He had another huge year last year on a bigger stage than he’s done it before. He only needs to be 3/62 after this year for it to be worth it.
They're blowing through the lux tax:So won't that put them over $246M this year?
Yeah, I think Rosenthal is wrong about them announcing this as a 6 year/$160 million deal since that would put them well over the LT limit for this year. Didn't expect the opt out to be there.So won't that put them over $246M this year?
What the hell? They do it this way and then at the same time weren't willing to spend on the bullpen? That makes absolutely no sense.Yep.
Agreed. Don’t trade assets in season if you can get the best reliever available for cash.Now that BOS is clearly over the 3rd tier, perhaps they should re-sign Kimbrel to a 1-yr contract.
If it's best for the teamIf Sale is still good enough after 2022 to consider opting out, fine by me.
I think it was always more the multi-year commitment (and the impact on future payrolls while trying to resign Mookie/Sale/X) as opposed to going over $246M this year, $246M was a consideration but a secondary one.Definitely sign Kimbrel now that the tax has been blown through. If not, this makes absolutely no sense to structure the deal like this. There was literally no other reason not to sign him.
Agreed. They literally didn't sign ANYONE, even relatively cheap options like Robertson and Ottavino because they were so close to the cap, and now they structure this deal to go over the cap.Definitely sign Kimbrel now that the tax has been blown through. If not, this makes absolutely no sense to structure the deal like this. There was literally no other reason not to sign him.
Yes, but a week until Opening Day Kimbrel isn’t getting multiple years. The Sox would be silly not to sign him now for 1/17 or whatever the QO number was.I think it was always more the multi-year commitment (and the impact on future payrolls while trying to resign Mookie/Sale/X) as opposed to going over $246M this year, $246M was a consideration but a secondary one.
What team is giving him a multi-year deal at this point? He obviously overplayed his hand trying for the largest reliever deal in history. Now everyone is calling his bluff. How much more time can he waste and what better situation than to play another year with a championship ballclub?I think it was always more the multi-year commitment (and the impact on future payrolls while trying to resign Mookie/Sale/X) as opposed to going over $246M this year, $246M was a consideration but a secondary one.
Porcello is definitely gone, today sealed that.While 2019 will be manageable, 2020 will still be tough -- Sale, JD and Price will be making $86m, and if they extend Mookie, they'll be up to at least $110m for four guys, with a $208m cap. And that's assuming you don't re-sign X or Porcello.
Rosenthal was also incorrectly announcing it incorrectly as a 6 year/$160 million deal.how did anyone get it wrong in the first place? sheesh
I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Isn't the team still paying Manny but he doesn't count against the current LT?does the deferred money mean Sale will be on our luxury tax calculation past 2024?
Deferred money just has to do with cash flow for the team. He counts against the cap in the years he's actually under contract for the AAV of the deal.does the deferred money mean Sale will be on our luxury tax calculation past 2024?
Even better than I thought. This very well (hopefully) can be a 6 year deal at the RS option at a price for the 6th year of 20-25 MM. If he has a top 10 CY finish, the RS would exercise the 2025 option at ~20+ MM, so the fact that it vests at that point is a non-issue. In addition, the deferrals to keep the AAV down.Alex Speier @alexspeier 1h1 hour ago
Some additional stuff: 1) Deferrals give deal a CBT figure of $25.6M. Sale wanted team to have flexibility to field a great roster. 2) Team has $20M option in 2025 that vests w/top-10 Cy finish in 2024; escalators could push that to $25M based on 2023 or 2024 Cy finishes.
The Red Sox aren’t giving him anything in 2020, those are the rights of every player in the league. Speir makes it seem like they’re giving him something in the negotiation and he’s been doing a really terrible job covering this.Alex Speier @alexspeier 1h1 hour ago
Some additional stuff: 1) Deferrals give deal a CBT figure of $25.6M. Sale wanted team to have flexibility to field a great roster. 2) Team has $20M option in 2025 that vests w/top-10 Cy finish in 2024; escalators could push that to $25M based on 2023 or 2024 Cy finishes.
Alex Speier @alexspeier 52m52 minutes ago
More stuff: There are escalators that can increase Sale’s salary by up to $2M/year starting in 2021 based on Cy Young finishes the previous year. 2) When Sale reaches 10 years of service time in 2020, the Red Sox will give him 10/5 rights to veto any trades.
Sale would have the 10, but not the 5 in 2020. They are giving him something of valueThe Red Sox aren’t giving him anything in 2020, those are the rights of every player in the league. Speir makes it seem like they’re giving him something in the negotiation and he’s been doing a really terrible job covering this.
If I'm reading this right (and I may not be), you're incorrect - if he gets 10/5 rights going into 2020, that will be after only 3 years of clock time with the Sox, so he's getting that protection two years early.The Red Sox aren’t giving him anything in 2020, those are the rights of every player in the league. Speir makes it seem like they’re giving him something in the negotiation and he’s been doing a really terrible job covering this.
So it’s 3/90 for 2020-22, plus $55 million in insurance for Sale. He’s not opting into those last two years unless the first three have gone poorly and/or he’s hurt.
Or if he continues to enjoy his time in Boston and doesn't want to change teams.So it’s 3/90 for 2020-22, plus $55 million in insurance for Sale. He’s not opting into those last two years unless the first three have gone poorly and/or he’s hurt.
It’s almost certainly a good deal if Sale doesn’t get hurt, and the FO is in a better position than the rest of us to assess the likelihood of that. So I like it.
Why do you think it's likely that Sale would opt out of that. Even if he wins a couple cy youngs before then, I don't see Sale being lured away by huge dollars then. That's clearly not Sale's endgame here.So it’s 3/90 for 2020-22, plus $55 million in insurance for Sale. He’s not opting into those last two years unless the first three have gone poorly and/or he’s hurt.
It’s almost certainly a good deal if Sale doesn’t get hurt, and the FO is in a better position than the rest of us to assess the likelihood of that. So I like it.
That report was all speculation. He was basically quoting numbers that Sale could have probably gotten close to if he was a free agent coming off a healthy cy young season.So Forbes was only off by one or two years and a hundred million dollars? Not bad.
Or if he continues to enjoy his time in Boston and doesn't want to change teams.
He’d still want to at least threaten to opt out of the last two years and secure a 3rd or 4th year at that point. Just like Kershaw did last winter.Why do you think it's likely that Sale would opt out of that. Even if he wins a couple cy youngs before then, I don't see Sale being lured away by huge dollars then. That's clearly not Sale's endgame here.
Sure. And if he's still close to what he is now after that third year, I'm sure they'd be happy to give him those years.He’d still want to at least threaten to opt out of the last two years and secure a 3rd or 4th year at that point. Just like Kershaw did last winter.
Or if he continues to enjoy his time in Boston and doesn't want to change teams.