nattysez said:
Fair to assume Baird is out? Baird's also a senior VP.
soxhop411 said:@Sean_McAdam: Baseball source says Wren will serve chiefly as a talent evaluator. Will be based in ATL and scout talent "for acquisition purposes.''
DavidTai said:I'm not sure I like Frank Wren in the place of Allard Baird. This strikes me as a lateral move, rather than an improvement.
Any particular reason to think well of Frank Wren?
DavidTai said:I'm not sure I like Frank Wren in the place of Allard Baird. This strikes me as a lateral move, rather than an improvement.
Any particular reason to think well of Frank Wren?
Van Everyman said:I don't mind this hire in the abstract. But does it suggest that DD wanted Wren, Henry wanted to keep the farm operations and that hiring Hazen as GM w Wren as a deputy was how they split the difference?
DavidTai said:I'm not sure I like Frank Wren in the place of Allard Baird. This strikes me as a lateral move, rather than an improvement.
Any particular reason to think well of Frank Wren?
nvalvo said:
Here's the case for Wren:
Now that I think of it, his record with the Braves is a lot like Cherington's with Boston. He made some puzzling big FA moves that ultimately cost him his job, but as an AGM and then GM, he was mostly around for a period of success, especially in player development. The Braves had a very highly ranked farm system for most of his tenure, producing players like Heyward, Freeman, Teheran, Minor, Kimbrell, Saltalamacchia, Simmons, Jurrjens, Vizcaino, Andrus, Hanson, Schafer, etc. He also managed to acquire Michael Bourn just before he had his career year, and then let Michael Bourn walk just before his precipitous decline.
- He worked in the Marlins FO with Dombrowski in the early 90s, and they built a winner from scratch really quickly.
- Peter Angelos hated him.
- He was an AGM with the Braves from '99 to '07, and then GM from '07 to '14, and the Braves were pretty successful in that timespan.
Here's the case against Wren:
- Dan Uggla 5/$62.
- BJ Upton 5/$75.
- Derek Lowe 4/$60.
Red(s)HawksFan said:I wasn't all that enthused with the idea of Wren being hired to be the GM, in part because he isn't considered big on the analytics side of things and I thought he'd represent a changing of organizational philosophy. But as a glorified scout and adviser who doesn't have any power to sign anyone, I can't see the harm of having him in the mix.
Van Everyman said:I don't mind this hire in the abstract. But does it suggest that DD wanted Wren, Henry wanted to keep the farm operations and that hiring Hazen as GM w Wren as a deputy was how they split the difference?
I wasn't all that enthused with the idea of Wren being hired to be the GM, in part because he isn't considered big on the analytics side of things and I thought he'd represent a changing of organizational philosophy. But as a glorified scout and adviser who doesn't have any power to sign anyone, I can't see the harm of having him in the mix.
Especially as regards to pitching. It seemed like Braves perennially had a top-5 staff in the NL during his tenure, although that might just be my faulty recollection.nvalvo said:
And that Braves farm system was very, very productive during his tenure, so he must have been doing something right.
As a former State Street employee, truer words have never been spoken.mt8thsw9th said:
If the Red Sox are run like State Street, there's no such thing as too many senior VPs.