse given the relative value of those positions than BB’s RT plan last year but he seems to be getting a pass for it thus far.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNBdsOWWRp0
Lots to like here, he might be raw and have some concentration lapses at times but he is very physical, cuts violently, and plays super hard.
Lots to like here, he might be raw and have some concentration lapses at times but he is very physical, cuts violently, and plays super hard.
You are all over this forum with nonsense. Not every poop thought you have needs to be posted.
Please stop with this crap.
Yeah, I get his RSP so I can get more acquainted with players the Pats draft. Baker is his WR17 but in a huge “starter” tier that begins at his WR5. Waldman himself is adamant that one should focus on tier not ranking.
I appreciate this forum and all of the effort everyone puts into providing great content. I don’t see how this is an acceptable post.
PFF Draft show on Javon. I think it should start right when they are talking about Javon and Polk, right around 35:11
View: https://www.youtube.com/live/bEltFVO2IdE?si=8l9s8qGSDl6rP_nC&t=2111
View: https://www.youtube.com/live/bEltFVO2IdE?si=8l9s8qGSDl6rP_nC&t=2111
Thanks for that. They sound fairly bullish which is nice after the last few seasons.
Having just watched Javon with the N.E. media on Patriots.com, I have to say...he's kind of a weird guy. Maybe just nerves or something, but I think I should just stick to watching him catch the football. He's like the anti-Caeden Wallace in terms of maturity/thoughtfulness. Of course, I'd much rather watch Javon on the field than Caeden but...wow. Anybody else see this?
I'm showing my age but in the late 1980s and early 1990s the Giants had a wide receiver named Stephen the Touchdown Maker Baker. Caught a TD in the Bill's Super Bowl. Come to think of it, I think he spent time in the slammer for some reason.
How dare you speak ill of a Fresno County Hall of Famer, Fresno State alum, and Angeleno native ?!?!
Seriously though, I don’t think the Touchdown Maker did any time. He was 5’8” playing WR in the 1980’s — he deserved absolute immunity.
And he was a gymnast at Fresno.
You know who speaks ill of Baker, FO
In 1992, according to Football Outsiders, Baker had the worst catch rate of any wide receiver from 1991–2011, catching only 28.8% of the passes thrown to him.
I didn't know anything about Baker coming in, but count me among those who likes the confidence. Is it liable to burn him if he isn't very good? Sure. But after years of the (successful) BB Era of no one saying anything its kind of refreshing to have someone who will actually say something like "I want the damn ball and I'm going to score when I get it"
Lazar's film review: Film Review: Analyzing Fourth-Round WR Javon Baker's Fit in the Patriots Offense
I haven't watched this but it popped up in my YT feed. Steve Smith on Baker.
View: https://youtu.be/YNBdsOWWRp0
View: https://youtu.be/YNBdsOWWRp0
cool little insight @5:40 about dealing with the sun in your eyes on punt returns
No idea how legitimate this writer is, but:
https://statsbomb.com/articles/football/reviewing-the-2024-nfl-draft/
https://statsbomb.com/articles/football/reviewing-the-2024-nfl-draft/
This guy could still be a bust and might get clowned but... damn I love his confidence. If he can even back it up by a fraction, I am going to enjoy watching him hauling in catches for the Pats.
When was the last time the Pats had a receiver with that level of swagger? Ochocinco (couldn't back it up)? Moss (could)?
Look how out of shape he is!
/weei
(kidding - both pumped and jacked about this kid and Polk)