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I have a feeling this saga is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

Someone might want to tell Zab that when your past includes throwing a stool at a ref, trying to punch the same ref in the face, intentionally punching an opponent in the nuts, causing a riot in the ring, and being caught on youtube getting in a street brawl over a dice game.... people tend to not give your stories the benefit of the doubt.
 

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Toney-Rahman II is on for July 16. Word is it will be shown on FSN.
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I'm guessing the winner becomes the likely opponent for Haye's heavyweight debut. If Rahman is in any shape at all, then he beats Toney. I'm a huge Toney fan, but I think he's completely shot at this point.
 

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I'm beginning to wonder if I'll fall out of my liking of David Haye in the very near future. It's all very well bigging yourself up, it's part of the game, but his attack on Frank Warren and the rest of the Heavyweight Division was a bit OTT IMO. He's beginning to sound like Maccarinelli in the build-up to their fight and you know how much I disliked his mouthing off!

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Interesting weekend coming up. Not the most marquee of matchups, but it's always nice when you get 4 fights in one night without having to pay a PPV fee.

I actually think Ponce De Leon vs. Lopez has a chance to be the most intriguing fight of the 4. Two young, up and coming fighters with only one loss between them, in a weight class (super bantamweight) that has certainly produced its share of great fights recently.

I've never seen Lockett, but by all accounts that fight is a mismatch and Pavlik should take care of him rather easily.

I don't like immediate rematches, but it'll be interesting to see if Williams has learned anything since the first fight with Quintana. I'm rooting for Quintana, simply because I'd like the fight to help in sorting out the welters, and a Williams win would just clutter things more.

Someone convince me why I should care at all about Forrest-Mora.
 

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In an all-too-familiar story... an old, once-great fighter is reportedly now bankrupt.
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I've heard rumblings about his financial troubles, I guess it really is true. This helps explain some of the reason why he's still fighting despite being completely shot.
 

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I'm surprised, only because I didn't think he'd walk away from a 20+ million dollar payday, which he would've gotten in the Oscar rematch in September.

But I doubt this lasts. Fighters never willingly retire, they only retire when they're beaten into retirement. The money, fame, and the spotlight is too tempting. I say there's no more than a 5% chance that he stays retired. I think Mayweather will spend his 30s the same way that Ray Leonard spent most of his career. Retire for a couple years, get your ego stroked by everyone asking you to come back, have a comeback fight, retire again for 2-3 years, have another comeback, etc.
 

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So now Oscar takes on Cotto in December? I cant believe that he'd still make his September date a "big" fight because Cotto/Tony is in July and that would be a quick turnaround from what is going to be a war for Cotto. I doubt Arum would go for that trap.
 

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Random follow-up thoughts:

1. Should Cotto-Margarito now be for the Ring Welterweight Title? Mayweather owns that belt, but if he's serious about retiring, the honorable thing would be to hand back the belt. And I think the Cotto-Margarito winner would have every right to consider themselves the unquestioned champ at 147.

2. After a few years where there's been no debate at all about who the best fighter pound-for-pound in the world is... now we have a legitimate discussion on our hands.
Pacquiao or Calzaghe? I think Pacquiao is the #1 PFP fighter in the world now with Mayweather retired. Calzaghe 2nd, with Juan Manuel Marquez a very close 3rd, or maybe even tied with Calzaghe. Cotto 4th.

3. If Oscar is willing to fight Cotto, then that would seem to be the one natural big fight out there. September isn't feasible, but November/December could be. I strongly favor Cotto in that matchup.
If Oscar decides not to fight Cotto, then Cotto-Mosley II seems like a possibility for the fall/winter. (this is all under the assumption that Cotto beats Margarito, of course)

4. I was really looking forward to new 24/7 episodes with Floyd Sr. and Uncle Roger. Bummer.
 

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So now Oscar takes on Cotto in December? I cant believe that he'd still make his September date a "big" fight because Cotto/Tony is in July and that would be a quick turnaround from what is going to be a war for Cotto. I doubt Arum would go for that trap.
I really don't see Oscar fighting Cotto at this late stage of his career. He has to be smart enough to know that Cotto would give him a pretty serious beating. Why does Oscar need that?

I wouldn't be surprised to see Winky Wright get his long-sought-after shot at Oscar. Wright is on the downside of his career himself, and h's never been a hard puncher. It would definitely be a competitive fight with a name opponent, but one that for Oscar should leave him relatively unscathed.

Another possibility would be the winner of tomorrow night's fight between Sergio Mora and Vernon Forrest. If it's Forrest, then the appeal is that Oscar gets the chance to beat the guy who twice beat Shane Mosely, who twice beat Oscar. If it's Mora, well, that's another Contender fighter with a name and who would be riding high off a major upset.

I think any of those three fights, while obviously not on the magnitude of the Mayweather "event," would be big enough to generate significant PPV numbers and still leave Oscar in shape to finish out his career with an easy farewell fight in December.
 

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The first name that popped in my head as an opponent for Oscar is Shane Mosley. He's got nothing lined up and they have history.
 

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Forget Amir Khan, Britain, or Scotland to be precise, has an even younger rising star on the way. In only his 12th Pro Fight at the age of 20, Paul Appleby won the British Featherweight Title last night, something Khan hasn't even done yet. It wasn't as if it was a one-punch KO either, he went the full 12 rounds for the 1st time and got better the longer the fight went on, picking off the Champ, John Simpson, time and again. He needs to work on his defence a bit before he heads onto bigger things, but he looked great last night. Paul Appleby, remember the name... :)
 

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The first name that popped in my head as an opponent for Oscar is Shane Mosley. He's got nothing lined up and they have history.
Mosley and Oscar are business partners now though. I'm not sure a fight is feasible for that reason.

I think Forrest is a legit possibility. He's not a household name by any means, but he's recognizable enough, and he has a belt.

I always have felt that De La Hoya-Trinidad II would eventually happen, but at this point I wonder if they've just grown too far apart in weight. Tito shows no ability/desire to get below 168 anymore, and I don't see Oscar going up that high. If Tito could get to 160, I think that fight could happen. And make no mistake, despite the fact that Tito is way past his prime, that fight would still outsell all these other scenarios on PPV.

Winky is an interesting case. Winky is a more high-profile opponent than Forrest, but I don't think Oscar wants to fight him. If you look at Oscar's career, he has taken on every big opponent that's been in his path, except for Winky. And I don't think it's any coincidence that the one guy Oscar hasn't gone out of his way to fight also happens to be the one dominant southpaw of the mid-range weight classes over the last 10 years or so.

Oscar is such a left-hand dominant fighter, that southpaws are horrible matchups for him, because any smart southpaw (like Winky) can take away a conventional fighter's left hand and force him to use right leads. And that's the one thing Oscar can't do at all, throw right hands. That's why if you look at Oscar's career, he's fought one HOFer after another, but he hasn't fought a southpaw since 1997, when he fought Whitaker and Camacho.
 

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Big day of boxing, ESPN Classic replaying Chico/Casamayor and Castillo/Diego 1 after the Euros. Showtime has the Williams/Quitana rematch and Forrest/Mora overlapping HBO's card featuring Pavlik with Ponce De Leon on the undercard.
 

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Andre Berto fights Miguel Angel Rodriguez on HBO June 21 and now, in light of Mayweather's retirement, it looks like the winner of that fight will be crowned the new WBC welterweight champion. Most likely that winner will be Berto. If so, it will be interesting to see how he's brought along after winning the belt. I still consider him a prospect, albeit an advanced one. He's an exciting fighter simply by being a big knockout puncher. But he's got some pretty big flaws and has yet to face truly elite, even "gatekeeper" elite, competition (unless you count Cosme Rivera, who knocked Berto down in their fight).

Sof if Berto wins on June 21, do they go straight for the big money fights, putting him in against the Cotto-Margarito winner, or even the Quintana-Williams winner? Or do they give him a year of soft defenses?
 

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So if Berto wins on June 21, do they go straight for the big money fights, putting him in against the Cotto-Margarito winner, or even the Quintana-Williams winner? Or do they give him a year of soft defenses?
I'd say the Cotto-Margarito winner would be out of the question. First, they'd be hesitant to throw Berto right in with the guy who will be considered the #1 welter out there. Secondly, and more importantly, I think the Cotto-Margarito winner will have more lucrative options than fighting Berto, be it De La Hoya, Mosley, etc.

The Quintana-Williams winner is an interesting option. That's a possibility. Although I think Williams is going to be at 154 very soon, maybe even right after this fight tonight. So he may cease to be an option. Quintana-Berto would be an interesting "veteran boxer vs. young puncher" type of matchup. I'd like to see that.

Most likely scenario in my opinion is Berto fighting a name opponent who's not quite championship-level. Zab Judah (everyone's favorite name opponent) would seem to be the natural fit here, after he loses to Clottey in August.
 

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Paul Williams. Wow. A complete statement performance. He just blew Quintana out of the water.

Pretty good night for action with 3 KOs out of the 4 fights. Vernon looked very sluggish and almost injured. He had no legs almost from the opening bell.

But the true winner of the night is Kevin Lockett. The man with the meanest game face I have ever seen in my life. He looked like a WWF 80s bad guy.
 

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I'm pretty sure we saw De la Hoya's September opponent tonight -- Sergio Mora. The Contender and Golden Boy organizations have had a pretty good working relationship for a while now. Of course, De La Hoya fought Steve Forbes and even appeared on the most recent season of The Contender. But Mora is a now a legit opponent, not a blown-up lightweight like Forbes. He's a true title holder who if anything is a little bigger than Oscar and has the tricky, very awkward style that makes him tough on anyone. Plus, his chin and heart have always been overlooked -- and he has a name with some "general public" recognition.

Throw in the fact that it's an all-East L.A. matchup and you've got the perfect formula. Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but I feel pretty confident that we'll be bearing about a DLH-Mora fight in the works sometime in the next couple of weeks. I'd definitely give Oscar credit for that fight, too. Mora is more than capable of beating Oscar and I may even make him the slight favorite.
 

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But the true winner of the night is Kevin Lockett. The man with the meanest game face I have ever seen in my life. He looked like a WWF 80s bad guy.
Ya, if it were a staring competition, Lockett would be #1 PFP in the world. He must have spent some quality time in front of the mirror working on that gameface.

Not that surprising for Williams to win, but a 1st round KO was definitely shocking. Even in his best performances, Williams always looked like a slapper instead of a legit puncher. Maybe he's finally learned how to sit down on his punches. I'm not sure where he goes from here... does he go back to being avoided and the guy no one wants to fight? The Cotto-Margarito winner will have more lucrative options than a fight with Williams.

The big thing is... his team needs to keep him active. After he beat Margarito, he sat around for 8 months instead of getting right back in the ring and building on the momentum. If he can't find a top guy who's willing to fight him, then he needs to take lesser fights and stay sharp.

Big performance by Lopez. Again, I'm not surprised he won, I thought he had a chance to outbox Ponce de Leon, but the 1st round KO was an eye-opener. I'd like to see Lopez get a shot at either Vazquez or Marquez. Mexico vs. PR fights will always sell. If both Vazquez and Marquez want some more time off (and they sure have earned it), maybe Lopez fights Caballero, who's the other guy to beat Ponce de Leon.

Pavlik didn't miss a beat. If Abraham beats Miranda, I'm guessing we see Pavlik-Abraham in the fall. And that would be a legit middleweight title fight and one I'd look forward to. If Miranda upsets Abraham, will he want any part of Pavlik after getting destroyed the first time they fought? I doubt it, and he can't make 160 anymore anyway. So let's hope for an Abraham win.
 

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Paul Williams. Wow. A complete statement performance. He just blew Quintana out of the water.

Pretty good night for action with 3 KOs out of the 4 fights. Vernon looked very sluggish and almost injured. He had no legs almost from the opening bell.

But the true winner of the night is Kevin Lockett. The man with the meanest game face I have ever seen in my life. He looked like a WWF 80s bad guy.
I was at the fight and Williams just dominated from the getgo. He had that look coming out of the tunnel that he meant business. Forrest looked decent early on but he started to tire in the mid rounds and Mora just punished him the rest of the way.
 

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Can't say I'm disappointed in Gary Lockett, because I'd never heard of him before! I was very impressed with Pavlik's power and accuracy though. Even when Lockett seemed to have his gloves tight, he fired both hands through the tiniest of gaps and sent Lockett reeling.

Lopez was just stunning. I'd heard all about Ponce de Leon and was looking forward to my 1st chance to see him live and, initially, I was impressed, then Lopez slammed him and it was 'Goodnight'. Hugely impressive from Lopez.

Don't know if you guys got to see any of the other undercard bouts but, if you did, what was your take on young Brit Kevin Mitchell? You may remember that I mentioned Mitchell's all-British war with Carl Johanneson as a FTOY contender and this was his 1st bout in the USA. He struggled a bit with late replacement Walter Estrada in their Junior Lighweight bout, Estrada was an awkward southpaw when Mitchell had been training to face an orthodox Righty, and ate a few solid shots, but Mitchell put him down for good in the 5th with a strange body shot. He hit Estrada above his hands, seemingly in his lower chest (solar plexus possibly?) and, though Estrada beat the count, he was ruled not fit to continue. With an unbeaten record of 27-0 and KO power (20 inside the distance), he's the kind of fighter the Public seems to love. He's only 23 and has a fair bit to work on, but I think he can go places.
 

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Random follow-up thoughts:

1. Should Cotto-Margarito now be for the Ring Welterweight Title? Mayweather owns that belt, but if he's serious about retiring, the honorable thing would be to hand back the belt. And I think the Cotto-Margarito winner would have every right to consider themselves the unquestioned champ at 147.
I believe the #1 and #2 ranked fighters would have to fight for it to be for the Ring belt. The most recent rankings(before this past weekend) in Welterweight are

1 MIGUEL COTTO 32-0 (26)
2 SHANE MOSLEY 44-5 (37)
3 CARLOS QUINTANA 25-1 (19)
4 PAUL WILLIAMS 33-1 (24)
5 ANTONIO MARGARITO 36-5 (26)

Obviously Quintana drops to at least #4, maybe to #5, and Cotto beat Mosley previously.

So to answer your question..I don't know. This is where the Ring titles get confusing to me.

I think Cotto would have to either fight Mosley again or fight Williams.
 

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I believe the #1 and #2 ranked fighters would have to fight for it to be for the Ring belt. The most recent rankings(before this past weekend) in Welterweight are

1 MIGUEL COTTO 32-0 (26)
2 SHANE MOSLEY 44-5 (37)
3 CARLOS QUINTANA 25-1 (19)
4 PAUL WILLIAMS 33-1 (24)
5 ANTONIO MARGARITO 36-5 (26)

Obviously Quintana drops to at least #4, maybe to #5, and Cotto beat Mosley previously.

So to answer your question..I don't know. This is where the Ring titles get confusing to me.

I think Cotto would have to either fight Mosley again or fight Williams.
Ya, I believe you're right about there having to be a #1 vs. #2 matchup in order to win the vacated belt. If Cotto wins, and Oscar chooses not to fight him, I think a Mosley rematch is a very real possibility, so maybe this does get solved rather quickly, just not on the night of Cotto-Margarito.

And fwiw, if Margarito upsets Cotto, I would definitely bump him all the way to #1 in the welter rankings. Can't wait for that fight.
 

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Just a follow-up to the Ring rankings discussion... first "post-Mayweather" rankings released:

PFP
1. Pacquiao
2. Calzaghe
3. JM Marquez
4. Hopkins (too high IMO)
5. Vazquez
6. Cotto
7. Pavlik
8. Mijares
9. R Marquez
10. Calderon

Welterweight belt now vacant.
Top Contenders:
1. Cotto
2. Mosley
3. Williams
4. Margarito
 

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Dan Rafael from ESPN just got the scoop on what Golden Boy has got planned for the rest of the year:
1)Oscar will not be fighting in September, and instead will be fighting his final fight on December 6, possibly against Miguel Cotto
2)Casamoyer/JMM will be going at it on ppv in September
3)Mosley will be fighting Sergio Mora on ppv in October
4)Juan Diaz and Michael Katsidis will be fighting in September
5)David Haye will be fighting TBA in December.

After reading all this I've lost more respect for Golden Boy Promotions because all they've been saying is that they're going to do whats right for the sport. But I can tell you right now having Shane Mosley and Sergio Mora fighting on ppv is not going to help the sport in any way. Hell, Casamoyer/JMM is a fight thats going to be interesting but that probably doesn't belong on ppv either. Diaz/Kats should be a hell of a scrap and is probably the only fight that I would go out of my way to see.
 

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Dan Rafael from ESPN just got the scoop on what Golden Boy has got planned for the rest of the year:
1)Oscar will not be fighting in September, and instead will be fighting his final fight on December 6, possibly against Miguel Cotto
2)Casamoyer/JMM will be going at it on ppv in September
3)Mosley will be fighting Sergio Mora on ppv in October
4)Juan Diaz and Michael Katsidis will be fighting in September
5)David Haye will be fighting TBA in December.
1. If Oscar does fight Cotto, I'll give him a lot of credit, since I'd make Cotto a very solid favorite in that fight. I hope it comes together, that would be a very big event and a huge PPV seller. Not nearly as big as Oscar-Floyd, but big.
2. That's a purist's fight. Two old-school technicians against one another. I make Marquez a solid favorite, despite the fact he'll be at a new weight class. Looks to me that a Marquez win would set up Pacquiao-Marquez III down the road in a unification fight at 135.
3. That PPV will do awful numbers. I give Mora a very solid chance. I've always felt that Mosley is a true welterweight and that moving up to 154 makes him less effective.
4. Would have been more interesting four months ago, now it's a loser's bracket fight. It will be interesting to see how these guys look. Katsidis is coming off a big KO loss, Diaz took a beating against Campbell, usually you ease guys back into it with some easy fights. This would figure to be a war.
5. I assume against the winner of Rahman-Toney II.
 

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3)Mosley will be fighting Sergio Mora on ppv in October
Mosley/Mora is off due to Mora having a mandatory challenger as well as Vernon Forrest using his rematch clause. Instead, we will get Mosley vs. Mayorga. Disappointing that Mosley has to wait 11 months to fight and ends up with Mayorga. That's a win that will do pretty much nothing for him heading forward.
 

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Wow. Just watched Showtime's broadcast of the first fight between IBF middleweight champ Arthur Abraham and Edison Miranda. The fight took place in Germany back in September 2006 and, though it's been on YouTube for a while, had never aired on U.S. TV before.

I'd known it was a wild one, but, holy crap! You've got to see this one to believe it. Boxing produces displays of grit, guts and determination more than any other sport -- but I've rarely seen one like this, put on by Abraham. On top of that, it's a wild, foul-filled brawl in which Miranda is deducted five count 'em five points, yet somehow is not disqualified. Referee Randy Newman (the former boxer, not the singer-songwriter of "Short People" and "I Love L.A.") turns in one of the most bizarre jobs of officiating I've ever seen, in a sport where the officiating often makes the NBA look on the up-and-up. Well, maybe not quite, but still. I don't want to spoil it any firther for anyone reading this who doesn't already know what happened. Just take my advice and check it out.

Anyway, I am now extremely psyched for this weekend's rematch (on Showtime). But I strongly recommend checking out Abtaham Miranda I which should air on Showtime (or Showtime 2) a few more times this week leading up to the live fight on Saturday.
 

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Anyway, I am now extremely psyched for this weekend's rematch (on Showtime).
Ya, I'm excited for this one too. Should be a brawl. I'd like to see Abraham win, just because if he's impressive, it will create some momentum and hype for a Pavlik-Abraham fight later this year.

Interesting weekend coming up. Besides Abraham-Miranda II, you've got Berto fighting on HBO, Khan fighting in the UK, and Kessler finally making his comeback in Denmark.
 

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Wow. Just watched Showtime's broadcast of the first fight between IBF middleweight champ Arthur Abraham and Edison Miranda. The fight took place in Germany back in September 2006 and, though it's been on YouTube for a while, had never aired on U.S. TV before.

I'd known it was a wild one, but, holy crap! You've got to see this one to believe it.
I watched this as well last night. A "brawl" might not even do it justice. Two fighters out to mame each another, without even so much as throwing more than 10 jabs each the entire 12 rounds, was somewhat shocking. It was haymaker city. Not to mention, the balls Abraham showed with that busted jaw from round 4 that swelled to the size of a melon was beyond impressive. Add that to the disgusting tactics from Miranda with more low blows than I've ever seen in a fight,and the intentional headbutt mid-fight, and it was quite a show. I couldn't even believe what I was watching after a short while. It was tranwreck TV...and I loved it. Can't wait for the rematch.
 

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I'm really looking forward to Saturday, as a couple of the fights have the potential to be all-out brawls.

For those that don't know anything about Amir Khan's opponent Michael Gomez, I strongly suggest you read the BBC article below. He has led such a colourful life they are making a film about him, which is due to be released in November! :colbert: He also has one big victory on his resume, beating an up-and-coming Alex Arthur to a pulp in 2003. Arthur is, of course, now the WBO Super-Featherweight World Champion. Gomez never takes a backward step and if he can land a couple of his big lefts, it could be an interesting night for Khan. Of course, Khan has his usual massive height and reach advantage for a Lightweight, so if he's got any sense he'll step back and counter-punch from range, though we all know he can't resist a tear-up, so we'll see.

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I think Gomez is a little one dimensional, Khan leaves himself open and unless he tightens up his defence he will get tagged as soon as he meets a quality opponent but I don't think Gomez has the power or quality to take advantage.

Expect Khan to soften him up with has jab and reach advantage before going in for the finish in round 5 or 6 but first few rounds could get interesting if Khan gets sucked into a brawl.
 

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Jesus, Gomez is taking everything and STILL coming forward, Khan needs to get some distance and quick. Gomez was once the best fighter to watch in Britain, looks like he's out to entertain again!
 

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Entertaining night of fights.

Impressive win by Abraham. From what I've been reading, it appears that both Pavlik and Abraham will be fighting someone else next, which is disappointing. Pavlik vs. Abraham is a legit middleweight title fight right now and is a fight that I would definitely prefer to see in the fall. But if they want to each take one more fight to build themselves up, I can't really complain.

Berto is the whole package offensively. Hand speed, power in both hands, ability to throw punches in combination, etc. Defensively though, I think he could use some tweaking. He seems to be employing a version of the "Michigan" style of defense, with the right hand by the head and the left arm across the stomach. That's a great style if you're 100% comfortable with it, but it's a style with a lot of holes if you're not comfortable with it. Off the top of my head, the only guys I've seen who are great with that style are Mayweather and Toney, and when it comes to defensive IQ, Berto isn't Mayweather or Toney (very few are). And a key part of that style is blocking punches with the lead shoulder, and I don't see Berto doing much of that either. I wonder if he might be better off working on some more conventional defensive stuff. Anyway, hopefully we see Berto in the ring next against a legit Top 10 welter, someone of the Judah/Quintana/Collazo ilk.

I hope to get a chance to see the Khan fight on youtube over the next couple days.

Pacquiao-Diaz coming up next week. Unless Pacquiao is completely undertrained/unfocused/overconfident, this should be a clear victory for him. Diaz is tough, but very limited. I'll be paying the PPV fee for this one, just because there hasn't been a PPV in a while, and because Pacquiao (for the moment, at least) is the #1 fighter in the world, meaning he's a must-see every time out.
 

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Khans fights are always exciting, Gomez put in a great performance but was always up against it given that he is past his best and fighting above his weight. Khan has fast hands and decent power and I really like watching him fight but he also has the dangerous combination of getting hit easily and not having very good punch resistance. Just can't see him surviving as soon as he meets and gets tagged by a quality opponent.
 

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Khans fights are always exciting, Gomez put in a great performance but was always up against it given that he is past his best and fighting above his weight. Khan has fast hands and decent power and I really like watching him fight but he also has the dangerous combination of getting hit easily and not having very good punch resistance. Just can't see him surviving as soon as he meets and gets tagged by a quality opponent.
Gomez got two good punches the whole fight. One was a knockdown and the other probably broke a rib. Khan is going to face someone who hits just as hard but is much quicker than Gomez (who was glacial). Frank Warren said today Khan isn't ready and he's right on.
 

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Calzaghe splits w/ Warren, and Pavlik-Mora might happen in the fall.

Rafael:
The dominoes began to fall Tuesday when light heavyweight and super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe ended his relationship with promoter Frank Warren.

That Calzaghe severed ties with Warren means he will try to finalize a fall showdown with Roy Jones Jr. rather than a fight with middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik, which Warren was pushing.

It also means Pavlik, who will also fight in the fall before a likely unification bout with Arthur Abraham in early 2009, may bide his time by defending against Sergio Mora, the first-season winner of "The Contender" who claimed a junior middleweight belt by upsetting Vernon Forrest on June 7.
 

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Wow, how lame is the Middleweight Division? Three of the past five title defenses in the States have seen the Champ take on a Junior Middy (Taylor vs. Ouma, Taylor vs. Spinks and Pavlik vs. Mora). A few months ago I would have been psyched to see Pavlik bang out Mora (still steamed over the Mora/Manfredo 2 decision as well as Mora's matchmaking in 06/07). Since he beat Forrest, I have a lot more respect for Mora and don't necessarily want to see him as a lamb yet.

I'm excited for a Calzaghe/Jones fight. Roy would be somewhat of a live dog and it's the kind of fight that could allow Joe to be showcased in the States. Any chance this fight won't be on PPV?
 

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I'm excited for a Calzaghe/Jones fight. Roy would be somewhat of a live dog and it's the kind of fight that could allow Joe to be showcased in the States. Any chance this fight won't be on PPV?
My initial reaction is that it would be on PPV, but it might depend on where the fight is. HBO reportedly doesn't like doing PPVs overseas, so if the fight is in the UK, maybe they'll broadcast it on regular HBO instead. I've almost stopped trying to figure out what's a PPV-worthy fight and what's not these days, since the decisions always seem to hinge more on budgeting/scheduling stuff, as opposed to the simple question of whether it's a big enough fight or not.

As for the fight itself, I'd pick Calzaghe to win a somewhat-sloppy decision based on punch output, just like he did over Hopkins. Jones is still faster than average in terms of handspeed, but his legs are shot and he can't fight 12 full hard rounds anymore.
 

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Looks like it's tentatively set for September 20th.

Roy Jones Jr insists he will fight unbeaten boxing hero Joe Calzaghe at light-heavyweight this autumn. The veteran American legend claims he and Welsh two-weight world champion Calzaghe will clash on 20 September, probably at The MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
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Weigh-in:
Pacquiao- 134 1/2
Diaz- 135

Yahoo is streaming the untelevised pre-PPV part of the undercard tomorrow night at 6:30. Not that there's anyone good on that part of the undercard, but hey, it's free.

Fwiw, while I still think Pacquiao clearly wins, I do think there's a good chance this goes the full distance, or very close to it. Diaz is a very big lightweight, so he shouldn't be blown away by Pacquiao's strength at all. How he handles Manny's speed is a whole other matter, but I think he can at least be competitive and drag the fight into the late rounds.

Looks like Calzaghe-Jones is getting very close. They got the September 20th date in Vegas from HBO PPV that was supposed to go to Floyd-Oscar II.

There's also starting to be a lot of buzz that Oscar is looking more and more at Felix Trinidad in December as opposed to Cotto. I can't say I'm surprised, since I've felt for years that the Trinidad rematch was the one fight Oscar really wanted more than any other. No matter how much weight he'd be giving up, I think that's smart for Oscar. At this point, a 147 pound Cotto is more dangerous than an old, rusty ~165 pound Tito. And I say this as a huge Trinidad fan.