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j44thor said:
And 100% accurate so your point is???
 
Guess when you are the smartest man in the room even when you are wrong you are still right.  Must be nice.
 
Brady was great and needed to be great to win as it turned out. But, it wasn't the game of his life. He's had nine better postseason games statistically and has had better regular season games. You got called out for your hyperbole. 
 

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riboflav said:
 
Brady was great and needed to be great to win as it turned out. But, it wasn't the game of his life. He's had nine better postseason games statistically and has had better regular season games. You got called out for your hyperbole. 
But I'm guessing those 9 better games he had some semblance of a running game and interior OL, chances are good the defense also showed up in those games.  Brady put the team on his back last night period.  If that wasn't the game of his life given the context I'd love the counterargument to better games beyond "stats" in a random blowout. 
 

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j44thor said:
And 100% accurate so your point is???
 
Guess when you are the smartest man in the room even when you are wrong you are still right.  Must be nice.
Oh I was wrong about a lot yesterday, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. That comment being silly wasn't one of them. Brady was immense but that wasn't the game of his life, he made a terrible decision in a big spot and missed a handful of throws. When you are Tom fucking Brady, that's not the game of your life. Which is why that comment was a silly statement to begin with.
 

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j44thor said:
But I'm guessing those 9 better games he had some semblance of a running game and interior OL, chances are good the defense also showed up in those games.  Brady put the team on his back last night period.  If that wasn't the game of his life given the context I'd love the counterargument to better games beyond "stats" in a random blowout. 
If he'd played the game of his life they wouldn't have been down 14 twice. Let it go man.
 

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Wait what?
 
During the intros for the players, instead of saying "Terrell Suggs, Arizona State" he says "Hacksaw, Ball So Hard University." I was making a joke about ASU's reputation as a party school and high acceptance rate. Sorry if it didn't really work.
 

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Looking forward to the film guys breaking down what happened on the defensive side of the ball because there seemed to be a lot of blown assignments from a defense not usually susceptible to those. Seemed like linebackers and safeties were the primary culprit given the nature of the blown assignments (setting edges and backs and TEs off of misdirection.

Also, seemed like the Ravens were snapping the ball quickly a lot, not no huddling but breaking the huddle and then snapping very quickly once lined up, curious if that was screwing up the Pats figuring out assignments.
 

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What am I looking at in the top picture?
 
An asshole.
 
Stitch01 said:
Oh I was wrong about a lot yesterday, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. That comment being silly wasn't one of them. Brady was immense but that wasn't the game of his life, he made a terrible decision in a big spot and missed a handful of throws. When you are Tom fucking Brady, that's not the game of your life. Which is why that comment was a silly statement to begin with.
 
I actually think the decision was great. Gronk was wide open, he just botched the throw.
 
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Nice to see Suggs got to have some fun
 
 
(I'm stuck with a laptop, hard to do nice PS work).
 
You are the best and that is the best.
 

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Looked like a small window to try and get the ball into Gronk to me, but maybe it was there and was just a godawful throw
 

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Stitch01 said:
Looked like a small window to try and get the ball into Gronk to me, but maybe it was there and was just a godawful throw
Yeah, it was a pretty small window. Baltimore was in Tampa-2 and Gronk had beaten Smith, the LB who is responsible for running deep over the middle to take away the deep post/seam. A more lofted throw would have been better, but might have given the safeties time to converge on Gronk.
 

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Stitch01 said:
Looked like a small window to try and get the ball into Gronk to me, but maybe it was there and was just a godawful throw
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Yeah, it was a pretty small window. Baltimore was in Tampa-2 and Gronk had beaten Smith, the LB who is responsible for running deep over the middle to take away the deep post/seam. A more lofted throw would have been better, but might have given the safeties time to converge on Gronk.
 
He may not have been wide open like I first thought, but if he puts more power on the the throw it's a pretty easy completion I think. Gronk had the safeties split and was behind the LBs, but Brady threw it right to the LB. The Madden view replay shows it pretty good.
 

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I want to believe that chandler jones hip is still botherin him because that was beyond disappointing. Yes he got held some and yes he got hand to his face at times, but that was an unstaffed rookie that took him out of the game completely. He is a below averse player against the run, if he can't give you pass rush then what's the point of him being on the field?
If it's not from injury then I'm just about ready to close the book on him in regards to a second contract. Hell he jumped offsides on one play and was still easily taken out of the play.

Not mixing in ayers was baffling to me. Maybe due to his dumb penalty? Was he benched on special teams?

Their lack of commitment to the pass rush (in team building and game planning) will always baffle me.
 
Yeah, the lack of Ayers is baffling to me. if nothing else to just give C. Jones a blow. But, beyond that, he was getting very little push even though he was going against an UDFA and against the run he lost the edge consistently. Not sure if he's still hurt, but sure didn't look good to me...would love to see Ayers part-time next week.
 
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Suggs fell/was pushed and landed on Stork's leg. His primary substantive contribution to the game.
 
Heh....Solder was awesome.
 

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Yeah, the lack of Ayers is baffling to me. if nothing else to just give C. Jones a blow. But, beyond that, he was getting very little push even though he was going against an UDFA and against the run he lost the edge consistently. Not sure if he's still hurt, but sure didn't look good to me...would love to see Ayers part-time next week.
For the record James Hurst was projected to be a late second to third round pick until he broke his leg in the Belk Bowl during his senior year. Not your run of the mill UDFA.
 

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Very cool. But as well compare to the Colts who look like they won/are celebrating a Super Bowl win after their game. Big Pats advantage in terms of savoring but also knowing it's just a step.
 

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I live in Maryland and my 11 yr old son asked me this morning, "Where is my Brady jersey? I want to wear it to school to annoy all the Ravens fans."
 

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Interesting tidbit from Jeff Howe of the Herald:

"Brady held the ball for an average of 2.7 seconds during 27 first-half drop-backs, but that decreased to 2.2 seconds during 26 second-half drop-backs. That was an absolute necessity for the Patriots because they didn’t hand the ball to a running back a single time after the break, which is a strategy that typically leads to a quarterback’s deconstruction."
 
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I live in Maryland and my 11 yr old son asked me this morning, "Where is my Brady jersey? I want to wear it to school to annoy all the Ravens fans."
You should retire now. Your work here is done. Will your son's (autographed) jersey be available on eBay or can we just do a direct paypal thing?
 

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You should retire now. Your work here is done. Will your son's (autographed) jersey be available on eBay or can we just do a direct paypal thing?
 
I just hope he makes it back from school alive.
 
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I just hope he makes it back from school alive.
We're raising our son (three years old) in Staten Island. Halloween 2013, following the previous night's World Series win, Theo went in a Sox shirt and cap (plus requisite beard) as "staten island's bravest kid." He came back intact, but school is gonna be rough for him.
 

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Interesting tidbit from Jeff Howe of the Herald:

"Brady held the ball for an average of 2.7 seconds during 27 first-half drop-backs, but that decreased to 2.2 seconds during 26 second-half drop-backs. That was an absolute necessity for the Patriots because they didn’t hand the ball to a running back a single time after the break, which is a strategy that typically leads to a quarterback’s deconstruction."
 
I guess when your strategy is "find out where #38 (Melvin) is and throw the ball to whomever he's guarding" it makes the decision-making process a lot easier.  Apparently, Melvin faced 19 passes, allowed 15 of them to be completed for two TDs, and 150.9 passer rating against.
 

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Pretty rough day.  Play eight to ten yards off in coverage on most snaps allowing for easy pitch and catches, then gets a perfect pass dropped on him one of the few times he's not in that coverage (uncalled PI on that play too)
 

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loshjott said:
 
I just hope he makes it back from school alive.
My 9-year-old son trick-or-treated as Johnny Damon on October 31, 2004.  In New York City.
 
By the third time somebody refused to give him a Milky Way, he had perfected his "You're such a douchebag loser" smirk.
 

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NFL Shop is all sold out of the excellent New Era beanies the Pats wore on the sidelines yesterday (blue cuff, white/gray/red stripes, blue pom pom, Patriot Pat logo).  What the hell?
 
http://www.nflshop.com/New_England_Patriots_Hats/Mens_New_England_Patriots_New_Era_Navy_Blue_Classic_Sport_Knit_Hat
Been sold out since before the Holidays. Tried to get one for my father in-law sometime in early-mid december with no luck
edit: went to the Pats pro shop, not sure if my wife tried the nfl shop
 

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Mugsys Jock said:
NFL Shop is all sold out of the excellent New Era beanies the Pats wore on the sidelines yesterday (blue cuff, white/gray/red stripes, blue pom pom, Patriot Pat logo).  What the hell?
 
http://www.nflshop.com/New_England_Patriots_Hats/Mens_New_England_Patriots_New_Era_Navy_Blue_Classic_Sport_Knit_Hat
 
All the real fans (like me!) got them in time for Christmas Thanksgiving.
What are you, some kind of bandwagon fan? 
 
:buddy:
 
 
I will say, they are remarkably cozy.
 

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All the real fans (like me!) got them in time for Christmas Thanksgiving.
What are you, some kind of bandwagon fan? 
 
:buddy:
 
 
I will say, they are remarkably cozy.
Guess I need to see if it comes in pink...
 

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Off the top of my head, it feels like the Pats have had a really bad play within the last 2 minutes of the 2nd quarter about 4 times in the last 8 games or so (SD red zone int, int yesterday, Nelson long TD and I think there was another Brady int I am forgetting).  I would love for them to stop that trend.  I think it really hurt them vs GB, but they have survived the mistakes in the other games.  Just seems the margin for error decreases the deeper they go into the playoffs.  
 
edit - yep, it was the Indy duck and loft pass.  thanks.  Then add in Miami as drleather mentions and you are talking about 5 times.  
 

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Off the top of my head, it feels like the Pats have had a really bad play within the last 2 minutes of the 2nd quarter about 4 times in the last 8 games or so (SD red zone int, int yesterday, Nelson long TD and I think there was another Brady int I am forgetting).  I would love for them to stop that trend.  I think it really hurt them vs GB, but they have survived the mistakes in the other games.  Just seems the margin for error decreases the deeper they go into the playoffs.  
 
Against Miami, with 29 seconds left in the half, they punted and allowed the Miami returner to run it back 32 yards, setting up a one-play TD with 2 seconds remaining.
 

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Pretty rough day.  Play eight to ten yards off in coverage on most snaps allowing for easy pitch and catches, then gets a perfect pass dropped on him one of the few times he's not in that coverage (uncalled PI on that play too)
Whatever we got wrong, most of us got this right. Week 13, Chargers at Ravens. They could never afford to play up.

And for those of us who have been on the bandwagon for a while, the opener of the 2002 season on MNF. After Lee Flowers shot off his mouth, Brady put on the surgical gown and gutted the Steelers. "What's this game manager stuff?"
 

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I think Flacco had Smith on the Harmon INT. If he gets the ball to the far corner of the end zone... Better chance of TD than INT. Bad pass.

The choice of that as the play is a different question, but I think he had him.
 

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I dont know about that, Smith was trailing both Ryan and Harmon so I dont think throwing the ball further was going to help..  From where I was sitting as soon as the ball was in the air it looked like it was going to be picked, Harmon was breaking really early.  I think he could have gone to the back of the end zone and gotten it there.
 

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Smith was not trailing Ryan (pic below), but Harmon had the ball tracked the entire way, and 4-5 yards on Smith.
 

 

 
 
 
And in this last pic you can see that Harmon is heading towards Smith while Flacco still had the ball. He had it all the way.
 
 

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It was a really bad throw by Flacco. He even said in his post game comments that he saw Harmon cheating that way, why he thought it was a good throw makes no sense.
 

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FYI Nomario and I have a piece in the works comparing LaFell's TD to Harmon's INT. Nearly identical plays all-around.
 
Maybe I missed it, but did nobody else think that the LaFell TD should've been flagged because the DB was pinning down LaFell's lag arm?  Maybe somebody mentioned it in the game thread, but I haven't seen that added to the list of missed calls.
 

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Smith was not trailing Ryan (pic below), but Harmon had the ball tracked the entire way, and 4-5 yards on Smith.
 

 

 
 
 
And in this last pic you can see that Harmon is heading towards Smith while Flacco still had the ball. He had it all the way.
 
You are of course correct,  my mind was playing a trick on me regarding Ryan from the end of the play when he was telling Harmon to down it in the end zone.  Thanks for the breakdown
 

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Maybe I missed it, but did nobody else think that the LaFell TD should've been flagged because the DB was pinning down LaFell's lag arm?  Maybe somebody mentioned it in the game thread, but I haven't seen that added to the list of missed calls.
I mentioned it upthread and completely agree, it was a missed PI.  Can understand why it wasnt called at full speed, but that was way more hindrance to LaFell catching the ball than anything Revis did on the one he was flagged for.