Nope we had two yesterday I believeBosoxen said:Unless I missed something, I believe we just had our first ruling from replay that overturned a call on the field in Arlington.
Nope we had two yesterday I believeBosoxen said:Unless I missed something, I believe we just had our first ruling from replay that overturned a call on the field in Arlington.
Well, fuck me then.soxhop411 said:Nope we had two yesterday I believe
He could be asking for clarification on the ruling. They can argue the ruling based on the interpretation of the rule rather than the judgement all day long and not need to ask for a review.terrisus said:I kind of feel like, at this point, if a manager has a challenge left, if he's going to come out of the dugout to argue, but doesn't use his challenge, there should be some sort of penalty.
It's like, what is he doing out there arguing if he doesn't feel there's a legitimate case for review?
Though its the same in the NFL.. Most coaches are wired to someone in the booth, and many times they are the ones to tell the coach to challange or not…. MLB coaches I feel should have that rightterrisus said:I kind of feel like, at this point, if a manager has a challenge left, if he's going to come out of the dugout to argue, but doesn't use his challenge, there should be some sort of penalty.
It's like, what is he doing out there arguing if he doesn't feel there's a legitimate case for review?
Because MLB has limited this to a single challenge teams are going to do whatever they can to make sure they have a reasonable shot at having a play overturned. On the play I mentioned up thread the call looked correct initially .. It only took a couple of TV replays to verify this. But gibbons still felt it necessary to have his nice long chat .. Probably discussing the rack on the broad in the 4th row. The Blue Jays didn't give a damn whether the umps got the call "right" .. All they cared about was a slim chance of turning an out into a single. These delaying tactics are only going to get worse and worse .. Especially when the call is bang bang and could go either way.geoduck no quahog said:I'm really at a loss understanding how adding a couple of minutes here and there to a game ruins the experience for anyone, particularly when it involves getting a ruling correct.
Are there really people out there who are obsessed enough about occasional delays that anything short of a 15-minute bench-clearing fiasco makes baseball unwatchable?
The Napkin said:Also which umpires are getting it right/wrong
I'd be shocked if that info won't be available at some point even if it's just crowd sourced. In fact I just started a thread on the main board asking people to pitch in and I'll try to collate now and then. Do we want to try a general MLB thread in here as well?
https://twitter.com/MLBReplaysOfTheCarmen said:Anyone know of a way to get a list of all of the replays that get checked? Could be some interesting analysis around which teams are doing it more, which innings, right/wrong, etc.
MakMan44 said:Haven't had a chance to catch up on this yet but has there been a umpire initiated replay yet?
derekson said:
I've seen a few umpire initiated replays on plays at the plate when there was a question of whether the catcher blocked the plate or not. Once in a Yankee-Blue Jay game and once in an Oakland-I forget who else game.
Lots of fun going through and seeing those challenges, thanks for finding that soxhop.soxhop411 said:
turnthe2 said:Figured I would mention this here since replay/challenges have been involved with this call. Apparently during the offseason (haven't found a link yet), the definition/interpretation of dropping a caught ball while transferring changed. It is no longer an out if you mishandle the ball on the exchange.
Anyone have any clue what the hell is going on here? This seems lika a bad idea and players/managers are in disagreement with it.
Here are some examples of the change so far this season.
turnthe2 said:
Im shocked…..sonsoftrotnixon said:Farrell to be fined by MLB for his replay remarks following the weekend series ..
http://nydn.us/1hFDkjD
sonsoftrotnixon said:Farrell to be fined by MLB for his replay remarks following the weekend series ..
http://nydn.us/1hFDkjD
zenter said:Setting aside Farrell's ejection and fine, this system has been the mess people predicted it would be from day one.
Between and among 1) forcing a call to NYC (where the 4-man replay crew could be working for as long as 15 hours on 15 games), 2) not having all content immediately available to that selfsame crew, 3) not having a strategy to deal with multiple challenges at the same time, and 4) the fact of the absurd challenge setup itself, this was a mess waiting to happen. In two weeks, we've seen missed calls, extended waits, and inability to challenge clearly-wrong calls.
Forcing umps to get calls right shouldn't be a strategic weapon that can be used 1-2 times a game. We should fully expect several "unnamed" team officials to complain about the system this season as this list of foibles and failures keeps mounting.
How the MLB failed to do the logical thing in roll-out is beyond me. The best solution (articulated here and elsewhere for literally years) was to have a full replay setup available to the on-field umps, or (better yet) add a man to every crew so they have someone focused on correcting/confirming close calls sitting upstairs at every game.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/15/john-farrell-to-get-fined-for-being-critical-of-instant-replay/
When Major League Baseball finally approved instant replay, a strong message was sent along with it, both through official channels and unofficial channels in the form of background comments to many reporters writing replay stories.
That message? It’s a work in progress. Baseball is being deliberate because it wants to get things right. If things don’t go smoothly, we’ll adjust. We’ll listen to managers and players and umpires and do our best to tweak the system
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/mlb-internet-head-defends-replay-criticism"We've had really very little controversy overall," Selig said Tuesday at the MLB Diversity Business Summit. "Everything in life will have a little glitch here and there where you do something new. And are our guys on top of it? You bet. But I'm saying to you again, you'll hear about the one or two controversies, but look at all the calls that have been overturned."
Umpires review challenged calls in a room filled with computers, screens and technicians at the offices of Major League Baseball Advanced Media.
"Technology takes a while to work," MLBAM chief executive officer Bob Bowman said. "I don't know if you ever bought a new car. You don't know how all that stuff works right away. And if you ever get a new phone, it takes you awhile to learn it. We're under 30 days old, and I know we've arrived because ESPN is already criticizing us. And it must be great to be perfect the way ESPN is
I think maybe this should be it's own thread, as there is a possible exploit as explained here.turnthe2 said:Figured I would mention this here since replay/challenges have been involved with this call. Apparently during the offseason (haven't found a link yet), the definition/interpretation of dropping a caught ball while transferring changed. It is no longer an out if you mishandle the ball on the exchange.
Anyone have any clue what the hell is going on here? This seems lika a bad idea and players/managers are in disagreement with it.
Here are some examples of the change so far this season.
I was at the gold medal game at the Athens Olympics when the Aussies got dicked by a similar call against Cuba. Middle innings with the game in the balance. Loaded bases two out with a shot to centre which looked to be caught at the wall by a spectacular catch by the Cuban CF. Definitely looked like an out from my seat on 3b line. Replays on TV (no replay scoreboard at the game) showed obviously caught on the bounce of the wall. Aussie went on to lose , and may well have anyway, but that sure would have changed the complexion of the game at the time.Plympton91 said:Replay worked perfectly in Yanks Rays game today. Myers almost stole an out call on a ball that he caught in mid leap after it bounced off the wall. The angle and distance made it hard for any ump to see clearly. The right call was clearly safe however and it was overturned quicy with the runners placed by umpire discretion without incident.
Plympton91 said:Replay worked perfectly in Yanks Rays game today. Myers almost stole an out call on a ball that he caught in mid leap after it bounced off the wall. The angle and distance made it hard for any ump to see clearly. The right call was clearly safe however and it was overturned quicy with the runners placed by umpire discretion without incident.
glennhoffmania said:So let's see.
-Stupid challenge system instead of saving time and avoiding penalizing a team for catching too many ump mistakes by having someone at MLB decide what to review.
-Arbitrary list of plays that are not eligible for review.
-Shitty camera angles to prevent some accurate reviews.
-Incorrect calls are still confirmed despite a review.
This has been pretty much awful. It never ceases to amaze me how MLB finds the dumbest ways to address a problem when simpler and more logical solutions are readily available.
DrewDawg said:
You know you can apply all of these complaints to the NFL system as well?
cromulence said:
I actually think this brought up an interesting situation - should fielders still deke players/umpires into thinking they've made a play they haven't? Myers thoroughly pretended that he had caught the ball - there were two outs so he started casually jogging in, not even bothering to throw the ball back in. Gardner never stopped running and ran all the way home. To me, and I'm biased, that's a home run, or at least a triple with his speed. In the age of replay, fielders should assume that close calls will be looked at and should "play through" if there's any question. Granted, part of the umps making the initial out call was Myers' play-acting, but he also should know that a challenge is coming. It's an interesting question.
Lose Remerswaal said:The umps might have been paying more attention before replay, now they can use it as a crutch. Perhaps subconsciously, but all we know is this didn't happen in the past, did it?
Probably not, but I don't think that matters. It should be incredibly easy to fix via replay if one can simply count. This is the kind of thing that I'd think even the most avid fans of the human element could agree should be fixed, partially because it's so simple. Guess not.MentalDisabldLst said:Would that have been resolved better prior to / in the absence of replay?