Sure, but not because they have two surgically repaired knees. As I indicated in my original post, given that the Brady window is closing sooner rather than later, a couple years of high level production from this guy is worth it. I like the pick and I expect him to be a very good player when he's on the field. I just don't expect him to be around for very long. It's a fine use of resources, but one, in my estimation, that's focused on the returns he's likely to bring in the near future.HomeRunBaker said:Aren't most 29th picks candidates for a short career? This one just so happens to have Top-5 talent when he's healthy.
A top 10 first? Yeah. A bottom of the first round pick? Not so much.jsinger121 said:No kidding. Big time risk to use a first on a player with that type of injury history.
Yes. Once you've torn your ACL, you're more likely to tear the other knee or re-tear the operative knee. You're also more likely to tear your meniscus.Klostrophobic said:Why does anyone care if a guy has a ten year career? As long as he makes it four years through his contract that's all that matters, right? If he bolts in free agency and plays for another seven years it shouldn't have any bearing on the value of using a pick on him.
Are guys with two ACL injuries more likely to be injured in the future than other players who haven't been injured yet? Are injuries predictive of other injuries?
snowmanny said:This thread is gratifying, except for the part where the orthopedist called his injury history "horrifying."
You're missing the modifiersnowmanny said:This thread is gratifying, except for the part where the orthopedist called his injury history "horrifying."
Is that return to play for professional athletes, who are getting the best possible treatment?DaveRoberts'Shoes said:Yes. Once you've torn your ACL, you're more likely to tear the other knee or re-tear the operative knee. You're also more likely to tear your meniscus.
Oh, and revision ACLs have a 50-60% rate of return to play.
Meh.
"Diagnose"? He's had two ACL reconstructions, I'm not sure where diagnosis comes in.Ferm Sheller said:
To be fair, it's probably pretty hard to diagnose a guy who you never even heard of until about 1.5 hours ago.
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:"Diagnose"? He's had two ACL reconstructions, I'm not sure where diagnosis comes in.
The studies are across the board, but anyone who's trying to come back after 2 ACLs is pretty motivated.Ed Hillel said:Is that return to play for professional athletes, who are getting the best possible treatment?
You want to split hairs? Fine -my assessment is that he's a hell of a lot more likely to miss time due to knee injuries than someone who hasn't had both knees reconstructed. I don't know a goddamn thing about him as a football player other than the fact that the Patriots thought enough of him to take him in the first round, but from a medical standpoint he's a risk.Ferm Sheller said:
Assess.
Yes, then you have a 120% return to play.BigSoxFan said:But if you tear them both it balances out, right?
I was wondering if someone would post video of this. He also did some barrel rolls at the line as well. Kind of silly but it demonstrates his athleticism.Oklahoma Jones said:Guys seems really likable and talented. He also has a ton of energy and personality, as evidenced by some of his pre-snap shenanigans in this video. As long as he has knees, I think I'm going to enjoy rooting for him.
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:You want to split hairs? Fine -my assessment is that he's a hell of a lot more likely to miss time due to knee injuries than someone who hasn't had both knees reconstructed. I don't know a goddamn thing about him as a football player other than the fact that the Patriots thought enough of him to take him in the first round, but from a medical standpoint he's a risk.
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:Yes, then you have a 120% return to play.
Math FTW
koufax32 said:I was wondering if someone would post video of this. He also did some barrel rolls at the line as well. Kind of silly but it demonstrates his athleticism.
He really was the heart and soul of that defense last year. When he went down the whole thing fell apart as he was the only lineman playing in the backfield despite double teams. BB will enjoy using him as a dline Swiss army knife.
Super Nomario said:This is exactly right. Here's Doug Farrar's take: http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/09/2014-nfl-draft-top-64-scott-crichton/
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:Fine, whatever. $10 for you.
Ferm Sheller said:Pats had him in for a physical. Really nice kid, really nice. His medical team at MGH says hi.
EDIT: Gronk's gonna be good-to-go, BTW. FWIW.
Doctor Fight!Ferm Sheller said:Pats had him in for a physical. Really nice kid, really nice. His medical team at MGH says hi.
EDIT: Gronk's gonna be good-to-go, BTW. FWIW.
Ed Hillel said:Doctor Fight!
I have a JD, so I can play, too, right?
We've already been over this. If you have a JD, you're a doctor. A PhD makes you a Super Duper Double Doctor. Sorry, DRS, you're outranked on this one .Ferm Sheller said:I'm not a doctor. I have a PhD and a JD. I just happen to know the Pats' docs (and, more importantly, secretaries!).
Ed Hillel said:We've already been over this. If you have a JD, you're a doctor. A PhD makes you a Super Duper Double Doctor. Sorry, DRS, you're outranked on this one .
soxhop411 said:
Mike Loyko @NEPD_Loyko 4s
Just got it confirmed to me "Seattle got their guy stolen from them" "They packed up shop after that pick".
Thats why SEA traded their pick
I agree that I came across like an asshole and I apologize. I was in a shitty mood and I should learn to read only and not post at such times. I'll take a break...Deathofthebambino said:Ferm, for someone not trying to pick a fight, you're coming across like a pretty big asshole. Given that you wrote "Right, we all know this," I'm guessing you missed when Klostrophobic asked, which I will paraphrase, "Do players with a history of ACL surgeries have a higher probability of re-injuring their knees." All DRS did was answer that question in the affirmative, and state that there are plenty of studies that show that. There are also tons of studies that show that players have trouble returning from Achilles injuries too, so those who are excited about Wilfork's chances should probably do a little reading.
Do the secretaries have anything to say about Wilfork? Because I want to know if I can disregard those studies if they took a shine to him. Of course the guys knees checked out ok. Why the fuck would the Pats draft him if they didn't? Does that actually disprove anything that DRS wrote?
This is pretty much all I was trying to say - I'm sure Easley's graft checked out fine on his physical, otherwise he would have been off the Pats' board altogether. I'm glad he's a nice kid, as that probably makes him less likely to kill, you know, A LOT of people, but he's still statistically a bit of a medical risk.radsoxfan said:As DRS said, obviously there is a risk here, and it doesn't matter if his knees "checked out OK" or if he was nice to the staff. He has a higher risk of future knee injuries than most draft picks, plain and simple. And if he does have another injury, it's more likely to be a career ender than an injury for someone else would be. Hopefully each of his ACL tears were relatively isolated, and didn't have much cartilage/meniscus damage to go along with them.
Feels a lot like the Gronk pick to me. Injured guy with big upside gets picked later than he otherwise would have. If Easley really is a top 10 talent, then I can see it being worth the risk at pick 29. At some point, the potential reward outweighs the risk. But I'm sure the Patriots and their medical staff are going into this with their eyes wide open. There is definitely some serious risk taking a guy with 2 prior ACL tears in the 1st round.
No worries, Ferm - it's a message board, if you don't come across like an asshole at least some of the time you're probably doing it wrong. I'm sure I'll say something super douchey when the Pats pick the backup Rutgers fullback in round three.Ferm Sheller said:I agree that I came across like an asshole and I apologize. I was in a shitty mood and I should learn to read only and not post at such times. I'll take a break...
Pics?Ferm Sheller said:I'm not a doctor. I have a PhD and a JD. I just happen to know the Pats' docs (and, more importantly, their secretaries!).
Of course, professional athletes also put their reconstructed knees under substantially more stress than losers like me rehabbing to be able to sit behind a desk most of the day.Ed Hillel said:Is that return to play for professional athletes, who are getting the best possible treatment?