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Wallach was bugging me this morning - not sure why, except his interrupting is more noticable now.

He needs to go back to selling Shazawi.
 

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So Theo was on Toucher and Rich this morning. While discussing the offseason, there were a couple of interesting tidbits.

1. During the negotiation with Bay, a few things occurred that made it clear to them they would likely not retain Bay. After reading JMOH's post in the Big Show thread, I think this probably refers to the injury issues.

2. It became clear very early that Halliday would command more money than they thought him worth and that to wait around would have hamstrung them.

3. On goofy statement ... when speaking about run prevention and its important he referred to the 2003 team stating that their holes in the pitching staff was the reason they didn't win. They didn't win because GRADY LEFT PEDRO IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I feel better.

A few other tidbits but overall I think T&R did ok with the interview other than spending too much time talking about the HOF balloting.
 

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Strangely, the interview with Rob Schneider of all people was quite compelling. He really seemed to know and care about sports and it didn't feel like a typical press junket. I was shocked that I was sitting in my car at work still listening to what was supposed to be a generic plug of a mediocre comedian.
 

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I thought that this was a really good interview and the reason why was because of the HOF stuff. I think that Theo was expecting the two to drop it when he gave a BS answer ("I don't care, blah, blah, blah.") but when Toucher (?) said, "Theo you're my age, you grew up watching these guys, who do you think should make the HOF?" I thought that was a pretty interesting way with connecting with the guy and Epstein went on about how Dwight Evans gets hosed and how he'd be more appreciated if he played now, etc. That was cool, because it wouldn't have happened if he was on another show.

This is one of my main gripes with broadcast media types, they don't push hard enough. T&R pushed just a little bit and Epstein gave a good answer. What's the worst that can happen if you push, the guy will freak out? That's good for you. Chances are he'll answer your question in a thoughtful way and everyone wins.
 

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He's not going to do it.

He'll walk like a mile, find something shiny and fall into the river, never to be seen again.
 

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QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Jan 7 2010, 11:58 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2757933
This is one of my main gripes with broadcast media types, they don't push hard enough. T&R pushed just a little bit and Epstein gave a good answer. What's the worst that can happen if you push, the guy will freak out? That's good for you. Chances are he'll answer your question in a thoughtful way and everyone wins.


First let me say that I agree with you. I often wish that the reporters/radio people/whoever would be less willing to take the stock answer and actually push for something a little bit more insightful. Having said that, what I think they worry about is access. Theo is taking time out of his day to call in to their program and answer some of their questions. He doesn't have to do that, and in any of these types of situations if the host/whoever pushes too hard when the person doesn't really want to answer their questions, it will make that person less inclined to offer their time in the future. It's the same thing with politics (which frustrates me to no end). However in this case, I'm glad they pushed because it was unrelated to the Red Sox, and the way he connected with Theo on a personal "remember when you were a fan" kind of way was a nice touch
 

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I completely agree with the access thing and I was going to put something in my original answer about it. But, at some point a reporter should worry about what the listener/viewer is getting out of the appearance. The EEI interviews are fucking boring as shit, Belichick doesn't say anything, Brady sounds like he's asleep, Tito doesn't reveal anything. At some point you have to determine whether going through the motions is even worth it.

I know that you have sponsors to deal with and their dicks get wet when they can say that they promote the Subway Tom Brady Dunkin Donuts Honey Dew Question of the McDonald's Morning! And I understand that sponsorships and ad revenues are what makes the make the shows go 'round, but there is never any insight gleaned from any of these conversations.

"So Tom, three busted ribs yesterday, how do you feel?"
"Great, John! Never better."
"Good. So what do you think of the Ravens?"
"Really good team, Gerry!"
"Awesome! See you next week!"

Today was different since Epstein is rarely ever on the station and he was promoting a charity. I guess T&R thought that they could go a bit farther.
 

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QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Jan 7 2010, 01:13 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2758054
I completely agree with the access thing and I was going to put something in my original answer about it. But, at some point a reporter should worry about what the listener/viewer is getting out of the appearance. The EEI interviews are fucking boring as shit, Belichick doesn't say anything, Brady sounds like he's asleep, Tito doesn't reveal anything. At some point you have to determine whether going through the motions is even worth it.

I know that you have sponsors to deal with and their dicks get wet when they can say that they promote the Subway Tom Brady Dunkin Donuts Honey Dew Question of the McDonald's Morning! And I understand that sponsorships and ad revenues are what makes the make the shows go 'round, but there is never any insight gleaned from any of these conversations.

"So Tom, three busted ribs yesterday, how do you feel?"
"Great, John! Never better."
"Good. So what do you think of the Ravens?"
"Really good team, Gerry!"
"Awesome! See you next week!"

Today was different since Epstein is rarely ever on the station and he was promoting a charity. I guess T&R thought that they could go a bit farther.


Let me clarify. Personally I wasn't interested in Theo's take on the HOF so I thought it went on too long. The interview style on the other hand was effective because they seemed to "connect" with Theo. Later in the interview, Theo acknowledged that by saying I know it seems like a boring interview if I keep saying "I don't want to comment about stuff". So in that sense, the interview was a good one.
 

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I think it also comes down to how likely it is that they will even answer the question if you push them. A perfect example of this is a Bill Belichick press conference after a loss, or if something controversial happens. He has his 3 x 5 note card that has the phrases of the day "we're focused on next week's opponent" "we did what we wanted" and you can push him as hard as you want and rephrase it any way you want, he's not going to give you anything that's even remotely useful. I think the fact that the question wasn't related to the Red Sox or Theo's job in particular allowed them to push a little bit harder because he actually had a chance of responding. If they'd talked to him a couple of weeks ago and said "So how's that Jason Bay negotiation going?" they weren't going to get dick.

As for your second sentence, if the reporter has to make a choice between a segment that offered the viewer/listener something of substance, and a segment that got good ratings, it's pretty obvious what they are going to choose. It would be nice if the two things went hand in hand, but sadly that's not always or even often the case.
 

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QUOTE (Mr Jums @ Jan 7 2010, 01:24 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2758068
As for your second sentence, if the reporter has to make a choice between a segment that offered the viewer/listener something of substance, and a segment that got good ratings, it's pretty obvious what they are going to choose. It would be nice if the two things went hand in hand, but sadly that's not always or even often the case.

Here is the thing though, sports radio hosts aren't reporters, they are entertainers. Part of the Big Show's appeal to many people is the conversation with BB every week, if they lose him, they lose listeners and ratings so they can't do anything to risk that access.
 

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QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Jan 7 2010, 03:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2758306
Here is the thing though, sports radio hosts aren't reporters, they are entertainers. Part of the Big Show's appeal to many people is the conversation with BB every week, if they lose him, they lose listeners and ratings so they can't do anything to risk that access.


That's sort of what I was saying about it being unfortunate that the two things don't go hand in hand. They have the choice of the ratings, which involves not pushing the guest, accepting their clichés, and continuing to have that guest provide a ratings boost for the station, or pushing the guest on questions they don't necessarily want to answer, which would be a more fruitful experience for the listener but at the same time would probably limit access and consequently hurt the ratings. It would be nice if both were possible in more situations, but as EEI has shown intelligent discourse and ratings don't necessarily go together.
 

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I don't know if anyone else heard it this morning, but the guys were criticizing BB's press conference for all the non-responsive answers and generally being a dick. It wasn't a total pile on, but they were pretty critical. Then a caller called up and said something like: "Get your heads out of your asses and stop criticizing BB, if you know what's good for you."

One of the guys (not sure which one, but it wasn't the flash guy) went on a semi-epic rant about the fact that you don't have to fucking genuflect to BB if he's actually done a poor job at something. He couldn't believe the mindset that someone like the head coach and personnel guy could be beyond reproach in some fans' minds. He ended his rant by saying" "if you want to just waive pom poms all day, then go ahead and click over to WEEI in the afternoon." He actually named WEEI the station. It was extremely entertaining and sounded genuine.
 

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That was Fred's rant (which are entertaining when he gets going).

That said, I thought him, Rich, and Crash were being idiotic during that bit and sounded like a bunch of babies. They were being ridiculously over the top about BB's press conference, but then that turned into "if you disagree with me, you genuflect at the altar of Belichick and he's never wrong." The rant itself had a lot of truth to it, it's just that the impetus for it was pretty stupid. Fred did make some decent points though, and it sure was entertaining.

Rich and Crash obviously had no idea what they were talking about and basically made fools of themselves. That was one of the few bits where I vehemently disagreed with a lot of what was being said.
 

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Yea that was brutally bad radio and they seemed so out of touch. Credit to them for dropping it very quickly though, I think they realized it after a bunch of calls/texts, etc.
 

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I want to say it was around 8:45-9:00. Either the last bit of hour 3 or the very first bit of hour 4.
 

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It was around 8:30-8:40. It was pretty bad. It just struck me as members of the media being mad that Belichik wouldn't answer their questions and give them a story. It was disappointing because I don't usually see T & R as "sports media" types. Pretty pathetic.
 

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I didn't hear the entire rant, but come on. Part of Belichick's job is to address the media and the fans and when you give the same monotone answer to every question you aren't doing that job. If this board can get giggle fits out of Rex Ryan giving a bad press conference then I think it should have the amount of self-awareness necessary to realize that press conference was a complete joke.

I have a lot more forgiveness for players - no part of what makes them good at their job should also make them good public speakers or interviews. But the head coach? A major part of his job is communication.
 

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QUOTE (smastroyin @ Jan 12 2010, 10:51 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2767794
I didn't hear the entire rant, but come on. Part of Belichick's job is to address the media and the fans and when you give the same monotone answer to every question you aren't doing that job. If this board can get giggle fits out of Rex Ryan giving a bad press conference then I think it should have the amount of self-awareness necessary to realize that press conference was a complete joke.

I have a lot more forgiveness for players - no part of what makes them good at their job should also make them good public speakers or interviews. But the head coach? A major part of his job is communication.


I guess I just don't care too much about that part of his job. I'm more concerned with his job at a football coach and if he feels keeping information in house is the best way to run the team then I'm cool with that.

What bothered me more was the tone of the discussion/rant. They just seemed pissed that Belichick didn't give them anything to talk about. It's probably for the better since T & R generally suck at talking about sports.
 

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I didn't hear the entire rant, but come on. Part of Belichick's job is to address the media and the fans and when you give the same monotone answer to every question you aren't doing that job. If this board can get giggle fits out of Rex Ryan giving a bad press conference then I think it should have the amount of self-awareness necessary to realize that press conference was a complete joke.

The point is that is what he has done for almost 10 years here, win or lose. This was nothing new. They treated it as if it was a first and he was that way because they lost. He is that way no matter what, what do you want him to say other than what he did? He took all responsibility, do people really want him to single out guys or whatever? I don't get it. What do you expect to get out of that? How many coaches really give anything good right after a game that you either don't know, or isn't a sports cliche? They were way off-base and sounded out of touch. And I like them.
 

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QUOTE (Gambler7 @ Jan 12 2010, 01:30 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2768033
The point is that is what he has done for almost 10 years here, win or lose. This was nothing new. They treated it as if it was a first and he was that way because they lost. He is that way no matter what, what do you want him to say other than what he did? He took all responsibility, do people really want him to single out guys or whatever? I don't get it. What do you expect to get out of that? How many coaches really give anything good right after a game that you either don't know, or isn't a sports cliche? They were way off-base and sounded out of touch. And I like them.

I live for Belichick treating the media like sh*t after a loss, it's the only thing that cheers me up. What could he have possibly have said that would have made people happy after yesterdays loss? There's nothing, absolutely nothing.
 

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Pissing off the media is great when you're winning, but when you're losing it gives the media a desire to stick their daggers into you.

The media suck and all that, but I'd like a coach to say a little bit about the team without feeling like it's Chinese water torture. Bill Walsh had plenty of spats with the Bay Area media, but he always respected their jobs. I don't think it's really worth the trouble when you can give a little bit of insight and be done with it.
 

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And Belichick did that yesterday in his season-ending press conference, as he always does the day after a game when he has had a little time to look at film and reflect. He never, ever gives details immediately after a game. As he said to one answer, the game just ended ten minutes ago. Again, credit to Toucher and Rich for saying they would let it go if he came out and gave some answers on Monday, and as far as I heard, they did.
 

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My whole problem with the whole rant was as follows:

Belichick has repeatedly said that he won't make any comments, positive or negative, when emotions are high after a big win or loss in case he might regret them later, so he prefers to say nothing post-game and open up during the week. I'd say this game was as embarrassing as it gets for him on the field, and he was probably pretty pissed off at his team, coaches, and himself.

If anything, his attitude was pretty revealing in and of itself. I received multiple texts about how pissed off he was at the team from my friends, who based their comments on how he was responding. The non-answers were pretty telling.

Compare that with the fact that he then comes to his press conference on Monday and gives well thought out and expansive answers (for him). Taking all that into account (and knowing how he works), I thought T+R whining and crying that he wouldn't answer any questions was childish and overreacting. It only stuck out to me because they rarely fall into that trap and I usually end up agreeing with Fred's take on a lot of the issues pertaining to athletes and the media in general.

Edit: Yeah...what Gambler said.
 

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QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Jan 13 2010, 08:15 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2768847
I can't remember the last time I have laughed as hard at this show as I have today.


I wasn't planning on listening...what's happening?
 

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I wasn't planning on listening...what's happening?

I was listening from about 7:20-8, around 7:30 or so until 8 it was hilarious.

No bits, but busting on Wallach and the coffee mug with his kids on it, making fun of Tennessee Sports callers, Fred making fun of his pregnant wife. It was great radio, I'd check out the podcast for that 30 or 45 minutes at least.
 

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At 8:00, they had a pretty good bit. They did a game where callers had to guess how many "smacks, grunts, and coughs" Bill Belichick made while responding to each question during the press conference. It's never something I noticed, but he does indeed make that smacking noise with his lips about 6 times on average, during each question.

Anyway, it doesn't seem as funny when I read my own recap of it; you have to hear it to appreciate it.
 

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They also interviewed Adolfo and after the interview they played eye of the tiger with all different kinds of grunts and noises Adolfo has made. I was laughing pretty hard at this as well. I am sure they have played it before but it was the first time I had heard it.
 

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Just as an affirmation of their interviewing skills, they made an in-studio appearance with Sinbad an interesting listen today. Sinbad!
 

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I really enjoyed the interview they did with Kevin McHale today.

They certainly have more of a conversational tone to their interviews, and I think in a lot of cases it helps to "open" the guest up. I thought they got a lot of great comments out of McHale.
 

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I agree with the sentiments regarding their interviewing skills, and yes, I was stunned how well the interview with Sinbad was.

But nothing will ever top the interview with those two insufferable douches from Incubus a few years ago. That was some of the best radio of all time.
 

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QUOTE (Haunted @ Jan 18 2010, 05:20 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2775611
But nothing will ever top the interview with those two insufferable douches from Incubus a few years ago.


Wow, there ratings in the 14-19 year old girl demo must have spiked that day. Did they have Dane Cook on right after them?
 

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QUOTE (Salem's Lot @ Jan 18 2010, 05:51 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2775644
Wow, there ratings in the 14-19 year old girl demo must have spiked that day. Did they have Dane Cook on right after them?


Fred was shitfaced while interviewing them, while Crash & Bradley Jay did absolutely nothing to toss him a lifeline.

Scoff if you will, but it was hysterical.
 

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QUOTE (URISoxFan @ Jan 18 2010, 06:06 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2775657
Fred was shitfaced while interviewing them, while Crash & Bradley Jay did absolutely nothing to toss him a lifeline.

Scoff if you will, but it was hysterical.


My bad, Incubus has become a running joke in RMPS, I forgot I was in the media forum. I'm sure the interview was hilarious.
 

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I almost drove off the road this morning when I heard Faster Guy. And I was the passenger.

How I love thee, Faster Guy.
 

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what is this clip of the drunk Crash they are playing? Holy god, I am in tears. When was this? Anyone who did not hear this needs to, I think it started right about 9 am
 

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QUOTE (Gambler7 @ Jan 21 2010, 09:19 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2779582
what is this clip of the drunk Crash they are playing? Holy god, I am in tears. When was this? Anyone who did not hear this needs to, I think it started right about 9 am

If it's the one of him basically just yelling into the mic, it's from the Wing Bowl last year at Hooters. He basically showed up alone at 4pm for an 8pm gig, and started drinking. He was a blubbering mess.

Man, I wish they would break out some of the old clips of these guys getting hammered and recording it. They used to play drinking games at one of their houses, and would basically become unintelligible. Also, at point, they all had an elimination style tournament to see who was the best drinker. I forget the rules exactly, but the gist of it was one person would choose a drink for both of them, and they would have a set amount of time to finish it (2 mins? 5 mins?). Then the other person would choose a drink. It would keep repeating back and forth, and they'd record it all. The first person to not finish their drink, vomit, or quit lost.

It was fucking hilarious.
 

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That was some really next level radio on display this morning. Glad I managed to catch that. Can only imagine how it must've sounded in real time when it actually aired, christ.
 

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WEEI - Patrick Kennedy talk
985 - Pauly Shore interview with 2-5 RI bridesmaids in for a free wedding at a station upstairs. I couldn't stop laughing at what became of the interview, especially Pauly Shore asking a 25 yo single mom if "her son needed a father" while she gave him a hug