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This team desperately needs right handed hitting or LHP will dominate them. Duvall still put up a good split. vs leftys last year (0.844 OPS), so if he is used as a platoon bat/4th OF he would be a great addition to the lineup. He has also graded out pretty well defensively over his career, with even pretty good marks in CF.
But we already have a Refsnyder.
Re: this and Sanchez, we are currently in need of 2 of primary SS/2B/CF. The Red Sox Payroll twitter has us $18m under the threshold, and thinks Duvall may get $9-10m. Fangraphs projects Andrus as getting 2/$20m. Iglesias may be half that, and Kim gets $7m this year, but whichever way we go the reality is we're running out of space to stay under, especially if we want to leave any room for mid-season acquisitions.
 

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Sanchez is kind of worse than his individual parts. He is a large dude and late in games, his pitch blocking gets spotty and he gives up a lot of crucial passed balls. On one hand, I think this is an overrated component but on the other hand, it seems to happen a lot in big situations. At the plate, he seems easy to fool and he also is very easy to position against defensively somehow, which is a big reason why his stats don't match his underlying metrics.
Shifted on in 70.5% of his PAs last year, which is a ton for a right-handed batter. One of the top 10 RHBs shifted on in baseball.

I’m kinda talking myself into him.
 

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Shifted on in 70.5% of his PAs last year, which is a ton for a right-handed batter. One of the top 10 RHBs shifted on in baseball.

I’m kinda talking myself into him.
May I temper your enthusiasm by noting that he hit .267 with no shift & .261 with a shift, so probably won't make a huge difference when combined with his 29% strikeout rate.
 

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What are you guys thinking? Duvall is a poor mans Hunter Renfroe. He's only had one season in his major league career where he hit over .249. He doesn't walk, he doesn't get on base, and we have to pay $9 mill for him? Is he honestly that much better than Tommy Pham?
 

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IIRC: Duvall had a bad wrist injury last year, which caused him to miss a bunch of time and according to reports affected him all year long. May explain the dramatic numbers drop, but on the other hand at his age recovering from a power-sapping wrist injury is the likely reason he is still on the market in mid January
 

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But we already have a Refsnyder.
Re: this and Sanchez, we are currently in need of 2 of primary SS/2B/CF. The Red Sox Payroll twitter has us $18m under the threshold, and thinks Duvall may get $9-10m. Fangraphs projects Andrus as getting 2/$20m. Iglesias may be half that, and Kim gets $7m this year, but whichever way we go the reality is we're running out of space to stay under, especially if we want to leave any room for mid-season acquisitions.
Refsnyder has never come close to matching the numbers he put up last year, and that was less than 200 AB. It seems extraordinarily risky to rely on him to be the second best right handed bat on the team.

I also don’t see why Duvall would get more than Pollock (1/$7M), but I could be wrong. We will have to see. That $18M number also assumes every player hits all of their bonuses, so they could certainly have more room with a little risk added. Leaving holes in the team to start the season so you can afford a mid-season acquisition doesn’t make any sense.
 

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Refsnyder has never come close to matching the numbers he put up last year, and that was less than 200 AB. It seems extraordinarily risky to rely on him to be the second best right handed bat on the team.

I also don’t see why Duvall would get more than Pollock (1/$7M), but I could be wrong. We will have to see. That $18M number also assumes every player hits all of their bonuses, so they could certainly have more room with a little risk added. Leaving holes in the team to start the season so you can afford a mid-season acquisition doesn’t make any sense.
To be clear, I was responding to the idea of hiring Duvall as a platoon player and not the primary CF. We don't have room in the budget (or the roster) to Voltron together an outfield with multiple new guys, we need two solid players to fill a couple gaping holes. Refsnyder was great as our 4th outfielder last year; I'm comfortable calling that role covered.
 

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I’d take a flyer on Sanchez depending on cost. Defense is horrible, but he’s a RH power bat.
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Player A: 898 PA, 45 HR, .232/.298/.456/.754, 101 OPS+
Player B: 1089 PA, 49 HR, .195/.287/.394/.681, 90 OPS+

Player A = Bobby Dalbec
Player B = Gary Sanchez

The only benefit Sanchez provides over Bobby D as a RH bench bat is he can catch. He's not a better receiver than Wong or McGuire though.
 

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I think the Sox are pretty happy with their catching situation and see little chance they make any moves there at all.

McGuire is a guy they targeted from the White Sox in the Diekman deal the same day they traded Vazquez, so they obviously saw something they liked there and he’s played well since he got here. He’s a former first round pick who will be 28 this season, which as we all know is right in that range where catchers start to click. He makes $1.225 million.

Wong will be 27 this season. From what I’ve read the Sox are happy with his defense. Last year in Worcester he hit .288/.349/.489 with 15 hr in 355 plate appearances. He makes 700k.

Both of these guys line up well with the competitive window the Sox are building towards, they have potential, and they make peanuts. The Sox are set at catcher.
 

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FWIW, Bloom on the catcher situation just after the season ended:
"I think both of these guys showed well," Bloom told reporters in reference to McGuire and Wong, as seen on NESN's broadcast Thursday. "Which is good for them, good for us. We didn't want to be in the position we were in, in the end, but we tried to make the most of that position in terms of giving them opportunities. Both for their growth and benefit and also for ours.

"I think they definitely raise the floor of what we have. Now that said, this is one of the areas that I fully expect we're going to explore additions. It's nice to know we have at least two guys that are familiar with how we do things, that showed a lot of good things but we owe it to ourselves and everybody who cares about this team to look to get better, and catcher is certainly not going to be an exception to that."
 

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FWIW, Bloom on the catcher situation just after the season ended:
Thanks for posting that. I hadn’t seen those quotes. I appear to have misread their intentions here. If they do decide to upgrade catcher, Wong can easily spend more time in Worcester.
 

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Player A: 898 PA, 45 HR, .232/.298/.456/.754, 101 OPS+
Player B: 1089 PA, 49 HR, .195/.287/.394/.681, 90 OPS+

Player A = Bobby Dalbec
Player B = Gary Sanchez

The only benefit Sanchez provides over Bobby D as a RH bench bat is he can catch. He's not a better receiver than Wong or McGuire though.
On the other hand, if Bob put up those numbers as a catcher, wouldn't we be more encouraged? Or if Wong did?

I think the Sox are pretty happy with their catching situation and see little chance they make any moves there at all.

McGuire is a guy they targeted from the White Sox in the Diekman deal the same day they traded Vazquez, so they obviously saw something they liked there and he’s played well since he got here. He’s a former first round pick who will be 28 this season, which as we all know is right in that range where catchers start to click. He makes $1.225 million.

Wong will be 27 this season. From what I’ve read the Sox are happy with his defense. Last year in Worcester he hit .288/.349/.489 with 15 hr in 355 plate appearances. He makes 700k.

Both of these guys line up well with the competitive window the Sox are building towards, they have potential, and they make peanuts. The Sox are set at catcher.
I definitely agree on the McGuire point and probably do about Wong. I think they like the defense and arm there. OTOH, maybe another catcher frees up Wong to add to the 2B depth?

Sanchez has a good walk rate, sees a lot of pitches for a catcher, hits the ball hard. I think the shift ban could help, especially against lefties, and he's also hit a lot of deep fly balls to left that have turned into outs. Here's a piece in the Athletic about the work he's put in to improve at pitch framing, with several Twins pitchers vouching for him.

It might not be how the Sox want to spend half their remaining money under the CBT threshold, and it's possible he isn't rushing to come back to a high-pressure environment. But I'd be cautiously intrigued by a Sanchez deal if it made sense for the 26-man roster (which almost surely means a Dalbec deal). It could work out a lot like Mike Napoli did, and we need the power.
 

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Regarding Sanchez...If this team had no other pressing, non pitching needs and some cap space to play with, sure. An in-season addition as an injury replacement or additional bat for a playoff push, OK. With the need for at least one middle infielder and a CF/RF type and a budget south of $20M to fill those needs, I don't really see a place for him on this team.
 

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OTOH, maybe another catcher frees up Wong to add to the 2B depth?
I guess I’m kind of hoping they don’t deal Wong because I think he could become something. But there’s probably a good deal of unseemly prospect humping there on my part.
 

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Regarding Sanchez...If this team had no other pressing, non pitching needs and some cap space to play with, sure. An in-season addition as an injury replacement or additional bat for a playoff push, OK. With the need for at least one middle infielder and a CF/RF type and a budget south of $20M to fill those needs, I don't really see a place for him on this team.
But maybe Sanchez does help fill those needs in a roundabout way? Bringing him in could then let Wong serve as 2B depth rather than Kiké, who we desperately need in the outfield.

The Sox have only two catchers on the 40-man, which seems low and unideal. They’d have to add another anyway if McGuire or Wong get hurt. I can’t remember the last time we played a season with only two catchers on the 40-man.
 
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Trade With AL-East Rival May Make Sense For Infield-Needy Red Sox At Right Price (msn.com)

Highly unlikely but it is food for thought. What would Toronto want in return for Merrifield ?
Merrifeld doesn’t make a ton of sense, but if they’re considering intra-divisional trades, there was talk earlier in the offseason about Jorge Mateo being available. He can play defense and run, maybe he has an Iglesias-esque season with the bat in him.

There was also speculation - maybe wish casting; @VORP Speed can maybe speak on this - that the Rays might be open to moving Walls or Brujan? Not too sure about that, though.
 

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Every off-season, there comes a point in the roster construction process where the team is reportedly considering some players I've never heard of for an end-of-bench position or organizational depth/filler. What is concerning is that this off-season, they are considering these same types of anonymous players at key starting lineup/backup positions. Perhaps this says something about me, in that I don't have an encyclopedic familiarity with pretty much all active players in MLB like I used to, but I think it says a lot about the organization too.
 
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But maybe Sanchez does help fill those needs in a roundabout way? Bringing him in could then let Wong serve as 2B depth rather than Kiké, who we desperately need in the outfield.

The Sox have only two catchers on the 40-man, which seems low and unideal. They’d have to add another anyway if McGuire or Wong get hurt. I can’t remember the last time we played a season with only two catchers on the 40-man.
IMO, considering his very limited experience at the position both as an amateur and professional, Wong as 2B depth is fine with him being your 3rd option in a pinch. I'd much rather pursue an established middle infielder and outfield and let RFsnyder serve as additional 2B depth when needed.
 

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I can't help you if you haven't heard of Andrus and Iglesias, but what exactly does it say about the organization beyond the fact that they lost their 2B to UCL surgery for an issue that popped up after they'd made their biggest acquisitions and the known names were off the board?
Every off-season, there comes a point in the roster construction process where the team is reportedly considering some players I've never heard of for an end-of-bench position or organizational depth/filler. What is concerning is that this off-season, they are considering these same types of anonymous players at key starting lineup positions. Perhaps this says something about me, in that I don't have an encyclopedic familiarity with pretty much all active players in MLB like I used to, but I think it says a lot about the organization too.
 

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Was Story our 2b or ss? Seems like no one is even really clear on that. It’s not even Valentine’s Day, so there’s time, but I think the concern over multiple positions is valid- the starting catcher is a good glove with a career 683 OPS. The CF (or maybe SS? Or perhaps he’s at 2B) is a career 732 guy coming off a 629 season. The RF is a guy who most of the board seems to think can’t play RF. The 1B is a rookie who can’t hit lefties and the backup 1B can’t hit righties. The DH is 38, the probable starting 2B (or maybe SS) has never had more than 300 PA’s in a season and has a career 708 OPS. The 4th Of is a 31 year old with a career 676 OPS, etc etc.

I don’t think it’s outrageous or ignorant of someone to suggest that the team has a pretty large amount of concerns and lack of clarity about the roster, at this point in time, probably more so than in recent years?

(And it’s not necessarily a bad thing, a lot of the most enjoyable seasons of my lifetime have been with low expectations and lack of clarity going into the year. Sometimes lots of things go right!)
 

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I can't help you if you haven't heard of Andrus and Iglesias, but what exactly does it say about the organization beyond the fact that they lost their 2B to UCL surgery for an issue that popped up after they'd made their biggest acquisitions and the known names were off the board?
What is "Bad Luck" for $400
 

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To be clear, I was responding to the idea of hiring Duvall as a platoon player and not the primary CF. We don't have room in the budget (or the roster) to Voltron together an outfield with multiple new guys, we need two solid players to fill a couple gaping holes. Refsnyder was great as our 4th outfielder last year; I'm comfortable calling that role covered.
Duvall as a 4th OF is what I am arguing for, I don’t have enough faith in Refsnyder’s out of nowhere season to keep on as more than the last bench piece. A bench of Duvall/Wong/MI TBD/Ref fits just fine. Dalbec is too one dimensional to serve as anything more than AAA depth or trade fodder.

Budget-wise, adding Kim and Duvall @ $7M each fits within the $18M left (which again is assuming all players hit all available bonuses for the year), so I am not sure how you conclude they can’t afford it.
 

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Budget-wise, adding Kim and Duvall @ $7M each fits within the $18M left (which again is assuming all players hit all available bonuses for the year), so I am not sure how you conclude they can’t afford it.
So presumably in this scenario Kike is the primary CF, Duvall the backup, Kim at SS; who starts at 2B and how do we afford them?
 

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I can't help you if you haven't heard of Andrus and Iglesias, but what exactly does it say about the organization beyond the fact that they lost their 2B to UCL surgery for an issue that popped up after they'd made their biggest acquisitions and the known names were off the board?
I'm not talking about Andrus and Iggy. I am referring to guys like Wendle and the Greg Allens of the world. From the day that we lost X, I was advocating for an Iggy signing rather than potentially getting cute about shifting Story over or moving Kike to the infield and needing to come up with an OF solution.
 
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Was Story our 2b or ss? Seems like no one is even really clear on that. It’s not even Valentine’s Day, so there’s time, but I think the concern over multiple positions is valid- the starting catcher is a good glove with a career 683 OPS. The CF (or maybe SS? Or perhaps he’s at 2B) is a career 732 guy coming off a 629 season. The RF is a guy who most of the board seems to think can’t play RF. The 1B is a rookie who can’t hit lefties and the backup 1B can’t hit righties. The DH is 38, the probable starting 2B (or maybe SS) has never had more than 300 PA’s in a season and has a career 708 OPS. The 4th Of is a 31 year old with a career 676 OPS, etc etc.

I don’t think it’s outrageous or ignorant of someone to suggest that the team has a pretty large amount of concerns and lack of clarity about the roster, at this point in time, probably more so than in recent years?

(And it’s not necessarily a bad thing, a lot of the most enjoyable seasons of my lifetime have been with low expectations and lack of clarity going into the year. Sometimes lots of things go right!)
OPS is a tricky marker to use here. The league-average OPS last year was .706. MLB centerfielders combined had a .688 OPS (and that includes about two-thirds of the PAs Trout and Judge had).

Also, I know you’re trying to make a point about the team’s futility, but doesn’t it seem relevant to include that the “career .732 (OPS) guy coming off a .629 season” had a major injury? He didn’t set the world on fire upon return, but still. What’s predictive about a guy’s season trying to play through a blood clot? Is it more relevant to point to Refsnyder’s career line and ignore his well documented swing change? It gave him one of the highest line drive rates in baseball, and line drive hitters are more resistant to BABIP regression.

I totally agree that there are plenty of questions left to be answered. But post reads like you’re starting from a cynical position and working backward to justify it.
 

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OPS is a tricky marker to use here. The league-average OPS last year was .706. MLB centerfielders combined had a .688 OPS (and that includes about two-thirds of the PAs Trout and Judge had).

Also, I know you’re trying to make a point about the team’s futility, but doesn’t it seem relevant to include that the “career .732 (OPS) guy coming off a .629 season” had a major injury? He didn’t set the world on fire upon return, but still. What’s predictive about a guy’s season trying to play through a blood clot? Is it more relevant to point to Refsnyder’s career line and ignore his well documented swing change? It gave him one of the highest line drive rates in baseball, and line drive hitters are more resistant to BABIP regression.

I totally agree that there are plenty of questions left to be answered. But post reads like you’re starting from a cynical position and working backward to justify it.
I would argue that your post reads like you're starting from a rose colored glasses position and working backward to justify it. The bottom line is that you're making the same point. This team has a LOT of question marks. It's not what you want heading into spring training during a critical year for the CBO. Bloom still has time, so let's see what happnes.
 

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Arroyo's consistent inability to stay on the field says that's a terrible idea.
Can I ask who you are suggesting they acquire that is likely to be better than Arroyo? Everyone left has major question marks, that’s what happens when you lose a starter in January.

Edit - Refsnyder would even be an option at 2B if Arroyo was injured.
 

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I would argue that your post reads like you're starting from a rose colored glasses position and working backward to justify it. The bottom line is that you're making the same point. This team has a LOT of question marks. It's not what you want heading into spring training during a critical year for the CBO. Bloom still has time, so let's see what happnes.
Definitely agree there are questions to answer. I’m saying there’s a tendency to narrativize problems by using benchmarks out of context or overreacting to areas of modest uncertainty.

Every team has some modest uncertainty going into the season. You want some solutions to be generative, players to adapt and grow into roles, etc. There’s a reactive and widely shared impulse to sign Andrus or Iglesias as though it represents some fix. I hope they don’t do that, because it comes with the opportunity cost of potentially minting another shortstop with possible upside who hasn’t yet seized the opportunity (like Mateo, Mondesi, a prospect like San Diego’s Eguy Rosario, or maybe Arroyo himself).
 

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There was also speculation - maybe wish casting; @VORP Speed can maybe speak on this - that the Rays might be open to moving Walls or Brujan? Not too sure about that, though.
They probably do need to move one of those guys. Brujan is out of options and Walls seems to be the 1st choice for the all-defense, no bat utility infielder spot. They’re both complete black holes offensively, but Walls can give you gold glove type middle infield defense. Brujan plays every position on the field, but his defense is just OK at all of them. He’s a great basestealer, too, but you have to get on base for that to matter.
 

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Duvall as a 4th OF is what I am arguing for, I don’t have enough faith in Refsnyder’s out of nowhere season to keep on as more than the last bench piece. A bench of Duvall/Wong/MI TBD/Ref fits just fine. Dalbec is too one dimensional to serve as anything more than AAA depth or trade fodder.

Budget-wise, adding Kim and Duvall @ $7M each fits within the $18M left (which again is assuming all players hit all available bonuses for the year), so I am not sure how you conclude they can’t afford it.
I'm in. We need an actual RF in Fenway, not a guy who has the skills to probably play RF. Wouldn't require much of a commitment, certainly nothing they can't rid themselves of later as needed.
 

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OPS is a tricky marker to use here. The league-average OPS last year was .706. MLB centerfielders combined had a .688 OPS (and that includes about two-thirds of the PAs Trout and Judge had).
This is why I love SOSH!

I understand there are other positions on the roster but this shows that a good to great glove can man CF for the first half of the season.

Why not accelerate Rafaela to Fenway and let Kike/Arroy man the middle infield? Is this an option?
 

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Arroyo's consistent inability to stay on the field says that's a terrible idea.
Certainly it is true that Arroyo has not been able to stay on field in the past. I do wonder if he’s actually injury prone, or unlucky, or reckless in how he plays. In other words, is it really predictive of the future?
 

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This is why I love SOSH!

I understand there are other positions on the roster but this shows that a good to great glove can man CF for the first half of the season.

Why not accelerate Rafaela to Fenway and let Kike/Arroy man the middle infield? Is this an option?
No? He needs to start the year in AA to work on not chasing pitches out of the zone. If he can develop that skill, he'll be worth a ton to us as an elite glove CF/SS with considerable pop and a so-so hit tool. I'm not sure he makes that transition, but I also wouldn't risk it for three months play for a dubiously-contending 2023 team.
 

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Certainly it is true that Arroyo has not been able to stay on field in the past. I do wonder if he’s actually injury prone, or unlucky, or reckless in how he plays. In other words, is it really predictive of the future?
Either way, he should never be plan A going into a season. He’s Lowrie 2.0. A really good player who performs consistently well when he’s on the field, but impossible to rely on.
 

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No? He needs to start the year in AA to work on not chasing pitches out of the zone. If he can develop that skill, he'll be worth a ton to us as an elite glove CF/SS with considerable pop and a so-so hit tool. I'm not sure he makes that transition, but I also wouldn't risk it for three months play for a dubiously-contending 2023 team.
Makes sense. Just spitballing.

In a couple years some of the below AA prospects will hopefully be knocking on the door. You’re right we shouldn’t rush development for marginally contending teams.

I know it’s stinks to wait but closer to the season opener some players will become available. I expect for free or low cost.
 
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Either way, he should never be plan A going into a season. He’s Lowrie 2.0. A really good player who performs consistently well when he’s on the field, but impossible to rely on.
Well, Lowrie played 154 games at age 29, 136 at 30, 153 at 33, 157 at 34, and 139 at 37. I don't know if he was injury prone or reckless or unlucky either, but he hasn't been all that fragile in the back half of his career. Arroyo is only 27 years old and I wonder about him. Sure, they need a decent backup, but I still don't understand if there is anything in his past that really should be considered predictive of the future.
 

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Well, Lowrie played 154 games at age 29, 136 at 30, 153 at 33, 157 at 34, and 139 at 37. I don't know if he was injury prone or reckless or unlucky either, but he hasn't been all that fragile in the back half of his career. Arroyo is only 27 years old and I wonder about him. Sure, they need a decent backup, but I still don't understand if there is anything in his past that really should be considered predictive of the future.
Yeah it’s weird. Some players are just hard to bank on, and his time with the Sox seems to play into that. I like him a lot though, I think he’s a super solid ball player and the team doesn’t have enough of those.
 

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Can I ask who you are suggesting they acquire that is likely to be better than Arroyo? Everyone left has major question marks, that’s what happens when you lose a starter in January.

Edit - Refsnyder would even be an option at 2B if Arroyo was injured.
Leave Kike in his natural position in center, Andrus/Kim for SS, Iglesias for 2B, Ref backs up the outfield and Arroyo the infield.
 

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Yeah it’s weird. Some players are just hard to bank on, and his time with the Sox seems to play into that. I like him a lot though, I think he’s a super solid ball player and the team doesn’t have enough of those.
I think that's where I'm coming from as well. I really like him as a player, and if healthy, I'd love to have him as the everyday second baseman. That's why I'm trying to understand if this is just who he is, or if he's started his career with a bad, Lowrie-esque run of injuries.
Maybe I'll try to look a little deeper into his injury history and see if that tells us anything.
 

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This team needs a shortstop, a 2nd baseman, an preferable a RH hitting OF. I think we do a disservice by putting Kiki at short, Mayer is a year or two away and I don't think we will see Story until the end of the year so.....
1. Sign Josh Harrison or Jonathan Villar for one year with an option
2. Sign Elvis Andrus for 2 years
3. Trade Duran and Dalbec for a RH hitting OF ( Victor Robles is a JBJ type from the right side)


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I assume you mean Josh Harrison, and I'd be fine with him, though I'd prefer Iglesias just cause he's played well here before and he's a joy to watch. Villar only played 59 games last year and he was terrible in them, so I'm less interested in him.
 

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I think that's where I'm coming from as well. I really like him as a player, and if healthy, I'd love to have him as the everyday second baseman. That's why I'm trying to understand if this is just who he is, or if he's started his career with a bad, Lowrie-esque run of injuries.
Maybe I'll try to look a little deeper into his injury history and see if that tells us anything.
One big chunk of it was Covid in late 2021.
 

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Leave Kike in his natural position in center, Andrus/Kim for SS, Iglesias for 2B, Ref backs up the outfield and Arroyo the infield.
Yes the general thought of many here was that there was a need for a middle infielder and a RH hitting outfielder. Story's injury is the only thing that has changed and now we need two MIs. IMHO, moving Hernandez only shifts a problem that is more difficult to address given the landscape of available players. I think it might be time to bring in Andrus if possible and Duval if they can fit them under the cap . Those two aren't certain to be the offensive players that they were, but there is no evidence that they're cooked and should help to stabilize the middle of the field with Duval backing up in CF. Easier said than done, but find a stop gap for 2B via trade and you're pretty much where you need to be. Leave Hernandez in CF and leave Arroyo and RFsnyder as your utility guys. Or perhaps RFSNYDER can be a part of what returns a 2B.
 
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