Interesting profile on Olympic heavyweight Michael Hunter. Has anyone seen him in action?
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/15/americas_heavyweight_hope/
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/15/americas_heavyweight_hope/
Who are you displacing, Pacquiao? I don't know if I'd go that far yet, and you still have to account for Martinez - pending next week - and Donaire.Is Ward #2 pound for pound right now?
While I agree on the quality of the fight, they are now teetering on the brink of parody. Not sure I'm even excited about it in the least, to be honest.Pacquiao-Marquez IV on December 8 in Vegas.
I'm not crazy about it, but it's a much better fight than the other reported options (rematches against Cotto or Bradley).
There seems to be a lot of talk of Canelo-Cotto, which I like a lot, but Cotto is fighting in December, so I assume he wouldn't want to fight again until at least May 2013. And I assume that fight only happens if Cotto wins in December but doesn't look TOO good doing so.BGrif, who do you think Alvarez will fight next?
Great fight. One of those rare occasions when a fight gets a ton of advanced hype, and yet manages to exceed the hype.There"s a wild one on HBO right now. Alvarado-Rios. Punch-fest.
Those are two different questions, right? Pound for pound would have to go to PBF now, but I'd still say Manny would have a 30-40% shot at beating Mayweather. Remember, styles make fights; after Foreman crushed Frazier and Ali dominated Foreman, would you have written off Frazier's chances against Ali? Would Dempsey have knocked Jack Johnson down a dozen times if they'd fought?Guess we can put to bed the whole best pound for pound he would beat Mayweather thing, right?
More to the point, one punch like this shouldn't change your evaluation of fighters dramatically. It means something, but it's easy to overestimate it especially in the immediate afterglow.Those are two different questions, right? Pound for pound would have to go to PBF now, but I'd still say Manny would have a 30-40% shot at beating Mayweather. Remember, styles make fights; after Foreman crushed Frazier and Ali dominated Foreman, would you have written off Frazier's chances against Ali? Would Dempsey have knocked Jack Johnson down a dozen times if they'd fought?
True; getting caught once in 50+ rounds by a HoF caliber fighter shouldn't mean much, but that's kind of the nature of sports, no? Getting knocked out in a championship fight is like missing a game winning 18 footer, or 9th inning hanging curve. It ultimately shouldn't mean much when weighed against an entire career's legacy - and every great but Rocky lost at least one fight - but, shit, it strips any aura of invincibility when you go down like that. That said, JMM hits harder than PBF, though if Manny's susceptible to straight counterpunches, well that's Floyd's thing, no?More to the point, one punch like this shouldn't change your evaluation of fighters dramatically. It means something, but it's easy to overestimate it especially in the immediate afterglow.
I love these post-fight interviews.
"Manny, I assume you haven't yet seen the video of yourself getting knocked the fuck out. Here it is. Tell me about it."
edit: I look forward to the photos of the Romneys in the background of the KO. Mitt with raw unfiltered emotion!!
If you fight long enough and face enough elite opponents, at some point you're going to get hit with a perfect punch and get knocked out cold.More to the point, one punch like this shouldn't change your evaluation of fighters dramatically. It means something, but it's easy to overestimate it especially in the immediate afterglow.
I think you could make a credible argument that it means less that Pacquiao lost on a freak knockout to JMM than that Floyd ended up getting caught against the ropes again and again by a plodding and beat-to-hell Cotto, who I respect the Hell out of, but who doesn't belong in a conversation with the other 3.If you fight long enough and face enough elite opponents, at some point you're going to get hit with a perfect punch and get knocked out cold.
The only downside of this great fight is that some people will make the ridiculous argument that this makes it OK that the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight never happened.
What a great win for Marquez. A HOF fighter who's always been stuck in the shadows for one reason or another.
Agree here. Roach & Manny both say he never saw the punch coming. I thought Pacman really was ready to put on the burners and get a convincing win.I think you could make a credible argument that it means less that Pacquiao lost on a freak knockout to JMM than that Floyd ended up getting caught against the ropes again and again by a plodding and beat-to-hell Cotto, who I respect the Hell out of, but who doesn't belong in a conversation with the other 3.
Clown? I was about to post "cue EU20 with the obligatory Pacman diss in 3..2.." and you timed that perfectly, like the JMM punch.He's always been a terrible boxer which is why you could see the cringe in Marquez every time he spoke about two losses to such a clown.
Thank you, Marquez. Nobody in sports deserved that more. I knew for sure it'd be Floyd but you deserved it.
Just for shits and giggles... exactly what has he brought to the sport you say?That's the problem with manny and what's hes brought to the sport.
Yep, there's a lot of talk this morning about how that KO punch was PED-fueled, but I don't buy it. Marquez has nailed Manny with plenty of flush right hands during their fights, but they were always from a distance, where Pacquiao had a split-second to brace for the impact. In this one case, he walked into the KO punch and never saw it coming. Hence the different result. (I mean, I absolutely believe both these guys are filled to the brim with PEDs, but that punch was about timing and placement moreso than power.)Just watched the replay of the KO. Just right punch at the right time. Manny stepped in and Marquez just nailed him with a short right. No fighter was going to get up from that.
That fight died long ago. Last night didn't flush away anything.The flushing sound from Vegas was the money being flushed away from what would have been the megafight of Manny and and Floyd.
Yep.That wasn't a freak ko. That's the problem with manny and what's hes brought to the sport. That's what I've been waiting for 6 years for someone with a boxing iq to catch him coming in as usual wide open and out control and end his career. He's always been a terrible boxer which is why you could see the cringe in Marquez every time he spoke about two losses to such a clown.
Btw. If you dont follow boxing, this type of ko ends your career. You'll fight again but you're never the same.
Thank you, Marquez. Nobody in sports deserved that more. I knew for sure it'd be Floyd but you deserved it.
My friend said: "Man, that's now twice in the past two months that a rich religious man has been knocked out by Hispanics"