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[Was (Not Wasdin)]

Ouch. That frickin hurts. He was the one other guy I really wanted to keep. I think you got yourself a good player.
 
 
 
Fucker.

 
I liked him a lot in the main draft, but you grabbed him before I could.  He fits right in with what I am trying to do along my line.  I was surprised that he wasnt protected, although you have a lot of good players so you had to make some tough calls (I dont have that problem).  

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Well, you lost your left tackle, but at least your kicker is safe!

 
That's exactly who it came down to too... 
 
I know there was some snark there, but I can replace a rookie LT. I can't replace one of, if not the best kicker in the league. An automatic 3 points if my O stalls in opposing territory is a nice comfort to have.

 

[Phragle]

 
That's exactly who it came down to too... 
 
I know there was some snark there, but I can replace a rookie LT. I can't replace one of, if not the best kicker in the league. An automatic 3 points if my O stalls in opposing territory is a nice comfort to have.

 
Foles would be chewing your ass right now

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

 
Foles would be chewing your ass right now

 
For what? I was told over and over that my o-line was abysmal, now you guys are going to say I should have kept any of them over superior players? Make up your minds.

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

I'm looking now.

 

[Phragle]

 
For what? I was told over and over that my o-line was abysmal, now you guys are going to say I should have kept any of them over superior players? Make up your minds.

 
Well from Foles' POV, you're protecting the guy that comes in when the offense stalls over the guy that protects his blindside. Not exactly a vote of confidence.
 
From my POV choosing not to protect a good player on your line because people felt the line as a whole was "abysmal" is counter productive. I had pretty shitty WRs this season but I still protected Percy Harvin. Also it's a kicker. I don't think anyone would have picked him. Maybe I'm wrong but it's still a kicker.

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

The Colts steal the Bucs' G Chris Chester.

 

[Super Nomario]

 
That's exactly who it came down to too... 
 
I know there was some snark there, but I can replace a rookie LT. I can't replace one of, if not the best kicker in the league. An automatic 3 points if my O stalls in opposing territory is a nice comfort to have.

Tucker's an excellent kicker, maybe the best in the NFL. I just doubt anyone's team is so stacked at this point that they're looking to upgrade kicker as opposed to somewhere else. We'll see by the end of the second stealing round, I guess. You weren't the only one to protect a kicker / punter so my snark (of which there was some, I admit) is directed at all specialist-keepers, not just you.

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

I just sent Laddie a PM. I'm on mobile, so in not 100% sure it went through. If someone else wants to PM him too, I'd appreciate it.

 

[mascho]

I just sent Laddie a PM. I'm on mobile, so in not 100% sure it went through. If someone else wants to PM him too, I'd appreciate it.

I sent a PM just to be safe. 

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Tucker's an excellent kicker, maybe the best in the NFL. I just doubt anyone's team is so stacked at this point that they're looking to upgrade kicker as opposed to somewhere else. We'll see by the end of the second stealing round, I guess. You weren't the only one to protect a kicker / punter so my snark (of which there was some, I admit) is directed at all specialist-keepers, not just you.

 
I'll tell you I didn't think a guy with 7 o-linemen was going to steal one of mine.
 
Do we still have limits on positions, or is that out the window?
 
 

 
Well from Foles' POV, you're protecting the guy that comes in when the offense stalls over the guy that protects his blindside. Not exactly a vote of confidence.
 
From my POV choosing not to protect a good player on your line because people felt the line as a whole was "abysmal" is counter productive. I had pretty shitty WRs this season but I still protected Percy Harvin. Also it's a kicker. I don't think anyone would have picked him. Maybe I'm wrong but it's still a kicker.

 
Foles can shut his mouth and do his job. Percy Harvin was hurt and was your 3rd round pick, kind of like Harrison Smith for me. It would be dumb not to keep him. I saw 1 team without a LT and 6 without a K and Tucker is at the very least top 3 in the league.

 

[SMU_Sox]

Eck, a sunk cost is a sunk cost. If he didn't like his 3rd round pick he'd cut him. Assigning a value based on a previous valuation makes no sense in this league although I'd be happy if people kept worthless people because they didn't understand that.

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Eck, a sunk cost is a sunk cost. If he didn't like his 3rd round pick he'd cut him. Assigning a value based on a previous valuation makes no sense in this league although I'd be happy if people kept worthless people because they didn't understand that.

 
I get that. Evaluating on draft order is not ideal but 3rd round in a Fantasy Draft is pretty significant.

 

[SMU_Sox]

Why is it significant? If you're looking at how they picked and drafted and you want to evaluate their performance in the past then, yes, it's important. If you care about the future it shouldn't matter. Now you might argue that it is a proxy for talent performance in the future but that's a proxy variable and while it might have a high correlation it in and of itself doesn't matter. IOW: while it might be a variable with a high correlation to future performance it is still just a proxy and something that has to be taken with a grain of salt. To me it might be worth flagging but at that point it's just to help me find guys who might have been cut when they shouldn't have been. But, like I said, it's not something I'd bank on - it has to be tied to much more relevant factors.

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Why is it significant? If you're looking at how they picked and drafted and you want to evaluate their performance in the past then, yes, it's important. If you care about the future it shouldn't matter. Now you might argue that it is a proxy for talent performance in the future but that's a proxy variable and while it might have a high correlation it in and of itself doesn't matter. IOW: while it might be a variable with a high correlation to future performance it is still just a proxy and something that has to be taken with a grain of salt. To me it might be worth flagging but at that point it's just to help me find guys who might have been cut when they shouldn't have been. But, like I said, it's not something I'd bank on - it has to be tied to much more relevant factors.

 
That makes sense. I'd point out that saying it doesn't matter isn't necessarily true but we'd be splitting hairs.

 

[CaptainLaddie]

Sorry guys.  I'm so fucking swamped with work and travel.  I'll try and make this happen.

 

[CaptainLaddie]

Okay, I'm stealing Stephen Tulloch, ILB, from the Bucs.  He's a beast at ILB and EXACTLY what we need at that level.  Stoked.

 

[JerBear]

 
I get that. Evaluating on draft order is not ideal but 3rd round in a Fantasy Draft is pretty significant.

I made shitty second and third round picks and didn't protect them. If someone else wants them I'll find rookies to be equally poor.

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

I made shitty second and third round picks and didn't protect them. If someone else wants them I'll find rookies to be equally poor.

 
What? You're second and third round picks are both protected...

 

[JerBear]

 
What? You're second and third round picks are both protected...

that's what I get for posting from memory while trying to put a toddler to bed. Thought I took branch r3 and mangold was one of my last protects apparently.

Have I mentioned I'm bad at this?

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

that's what I get for posting from memory while trying to put a toddler to bed. Thought I took branch r3 and mangold was one of my last protects apparently.

Have I mentioned I'm bad at this?

 
It's cool man. Putting toddlers to bed is no easy task.

 

[Old Fart Tree]

We first got interested in this young man when his offseason went decidedly Raider. The Petaluma Raiders welcome their new #1 WR Davone Bess.

 

[Super Nomario]

We first got interested in this young man when his offseason went decidedly Raider. The Petaluma Raiders welcome their new #1 WR Davone Bess.

Umm ... he's not even on a roster right now.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Yes he is.
 
The Petaluma Raiders.

 

[Super Nomario]

My understanding is that only rostered players are eligible for these two rounds - otherwise one team is going to end up with one more player than the other teams.

 

[soxfan121]

We first got interested in this young man when his offseason went decidedly Raider. The Petaluma Raiders welcome their new #1 WR Davone Bess.

 
Of course you did. No one fucks shit up like Al Davis' protege.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

My understanding is that only rostered players are eligible for these two rounds - otherwise one team is going to end up with one more player than the other teams.

Yeah that's right. OFT needs to pick somebody else if Bess isn't rostered.

 

[soxfan121]

Yeah that's right. OFT needs to pick somebody else if Bess isn't rostered.

 
Needs more heated rhetoric, Pete Rozelle. 
 
Next time, give it some more feeling.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Yeah that's right. OFT needs to pick somebody else if Bess isn't rostered.

 
Yup -- there are 3-4 names on my list now that I would have picked over Captain. Bess is off the table until the "draft" rounds, combined with the rookie pool.

 

[Old Fart Tree]

Yeah that's right. OFT needs to pick somebody else if Bess isn't rostered.

Goddammit, really? I saw Bess unprotected and obviously had to jump. Fine, I'll pick someone else.
 
Also, Go Fuck Yourself.

 

[wibi]

 
Yup -- there are 3-4 names on my list now that I would have picked over Captain. Bess is off the table until the "draft" rounds, combined with the rookie pool.

 
Ditto. 

 

[Old Fart Tree]

Welcome aboard, Alfonzo Dennard, CB from the hated Dolphins. Why are they hated? Here's a hint: you are ALL hated at Petaluma Raiders HQ at 1522 Petaluma Boulevard North. Suck it.

 

[Old Fart Tree]

For what it's worth, I think this is exactly how the real Al Davis felt for the last decade of his life. Generally confused by a set of rules that he doesn't understand, but still full of rage and hostility.

 

[Super Nomario]

Welcome aboard, Alfonzo Dennard, CB from the hated Dolphins. Why are they hated? Here's a hint: you are ALL hated at Petaluma Raiders HQ at 1522 Petaluma Boulevard North. Suck it.

With Dennard gone, Dolphins have lost two players and are now off-limits. The spreadsheet has been updated.

 

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

With Dennard gone, Dolphins have lost two players and are now off-limits. The spreadsheet has been updated.

 
Only ten teams have had players stolen and two have already reached their limit. Pretty surprising.
 
Either these teams are deeper in the middle of their rosters or they protected the wrong players. 
 
Edit: Orrrrr owners stole the wrong players. 

 

[SMU_Sox]

For what it's worth, I think this is exactly how the real Al Davis felt for the last decade of his life. Generally confused by a set of rules that he doesn't understand, but still full of rage and hostility.

 
Interesting... I once used that type of description for how my Papou's mental state was 10 years into dementia. Nice pick, btw. You needed to address your secondary and Dennard still has a lot of upside potential. 

 

[Old Fart Tree]

Thanks. Agreed that it was a position of need and his youth is a plus. The criminal stuff was just cherry on top.

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Thankfully we put a 2 player restriction on these steals or else I'd be in trouble. Overall though, I'm okay with losing Strief and Dennard. I kept my other 4 starting OL and I've got Milliner and Boykin at CB. There were a couple other guys I was worried I was going to lose, so I'm happy these steals are out of the way.  Guys like Cameron Heyward, Karlos Dansby, Reggie Nelson, and Christian Ponder were big contributors last year and now can't be stolen. 
 
Strief was a supplemental round pick, so I got a great season out of him. Being the only OL I lost, I shouldn't have too much trouble finding a replacement at some point. Dennard was inconsistent last year, has the well-known legal issues, and had trouble staying on the field. I would've liked to have kept him, but the draft should be plenty deep with rookie and veteran CB options. 

 

[Myt1]

I had no idea this started Monday. I'll try to figure something out in the next hour or so.

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

 
Only ten teams have had players stolen and two have already reached their limit. Pretty surprising.
 
Either these teams are deeper in the middle of their rosters or they protected the wrong players. 
 
Edit: Orrrrr owners stole the wrong players. 

 
I think my team was pretty deep, we just didn't have the offensive firepower to win games. With guys like Ponder and Trent Richardson, it's a little tough to argue about the strength of the team, but we had great OL and DL play to go along with some nice surprises like Keenan Allen and Jordan Cameron. I had a tough time not keeping guys like Strief and Dennard, but the guys I kept were younger and had more upside. 
 
 
Edit- Quick note on the spreadsheet: Zach Strief is still listed as my RT

 

[Myt1]

Whomever we eventually get at QB will have another weapon in Cecil Shorts.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Whomever we eventually get at QB will have another weapon in Cecil Shorts.

 
Fucker.

 

[Super Nomario]

With the 14th pick, the Cleveland Ravens select Junior Galette, Edge Rusher from the Steelers.
 

 
Pass rush was a problem for the Ravens last year; our defense totalled just 27 sacks (the worst NFL team had 31) and a PFF pash rush grade of -14.5. Adding Galette's 12 sacks, +6 PFF pass rush grade, 10.2 PRP, and epic beard will help shore up this issue. Galette's just 26, has experience as both a 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB, and nabbing him hurts a division rival. What's not to like?
 
With this pick, the Steelers have lost their two players and are closed for future steals. Spreadsheet updated and PBDWake PM'd.

 

[PBDWake]

The Green Bay Packers will be drafting Logan Mankins, OG, from the New York Giants.
 

 
There are a few holes we were looking to fill, but overall, we felt that Logan was the best talent available, with the fewest holes in his game, and that the war is won in the trenches. We look forward to pairing him alongside Duane Brown and Chris Myers to form a wall protecting Jay Cutler's blind side.

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

We were pretty surprised Gallette wasn't protected and we were hoping he'd fall to the Dolphins AT THE END OF THE DRAFT (yeah, I'm still a little bitter), but nice pick. 

 

[JerBear]

Texans will take a flyer on Danario Alexander, WR from the Eagles.  Hopefully his knees will recover.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Bucs will grab Rodney Hudson and plan to convert him back to LG, where he played most of his career at FSU.  This move allows us to replace Chris Chester and also to get younger and more versatile on the OL.  With the Fisher-Hudson-Kelce-Pugh-Schwartz quintet, my OL should be set for years to come.
 

 
Edit: PM sent to SPDougie

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

One addition rule with the stealing rounds: To address concerns that teams at the end of the second round might have very limited choice, the last five teams to draft in the second round will have the option of either making a conventional steal or taking an 8th round draft pick in lieu of a stolen player.  For example, it gets to the end of the second round, I've only had one player stolen from me and Turrable decides that instead of picking whatever scraps he can from my roster, he'd rather have my 8th round pick.  I lose one less player and when we get to the 8th round in the normal draft, Turrable drafts in my slot.  I don't anticipate this being used a lot, if at all, but it gives teams options.
 
 

 
And who would the 6th to last team picking be?
 
Yup.
 
Why not?

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

With the 14th pick, the Cleveland Ravens select Junior Galette, Edge Rusher from the Steelers.
 
With this pick, the Steelers have lost their two players and are closed for future steals. Spreadsheet updated and PBDWake PM'd.

 
God DAMN it. This hurts more than losing Kenny Stills. Took a gamble on both and lost fuckety-fuck-fuck.

 

[SMU_Sox]

 
And who would the 6th to last team picking be?
 
Yup.
 
Why not?

 
 
Is posting a goatsy poor form? What if Phragle is the one doing it?