Rich Hill to sign with A's

[curly2]

It had been said he was looking for a multiyear deal. At those terms, I would have loved to see the Sox bring him back.

Great signing for the A's. If he can keep any of the magic he had in September, Beane can flip him for prospects at the deadline if the A's are out of it.

 

[findguapo]

I have always wondered why teams don't add a 1 year team option for the following year at $1 million when signing guys off the scrap heap. It would rarely come in to play, but when it does, it would be nice to have.

 

[rembrat]

I have always wondered why teams don't add a 1 year team option for the following year at $1 million when signing guys off the scrap heap. It would rarely come in to play, but when it does, it would be nice to have.

That would be an incredibly shitty deal for the player so I have to believe there is something in the CBA against that.

 

[The Mort Report]

Because why would a guy signing for 6 mil add 1 mil option that only the team can pick up? If he pitches well he would surely get more than 1 million on the market the next season. The player has zero incentive to accept that

On the signing, you know he is the next gem the A's sign for peanuts and turn into a solid #2

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

rumour has it Hill was offered more elsewhere but took the As as he had a better opportunity to be in the rotation.

too bas the sox couldn't sign him during his spectacular run.

 

[findguapo]

That would be an incredibly shitty deal for the player so I have to believe there is something in the CBA against that.

I am talking about guys that are playing in an indy league, like Hill was. They are desperate to sign with an affiliated team, and if a team is willing to sign them out of an indy league, I am sure the vast majority of them would be more than happy to accept a team option in order to sign.

 

[radsoxfan]

The NBA does something similar. 2nd round picks don't have guaranteed contracts, so when the team offers one, they usually force the player to take a couple of minimum salary team options on the back end. The players have little leverage so they usually sign anyway, but they can turn into a great deal for the team if the player pans out.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

I am talking about guys that are playing in an indy league, like Hill was. They are desperate to sign with an affiliated team, and if a team is willing to sign them out of an indy league, I am sure the vast majority of them would be more than happy to accept a team option in order to sign.

The Red Sox signed Hill to a minor league deal, probably to save a roster spot while they tried to figure out if he could pitch. I suppose they could have said that they are not bringing him up unless he signs an option year (kind of like the Astros) but at some point unless every team did that, these types of players are going to sign elsewhere I would think.

 

[Montana Fan]

rumour has it Hill was offered more elsewhere but took the As as he had a better opportunity to be in the rotation.

too bas the sox couldn't sign him during his spectacular run.

I'm psyched that he signed with the A's and for that kind of money. Talk about snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Released by the Nationals in June he signs a deal for $6,000,000.00 at the end of the same season. Yes, there's a party over at Rich's house.

 

[Buzzkill Pauley]

There was no doubt in my mind that the A's were going to pounce on Hill like a leopard on a gazelle.

Good for Rich...wish the Sox had gotten him inked right after the season ended, though.

 

[P'tucket rhymes with...]

I am talking about guys that are playing in an indy league, like Hill was. They are desperate to sign with an affiliated team, and if a team is willing to sign them out of an indy league, I am sure the vast majority of them would be more than happy to accept a team option in order to sign.

Then you're talking about someone other than Rich Hill. True scrap heap players don't get offers of $6 million to begin with.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Good for Hill. That he had that run of good starts in September meant he was destined to pitch elsewhere in 2016.

There was no reason to think he had anything left at all when the Sox signed him in August. They signed him out of the independent leagues where he ended up after washing out of four MLB organizations (including Boston) in the previous 18 months. He was a minor league signing to bolster depth with the potential upside being that he could maybe eat some innings in September, particularly while the bullpen was (and continued to be) in shambles. The notion that they should have, or could have, signed him to something that locked him in for 2016 is ludicrous. I'm sure they made him an offer to stay, but with the number of starters and potential starters they already have (and the likelihood of acquiring a nominal "ace"), there's no way they could have promised him anything more than an opportunity to compete for a rotation spot with a bullpen spot as a fall back. Signing elsewhere was a foregone conclusion if he was determined to be a starter.

 

[finnVT]

He's talking about an option year included when the Sox signed him during this past season, not now. In any case, I still doubt Hill would have agreed to that, and I'm not even sure that's possible if they're only offering a minor league contract.

In any case, good for him. Hill's one of those guys whose story is heart crushing, so I'll always root for anything good happening for him, even if it's now not going to benefit the Sox. Glad they were able to give him the chance to get back in the game.

 

[RG33]

I think it was pretty well known that Hill wanted to go somewhere he was going to have a rotation spot. The Red Sox were not going to be that place. I don't think it was a matter of the $6 million or timing after the season, he wanted to go somewhere he knew he would have a job as an SP. Good luck to him -- I hope his late season success carries over.

 

[mt8thsw9th]

Because why would a guy signing for 6 mil add 1 mil option that only the team can pick up? If he pitches well he would surely get more than 1 million on the market the next season. The player has zero incentive to accept that

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

That is the best face palm gif I've ever seen. Thats just awesome.

 

[findguapo]

He's talking about an option year included when the Sox signed him during this past season, not now. In any case, I still doubt Hill would have agreed to that, and I'm not even sure that's possible if they're only offering a minor league contract.

In any case, good for him. Hill's one of those guys whose story is heart crushing, so I'll always root for anything good happening for him, even if it's now not going to benefit the Sox. Glad they were able to give him the chance to get back in the game.

Yep, that may be the kink in my plan - I don't know if you can sign someone to a minor league deal with a team option.

 

[czar]

This board complains about having too much "mediocre starting pitching" and not enough "ace starting pitching" yet some are disappointed Rich Hill didn't re-sign with the Red Sox for $6m.

 

[findguapo]

Yep, that may be the kink in my plan - I don't know if you can sign someone to a minor league deal with a team option.

It looks like you can do it - Yankees signed Andrew Bailey to a minor league deal with a team option last year:
http://nypost.com/2014/02/22/illness-still-hampers-yanks-soriano/

 

[dynomite]

This board complains about having too much "mediocre starting pitching" and not enough "ace starting pitching" yet some are disappointed Rich Hill didn't re-sign with the Red Sox for $6m.

2.50 xFIP and 11 K/9 in his 4 starts.

Obviously there is an incredibly small chance that he'll be able to replicate that success over the long term, but I get why people were excited that he did pitch like an ace four times. More than some on that staff could say last year...

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

2.50 xFIP and 11 K/9 in his 4 starts.

Obviously there is an incredibly small chance that he'll be able to replicate that success over the long term, but I get why people were excited that he did pitch like an ace four times. More than some on that staff could say last year...

I think people just wanted to see the first time a pitchers arm literally flew off his body during a game.

He could have pitched that well in 15 games, I wouldn't rely on him stay healthy long enough to make it worth it. We already have Buchholz. Beane can take that chance, a team with aspirations to contend cannot.

 

[kieckeredinthehead]

This board complains about having too much "mediocre starting pitching" and not enough "ace starting pitching" yet some are disappointed Rich Hill didn't re-sign with the Red Sox for $6m.

It's almost like there are multiple people posting, some of whom complain about one thing and others about something else.

 

[Rasputin]

I think people just wanted to see the first time a pitchers arm literally flew off his body during a game.
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Dave Dravecky

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

It's almost like there are multiple people posting, some of whom complain about one thing and others about something else.

Quoted for wisdom

I think this accounts for 90% of the faulty perceptions on this board

 

[strek1]

With all the pitching help we need I don't get why we didn't sign him

 

[Bigpupp]

With all the pitching help we need I don't get why we didn't sign him

Would you have been willing to guarantee him a starting spot?

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

No. And we don't need more wild cards either.

 

[DanoooME]

And pay him $6M for the privilege?