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QUOTE (Mighty Barrett @ Apr 21 2010, 09:33 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2914909
Has anyone ever run with the CamelBak RaceBak Hydration Vest? I'm looking for a comfortable way to carry water with me on long runs during marathon training. I live in the city so stashing water bottles somewhere is not an option. Also, I'm not a big fan of carrying cash and stopping at a CVS or something for water. That seems to break my stride and I have trouble getting re-started. This Camelbak vest seems interesting, but I dunno. Maybe it's crap.

Any suggestions?

Try a Fuel Belt (www.fuelbelt.com). Simple, inexpensive, easy. I have the six-bottle model, but don't always carry all six bottles. They have lots of options to choose from. Highly recommended.
 

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QUOTE (Kremlin Watcher @ Apr 21 2010, 10:26 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2914996
Try a Fuel Belt (www.fuelbelt.com). Simple, inexpensive, easy. I have the six-bottle model, but don't always carry all six bottles. They have lots of options to choose from. Highly recommended.


Great suggestions, thanks! I'm pretty sure that all of the local CVS' are tired of my funk invading their stores while I pound Poland Springs.
 

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I HIGHLY recommend the Nathan fuel belts. I wear the same one that Traut posted and I couldn't be happier with it.

Not to knock Kremlin's suggestion, but I hate the Fuel Belt brand belts. I found that the pockets that hold the water bottles stretch out very quickly and no longer hold the bottles securely. The nozzles are prone to leakage, too. I know many people in my running club have had similar problems.

I've recommended the Nathan belts to many people and I've heard nothing but great things. They are really well made and quite comfortable.
 

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I've been using this:
http://www.nathansports.com/our-products/h.../quickdraw-plus

I was previously just carrying a water bottle (for runs of 10-13 miles) and the only thing I didn't like about that was my hand would eventually get tired of gripping the bottle, so this solved that problem.

By the way, I just got into the Harpoon race off the wait list - looks like they opened up some more spots.
 

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QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Apr 22 2010, 02:06 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2918385
I've been using this:
http://www.nathansports.com/our-products/h.../quickdraw-plus

I was previously just carrying a water bottle (for runs of 10-13 miles) and the only thing I didn't like about that was my hand would eventually get tired of gripping the bottle, so this solved that problem.

By the way, I just got into the Harpoon race off the wait list - looks like they opened up some more spots.


I run with one of those during ultras, as well. Good piece of gear, and I prefer the hand-helds to the belts or backpacks.
 

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I ran a 10K today. I went in with a goal of beating my previous best in this race (45:33) but I had an outside dream of breaking the 7 minute per mile barrier. I beat my previous personal best, but finished at 43:28 for a 7 minute pace exactly.

Slightly disappointed, but I went all out and I crushed my PR, so when I put it in perspective, I am very pleased. I'm probably going to run the Historic Half in May, and then (vaguely) start training for my fall marathon.
 

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QUOTE (pedro1918 @ Apr 25 2010, 03:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2925436
I ran a 10K today. I went in with a goal of beating my previous best in this race (45:33) but I had an outside dream of breaking the 7 minute per mile barrier. I beat my previous personal best, but finished at 43:28 for a 7 minute pace exactly.

Slightly disappointed, but I went all out and I crushed my PR, so when I put it in perspective, I am very pleased. I'm probably going to run the Historic Half in May, and then (vaguely) start training for my fall marathon.


Congrats, that's awesome! Crushing PRs is great work. Sounds like you are shooting for a 1:30-1:35 half next month. Good luck.
 

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Since I had to be at the Oklahoma City Memorial Marathon this weekend as I organized my running club's bus trip, some friends and I ran the marathon relay. Our goal race is next week, so the distance worked out well. Anyway, we ended coming in second in the women's division out of 115 teams, which was a cool surprise as we weren't trying to win anything. My husband's team came in first in the men's division and fourth overall, so it was a good weekend for everyone.

Anyway, the real reason I'm posting...I need advice. My goal race, the Eugene Half, is on Sunday. Originally I wanted to PR (current PR is 1:43). The course is fast, so it was definitely attainable. Given the injury I've been dealing with the past 45 days, my conditioning isn't close to what it needs to be. I'm thinking of going for it and if I fall flat, so be it. Problem is, the race is on my birthday and on a beautiful city and I don't want to spend the day being disappointed. Not sure what advice I'm looking for...I'm competitive and stubborn and I know I'm going to go for it, though my confidence is shot. I think I need to hear those of you who've been in this spot before tell me that a race can still be fun even if a specific goal isn't met. I tend to beat myself up quite a bit.
 

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QUOTE (pedro1918 @ Apr 25 2010, 02:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2925436
I ran a 10K today. I went in with a goal of beating my previous best in this race (45:33) but I had an outside dream of breaking the 7 minute per mile barrier. I beat my previous personal best, but finished at 43:28 for a 7 minute pace exactly.


Damn, that's fast. Congrats!
 

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QUOTE (sass a thon @ Apr 26 2010, 06:20 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2927502
Anyway, the real reason I'm posting...I need advice. My goal race, the Eugene Half, is on Sunday. Originally I wanted to PR (current PR is 1:43). The course is fast, so it was definitely attainable. Given the injury I've been dealing with the past 45 days, my conditioning isn't close to what it needs to be. I'm thinking of going for it and if I fall flat, so be it. Problem is, the race is on my birthday and on a beautiful city and I don't want to spend the day being disappointed. Not sure what advice I'm looking for...I'm competitive and stubborn and I know I'm going to go for it, though my confidence is shot. I think I need to hear those of you who've been in this spot before tell me that a race can still be fun even if a specific goal isn't met. I tend to beat myself up quite a bit.


Congrats on your team kicking some serious butt.

As for your concerns about Eugene, Fris is the man you need to talk to.
 

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QUOTE (sass a thon @ Apr 26 2010, 06:20 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2927502
Since I had to be at the Oklahoma City Memorial Marathon this weekend as I organized my running club's bus trip, some friends and I ran the marathon relay. Our goal race is next week, so the distance worked out well. Anyway, we ended coming in second in the women's division out of 115 teams, which was a cool surprise as we weren't trying to win anything. My husband's team came in first in the men's division and fourth overall, so it was a good weekend for everyone.

Anyway, the real reason I'm posting...I need advice. My goal race, the Eugene Half, is on Sunday. Originally I wanted to PR (current PR is 1:43). The course is fast, so it was definitely attainable. Given the injury I've been dealing with the past 45 days, my conditioning isn't close to what it needs to be. I'm thinking of going for it and if I fall flat, so be it. Problem is, the race is on my birthday and on a beautiful city and I don't want to spend the day being disappointed. Not sure what advice I'm looking for...I'm competitive and stubborn and I know I'm going to go for it, though my confidence is shot. I think I need to hear those of you who've been in this spot before tell me that a race can still be fun even if a specific goal isn't met. I tend to beat myself up quite a bit.


Congrats on the good result in the race over the weekend.

For the HM, why not go out in a nice conversational pace. This will probably keep you from going sub 8 pace to start. After 2 miles you'll probably be able to determine if this is the right pace based on HR or if you can handle a slight bump up. At the very least you wont go down in flames by going out too fast. If your fitness is better than you thought then you'll be passing people for most of the race which will make your confidence soar.

I was going to say 8:10 pace (20 sec slower than your PR), but that potentially be a little quick if you feel your fitness isnt right.
 

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Running my first half tomorrow (Illinois Marathon here in Champaign). First step towards probably doing the Indy Marathon in October.

Couple quick questions for those in the know.

1.) They're doing GU gel at a couple stations-- I'd be interested in trying it, especially around the 9-mile mark but I have been told it's probably not a good idea to first try anything new during a 10m+ race (i.e. just stick to water and Gatorade). Am I going to be hitting the bank of port-o-johns within a couple miles if I grab a packet?

2.) Hydration and eats beforehand. The race is really effin' early (7:30, it's early for grad students at least...) to minimize traffic blockage, heat, and thunderstorm potential (although the irony is we'll probably have severe storms marching through Illinois a few hours before the gun goes off so I'm thinking it might be a wet/dry type of affair). I'm planning on rolling out of bed at 6, nibbling on something, pounding 8-12 oz of H2O and driving the few miles to the start line. Is this a terrible plan? Should I be eating things like Clif Bars or granola bars or breakfast bars, or just something simple like an english muffin, bagel or toast. Water? Or Gatorade?

I'm taking this mildly seriously (and secretly think I can do like 1:40-1:45) although I've told myself all I really want to do is finish the race in under 2 hours. I did ~10 miles at about an 8:10 last week and that should have more terrain than this course, but in 100% of the previous races I've run I've gone out way too fast and suffered because of it. If I go out at like 8:45-9:00 I figure I can keep myself settled down for the first 4-5 miles and then go from there as we get out of town.

But I'm totally new to this shit, so any noob advice is welcome.
 

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QUOTE (czar @ Apr 30 2010, 01:28 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2936513
Running my first half tomorrow (Illinois Marathon here in Champaign). First step towards probably doing the Indy Marathon in October.

Couple quick questions for those in the know.

1.) They're doing GU gel at a couple stations-- I'd be interested in trying it, especially around the 9-mile mark but I have been told it's probably not a good idea to first try anything new during a 10m+ race (i.e. just stick to water and Gatorade). Am I going to be hitting the bank of port-o-johns within a couple miles if I grab a packet?


The biggest risk you run is that the GU upsets your stomach. You'll be pissed if this happens to you at Mile 9. Note: A lot of the gels have caffeine, which I don't like during runs.

Have fun!
 

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QUOTE (czar @ Apr 30 2010, 01:28 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2936513
Running my first half tomorrow (Illinois Marathon here in Champaign). First step towards probably doing the Indy Marathon in October.

Couple quick questions for those in the know.

1.) They're doing GU gel at a couple stations-- I'd be interested in trying it, especially around the 9-mile mark but I have been told it's probably not a good idea to first try anything new during a 10m+ race (i.e. just stick to water and Gatorade). Am I going to be hitting the bank of port-o-johns within a couple miles if I grab a packet?

First of all, good luck and I hope the weather cooperates.

It probably isnt a good idea to try something new in a race. From everything I've read and experienced you probably don't need an energy gel to finish a HM in sub 2 hours if you do a decent job with carbs in the days leading up into the race. Gatorade will give you the carbs and hydration you need during the race.

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2.) Hydration and eats beforehand. The race is really effin' early (7:30, it's early for grad students at least...) to minimize traffic blockage, heat, and thunderstorm potential (although the irony is we'll probably have severe storms marching through Illinois a few hours before the gun goes off so I'm thinking it might be a wet/dry type of affair). I'm planning on rolling out of bed at 6, nibbling on something, pounding 8-12 oz of H2O and driving the few miles to the start line. Is this a terrible plan? Should I be eating things like Clif Bars or granola bars or breakfast bars, or just something simple like an english muffin, bagel or toast. Water? Or Gatorade?


Part of the answer depends on what you ate before runs during training. If you only ran on an empty stomach then go with something really light (toast) and some water. Dont be like me and drink continuously for 2 hrs before the race or you'll need a pit stop early. Get your gatorade an hour or two before the race so you can get your bathroom break in before the gun goes off. Maybe a shot of water a few mins before the race might help mentally.

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I'm taking this mildly seriously (and secretly think I can do like 1:40-1:45) although I've told myself all I really want to do is finish the race in under 2 hours. I did ~10 miles at about an 8:10 last week and that should have more terrain than this course, but in 100% of the previous races I've run I've gone out way too fast and suffered because of it. If I go out at like 8:45-9:00 I figure I can keep myself settled down for the first 4-5 miles and then go from there as we get out of town.

But I'm totally new to this shit, so any noob advice is welcome.


If you cant talk pretty easily for the first mile of a HM you're probably going too fast. Have some landmarks on the course in the first mile about every .2-.25 miles with time goals. This will ensure you're at the correct pace to start. Normally, I'd say 8:45-9 is a good pace to start, but if you think you can do 1:45 (and you may be right based on your 10 mile run) you might want to shoot for 8:30 to start. I was doing training run in 8:00-8:15 a few years ago leading up to my first HM. I went through 1 mile in about 9 mins and I saw my dreams of 1:45 going down the drain. I proceeded to bang out three 7:40 miles in a row trying to catch up which lead to a nice burnout at 11 miles and I struggled to finish in 1:46:24. Had I stuck to near 8 min pace I would have been much better off.

Try and find people running relaxed and not breathing heavy after a couple miles. They are most likely going to be able to hold a consistent pace for a long time.
 

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QUOTE (pedro1918 @ Apr 25 2010, 03:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2925436
I ran a 10K today. I went in with a goal of beating my previous best in this race (45:33) but I had an outside dream of breaking the 7 minute per mile barrier. I beat my previous personal best, but finished at 43:28 for a 7 minute pace exactly.

Slightly disappointed, but I went all out and I crushed my PR, so when I put it in perspective, I am very pleased. I'm probably going to run the Historic Half in May, and then (vaguely) start training for my fall marathon.


I'm sorry I missed this post earlier. Terrific run. What times have you run in HM and 5ks before? Are you doing any specific training or just going out and running.
 

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QUOTE (underhandtofirst @ Apr 30 2010, 01:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2936598
First of all, good luck and I hope the weather cooperates.


Thanks for the advice. The weather was absolutely horrendous (rained at the start, then the sun came out, temp went up to around 70, and the humidity shot up over 80%). People were dropping like flies by the side of the road. I've run in a dry heat (90+) before, and it's nothing like running through a thick soupy haze. I'm honestly shocked how uncomfortable a race with a start temp of like 68 degrees could be.

I ended up at 2:08. I'm pretty disappointed with the time given my training runs, and my first 5 mile splits (9:12, 8:47, 9:01, 8:47, 8:51) which were setting me up to start putting some 8:00s-8:30s on the board in the middle once the herd thinned out. Miles 8 and 9 we run through a wide open park of dry, brown, prairie grass on freshly paved asphalt and I pretty much lost everything I had going there. Just couldn't sweat fast enough to keep body temp cool (plus my right calf was as tight as it's ever been) so had to walk for about 1/2 mile and then really back it down (I lost the splits on Runkeeper, but they must have been around 10 min/mile) until about 12.5 when I turned on the jets to pass about 60 people before the line. Missed out a bunch of sleep last night (only got about 4 hours, although they say the night before a marathon isn't that important anyway), but I also think I hydrated way too early for the conditions. Pissed a ton of it back out and missed the first water station at 1.5, and then had to wait to mile 4 which had me playing catch up the rest of the way in terms of fluid intake. Did grab the GU energy gel on the way by at mile 9.5 just because I was so desperate for a spark I was willing to take a shot. Didn't notice a difference, although I did the last half mile in about 3:00 so who knows. I picked up a couple packets and I'll try them on some training runs and see if they're worth it.

I will take solace in the fact that it was my first race longer than ~8 miles, and probably more importantly, my first official race of any kind since 8/2007. I'm pissed it was about 15 minutes longer than I was aiming for, but hey, the marathon winner was 15 minutes of his PR so we'll just have to commiserate. Have to find another one in a couple months and see how much I can boost the time.

Thanks for the advice. Even with all the problems (live and learn?), still had a great time.
 

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Congrats Czar! Great job on your first half. There's no factor like the weather.

I did a 2:12 yesterday in Providence which is exactly what I wanted to do. Running a half marathon in the middle of marathon training was a lot of fun. For the first time, the half felt short because compared to my long runs it was.

The course was rather hilly which was fine for me and good preparation for Burlington. I train in a hilly neighborhood. So the hills were no problem for me. The only time that I ever pass anyone is going up and down hills.

It was a hot start yesterday and humid throughout. My strategy was to take 3 cups of water at every stop....drink two....pour the 3rd one over my head. This helped a lot. It's critical to take water early and at every stop to stay ahead of dehydration.

Providence was nice. This is the 3rd year of Cox taking over the race. Registration and bib pick up were easy. The expo was very small with just a handful of vendors. It was nothing compared to other expos that I've been to. The pasta dinner was at Uno's and limited to a 100 people.....it wasn't really a pasta dinner. I didn't sign up for that. It's Providence and the pasta dinner was at Uno's.....#fail. The race was well organized. Plenty of water stops along the way. Plenty of post race food. Overall a very good time. This race ran through the high rent district of Providence and into Pawtucket which was a departure from running through some more run down areas of New Bedford. It was a pretty course.

To give you an idea of how the heat impacted the race. The top man finished in 2:35 and the top woman in 3:02. This is a regional race but in a comparable race like Boston the top men come in at 2:20 or so. Of course, Boston could have taken some of New England's finest out of contention for Providence.
 

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QUOTE (czar @ May 1 2010, 01:32 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2938616
I ended up at 2:08. I'm pretty disappointed with the time given my training runs, and my first 5 mile splits (9:12, 8:47, 9:01, 8:47, 8:51) which were setting me up to start putting some 8:00s-8:30s on the board in the middle once the herd thinned out. Miles 8 and 9 we run through a wide open park of dry, brown, prairie grass on freshly paved asphalt and I pretty much lost everything I had going there. Just couldn't sweat fast enough to keep body temp cool (plus my right calf was as tight as it's ever been) so had to walk for about 1/2 mile and then really back it down (I lost the splits on Runkeeper, but they must have been around 10 min/mile) until about 12.5 when I turned on the jets to pass about 60 people before the line. Missed out a bunch of sleep last night (only got about 4 hours, although they say the night before a marathon isn't that important anyway), but I also think I hydrated way too early for the conditions. Pissed a ton of it back out and missed the first water station at 1.5, and then had to wait to mile 4 which had me playing catch up the rest of the way in terms of fluid intake. Did grab the GU energy gel on the way by at mile 9.5 just because I was so desperate for a spark I was willing to take a shot. Didn't notice a difference, although I did the last half mile in about 3:00 so who knows. I picked up a couple packets and I'll try them on some training runs and see if they're worth it.


I can see how that would be disappointing, but those conditions sound awful. If you havent trained for that type of weather it makes it even worse. Hydration can be tricky in race conditions, but that type of thick air makes it even worse. The sweat doesnt evaporate off your body so it just sits on you like a blanket. I'm uncomfortable just thinking about it.

Give those gels a shot. I used power gels while training for my first marathon and I was happy with them. They were a nice boost when training. For my second and third I worked on training without them except for really long runs (>18). The reasoning was to train myself to use my reserves slower.

Congrats on gutting through the race. I'm sure you'll use this experience to run better next time.
 

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Congratulations to Traut and Czar for great runs under tough conditions. Getting the first big race of the season done is probably the hardest one if you're up here in NE and not racing year-round. I take comfort in slower times in the Spring as long as I see improvement. My for-time races start soon, so the "Base" training phase is over and now I'm in "Build" phase - strength, speed and lactate threshold. Getting set up for a short sprint triathlon this Sunday (which, coincidentally, is in Hopkinton) as a tune-up for the season. Really looking forward to a busy racing season.
 

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Gratz on some great races and times guys. Keep up the awesome work.

Just ran the Bellingham, MA 5K. The course is actually difficult, in that the first 3/4 mile is steep down hill and the rest of the course is a long uphill climb. I was hoping to break a 7 minute pace!

21:43 -- 6:59

Woot.

My next 5K is in three weeks - Franklin EMC

Then I have the John Kelly Half on the cape May 31st. Anyone else doing this race? It's really a GREAT course, signups are still open.
 

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QUOTE (GregHarris @ May 4 2010, 10:23 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2945472
Gratz on some great races and times guys. Keep up the awesome work.

Just ran the Bellingham, MA 5K. The course is actually difficult, in that the first 3/4 mile is steep down hill and the rest of the course is a long uphill climb. I was hoping to break a 7 minute pace!

21:43 -- 6:59

Woot.

My next 5K is in three weeks - Franklin EMC

Then I have the John Kelly Half on the cape May 31st. Anyone else doing this race? It's really a GREAT course, signups are still open.


Congrats on breaking the 7 min barrier. That's a tough way to run as the steep downhill can drain your legs to start.
 

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QUOTE (underhandtofirst @ Apr 26 2010, 07:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2928437
For the HM, why not go out in a nice conversational pace. This will probably keep you from going sub 8 pace to start. After 2 miles you'll probably be able to determine if this is the right pace based on HR or if you can handle a slight bump up. At the very least you wont go down in flames by going out too fast. If your fitness is better than you thought then you'll be passing people for most of the race which will make your confidence soar.

I was going to say 8:10 pace (20 sec slower than your PR), but that potentially be a little quick if you feel your fitness isnt right.



Thank for the advice. I ended up, as predicted, saying "Fuck it" and going for a PR. What can I say...I'm stubborn.

Anyway, I ended up finishing with a 1:43:12, a 40 second PR. I've got really mixed feelings about how the day went. On one hand, I wasn't able to do any speed work, hill training, or tempo runs for the 45 days leading up to the race due to injuries, yet I still managed a (miniscule) PR. On the other hand, I don't think I ran as smartly as I usually do, and I think I could have done a minute or two better, so I'm feeling a twinge of that post-race regret. I took my second Gu a mile too late (I simply forgot, which I never do) and I slowed a bit in the final mile because I thought I was farther from the finish line than I really was. I keep wishing I could redo the final three miles.

But I will say this: I will do this race again. I can't recommend this race (half or full) enough. The city is amazing, the course is beautiful, and finishing on Hayward Field was awesome. If you love running, you'd love the Eugene Marathon.

Splits:

7:57
7:51
7:52
7:57
8:01
7:41
7:54
7:55
7:54
7:45
7:55
7:52
7:45

I'm now taking off until mid-June or July....or as long as it takes to get rid of my shin and heel problems. Then I start training for my first full marathon. I'm pretty excited to find out what I can do in a marathon. I'm also contemplating the US Half in San Francisco on November 7. Anyone have any experience with that race?
 

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QUOTE (sass a thon @ May 4 2010, 05:06 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2946192
Thank for the advice. I ended up, as predicted, saying "Fuck it" and going for a PR. What can I say...I'm stubborn.

Anyway, I ended up finishing with a 1:43:12, a 40 second PR. I've got really mixed feelings about how the day went. On one hand, I wasn't able to do any speed work, hill training, or tempo runs for the 45 days leading up to the race due to injuries, yet I still managed a (miniscule) PR. On the other hand, I don't think I ran as smartly as I usually do, and I think I could have done a minute or two better, so I'm feeling a twinge of that post-race regret. I took my second Gu a mile too late (I simply forgot, which I never do) and I slowed a bit in the final mile because I thought I was farther from the finish line than I really was. I keep wishing I could redo the final three miles.

But I will say this: I will do this race again. I can't recommend this race (half or full) enough. The city is amazing, the course is beautiful, and finishing on Hayward Field was awesome. If you love running, you'd love the Eugene Marathon.

Splits:

7:57
7:51
7:52
7:57
8:01
7:41
7:54
7:55
7:54
7:45
7:55
7:52
7:45

I'm now taking off until mid-June or July....or as long as it takes to get rid of my shin and heel problems. Then I start training for my first full marathon. I'm pretty excited to find out what I can do in a marathon. I'm also contemplating the US Half in San Francisco on November 7. Anyone have any experience with that race?


Those are some pretty sweet splits, almost metronome-like! When are you planning to run your first full? By your post I'm guessing some time next spring. With this HM time I'd imagine you'd have a good shot of qualifying for Boston if that's a goal of yours.
 

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QUOTE (czar @ May 1 2010, 12:32 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2938616
Thanks for the advice. The weather was absolutely horrendous (rained at the start, then the sun came out, temp went up to around 70, and the humidity shot up over 80%). People were dropping like flies by the side of the road. I've run in a dry heat (90+) before, and it's nothing like running through a thick soupy haze. I'm honestly shocked how uncomfortable a race with a start temp of like 68 degrees could be.

I ended up at 2:08. I'm pretty disappointed with the time given my training runs, and my first 5 mile splits (9:12, 8:47, 9:01, 8:47, 8:51) which were setting me up to start putting some 8:00s-8:30s on the board in the middle once the herd thinned out. Miles 8 and 9 we run through a wide open park of dry, brown, prairie grass on freshly paved asphalt and I pretty much lost everything I had going there. Just couldn't sweat fast enough to keep body temp cool (plus my right calf was as tight as it's ever been) so had to walk for about 1/2 mile and then really back it down (I lost the splits on Runkeeper, but they must have been around 10 min/mile) until about 12.5 when I turned on the jets to pass about 60 people before the line. Missed out a bunch of sleep last night (only got about 4 hours, although they say the night before a marathon isn't that important anyway), but I also think I hydrated way too early for the conditions. Pissed a ton of it back out and missed the first water station at 1.5, and then had to wait to mile 4 which had me playing catch up the rest of the way in terms of fluid intake. Did grab the GU energy gel on the way by at mile 9.5 just because I was so desperate for a spark I was willing to take a shot. Didn't notice a difference, although I did the last half mile in about 3:00 so who knows. I picked up a couple packets and I'll try them on some training runs and see if they're worth it.

I will take solace in the fact that it was my first race longer than ~8 miles, and probably more importantly, my first official race of any kind since 8/2007. I'm pissed it was about 15 minutes longer than I was aiming for, but hey, the marathon winner was 15 minutes of his PR so we'll just have to commiserate. Have to find another one in a couple months and see how much I can boost the time.

Thanks for the advice. Even with all the problems (live and learn?), still had a great time.


Congrats on a great race. That would be a really good time for your first half marathon even if the weather had been perfect - it's even better considering the awful conditions. I'm glad that it's not discouraging you and that instead, you're excited to run another race soon to see how much you can improve. That's a great attitude...and it's also how you know you're a runner for life. :)

Regarding hydration - I start the race with one of those mini sized water bottles with the sport top. It allows me to bypass the first few water stops and still stay hydrated. I generally finish it off around mile 6 or 7 when I take my first Gu. I can't recommend this highly enough.
 

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QUOTE (underhandtofirst @ May 4 2010, 04:10 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2946196
Those are some pretty sweet splits, almost metronome-like! When are you planning to run your first full? By your post I'm guessing some time next spring. With this HM time I'd imagine you'd have a good shot of qualifying for Boston if that's a goal of yours.


If I stay healthy, my first full will be December 5 - White Rock Marathon in Dallas.

Funny. Qualifying time for me (age 31) would be 3:40. I'm afraid to shoot for anything better than 4:15...at least for my first full. Getting a BQ in my lifetime isn't something I can even comprehend. I've been so unathletic my entire life, I still have trouble thinking of myself as a mildly fast runner.
 

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QUOTE (sass a thon @ May 4 2010, 05:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2946209
If I stay healthy, my first full will be December 5 - White Rock Marathon in Dallas.

Funny. Qualifying time for me (age 31) would be 3:40. I'm afraid to shoot for anything better than 4:15...at least for my first full. Getting a BQ in my lifetime isn't something I can even comprehend. I've been so unathletic my entire life, I still have trouble thinking of myself as a mildly fast runner.


I ran my first HM (first run over 11 miles) in Feb 2006 in 1:46:24 and in Oct 2006 ran 3:38:01. You have much better mile splits than I ever did so I think you have a shot. And remember you need to run better than 3:40:59, those extra seconds may help :) If you can work on those tempo runs you'll see your times come down even more.
 

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QUOTE (sass a thon @ May 4 2010, 05:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2946209
If I stay healthy, my first full will be December 5 - White Rock Marathon in Dallas.

Funny. Qualifying time for me (age 31) would be 3:40. I'm afraid to shoot for anything better than 4:15...at least for my first full. Getting a BQ in my lifetime isn't something I can even comprehend. I've been so unathletic my entire life, I still have trouble thinking of myself as a mildly fast runner.


Way to go! I can't wait to read your post about how you BQ'd. Watch out Boston 2012, here comes Sass.
 

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QUOTE (underhandtofirst @ Apr 30 2010, 02:20 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2936605
I'm sorry I missed this post earlier. Terrific run. What times have you run in HM and 5ks before? Are you doing any specific training or just going out and running.


Thanks. I have never run a HM with full effort. I have only run them as training runs for other races. I usually finish in a little under two hours. I ran a 5 mile run earlier this spring in 36:23 (7:17/mile) and I ran a 4 mile race on New Year's Day in 28:44 (7:11/mile). I'll run three HMs this summer/fall in preparation for the Marine Corp Marathon at the end of October.

I really don't have any specific training regiment right now, I just try to put in 25-30 miles a week. 4 shorter runs (4-6) during the week and a longer one (10 or more) on Sunday. Two off days.

I will start a specific training program in late June/early July. Hills, track, repeats.
 

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Running my first race in nearly 20 years in 2 weeks. Stow MA 5K on 5/16. I've been slowly building up my strength, which was wiped out due to 2 surgeries and a chronic pain condition last year. I ballooned and felt miserable. Once things were under control again (around December), I turned to running, something I really excelled at in High School and in my early 20's.

Other than some occasional pain in my hip, I'm doing well. Running 6 very hilly mi/day on the weekends, getting one or two short, quick runs in during the week. I'm trying to find the time to get 5 runs in each week now, but have only managed this a few times. I'm going to push my Sunday run up to 8 miles or so soon, as I've been doing the 6 miles for 2 months straight now.

So, we'll see how the race goes. I'm hoping to get in around 25:00, but I have no clue how I'll do as it's been so long since I've raced.
 

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QUOTE (czar @ May 1 2010, 01:32 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2938616
Did grab the GU energy gel on the way by at mile 9.5 just because I was so desperate for a spark I was willing to take a shot. Didn't notice a difference, although I did the last half mile in about 3:00 so who knows. I picked up a couple packets and I'll try them on some training runs and see if they're worth it.


Just want to make a point about the GUs. They're probably not going to give you a boost. They function to keep you feeling normal. I don't think you hear that much because "Hey, take this, it will make you feel normal" is not a very catchy marketing slogan. I think this is why many of them come loaded with caffeine. It gives you a very obvious change in perception. Whether or not that caffeine boost has any correlation to actual performance is an open question.
 

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Did the Hopkinton Season Opener Sprint Triathlon today. Interesting experience. 8:00 am at the Hopkinton State Park, with the swim in the reservoir. It's a short race, with a 1/4 mile swim, a 10-mile bike and 3.1-mile run.

But, of course, this morning it was 45 degrees and the wind was blowing consistently about 20-25 miles an hour. Less than ideal conditions for a race. But the race organizers are professionals, so what could possibly go wrong?

After all our preparations, setting up our bikes and putting on the wetsuits and marshaling for the swim, we are all on the beach in our start waves when we see the whitecaps and the waves being generated by the wind. And as the race director described the swim course and pointed out to the buoys marking our intended path, we could literally see the farthest buoy being driven away from us by the wind. So as we are standing around in 45-degree weather, waiting to get into a 60-degree lake whipped by high winds, the swim course is getting longer. Perfect. I turned to the guy standing next to me and said, "There are going to be some rescues in the water today."

The first wave is the elite and professional men, the real triathletes, and some who make money on this sport. They go into the water, the horn goes off, they start churning away, and then about halfway out on the outward leg (the swim was an out-and-back), about a quarter or so of the elite men basically stop swimming, start treading water and looking around for the rescue kayaks. It was bad out there. Most of them got going again, but we all started looking at one another on the beach, wondering what this meant for the rest of us.

Next in the water were the female age groupers, amateurs ranging in age from 20-49 and in skill from pretty damn good to not so good but enthusiastic. They set off, and about halfway through their out leg, about half of them start treading water as the calls for help go out and the rescue boats come in. Others are being blown off course by the winds. There were some nervous chuckles in our group as we wondered how we would fare.

Then it was our turn. My group (male age groupers) wades in and the wind is blowing so hard we can hardly hear the race director's horn go off. Then we start plowing into the waves and whitecaps. But as soon as we got going, the cold water on the head and face started sucking energy, and the waves were so unpredictable that half the time I ended up sucking down water instead of air on my breath strokes. Add a few kicks to the body from other swimmers, and sure enough, about the time we get halfway through the swim leg, a huge number of our start group starts pulling up, sucking wind and water, treading in place just trying to stay afloat. I felt like my legs were made of lead. I swallowed so much water I could hardly breathe and was getting pretty distressed. So I used my better judgment and pulled up, rolled over and started looking for a rescue kayak. I found one a ways away and went for it. I wasn't yet in danger, but I felt like if I did not take a break, I could be. And to drown in a triathlon would not only be tragic, but catastrophically stupid when rescue boats are at hand; my wife would never forgive me. So I pulled into one, grabbed a life line, and floated for a few minutes while I got my bearings and helped a few other swimmers. Although I couldn't see everyone because of the waves, I think probably 25-30% of all swimmers pulled up and needed help of some sort.

So I'm floating there in the water, trying to decide what to do: continue with the race and swim to shore, or go for the motor rescue launch. I spied the launch about 30-40 yards away, then looked to shore. Rescue launch, shore. Rescue launch, shore. There's not a lot of quit in me, but I was trying to decide whether or not to make the safe choice (the rescue launch) while in distress. And when in distress, the safe call is usually the best one. I wasn't going to drown, but waves and wind could make the trek to shore dangerous on my own. Rescue launch or swim? I asked myself. Looked to the shore again. Then to the rescue launch. Which then sank. Rescuers and rescued, all dumped back into the drink.

So, my decision having been made for me, I gathered myself and began a slow swim to shore. Made it, slowly, but without any further distress.

And this, of course, is when the race director decided to cancel the swim portion of the race. I'm trudging out of the water, glad to be done and alright, fatigued from the effort and the cold, and the next wave of racers comes up behind me, having completed the "swim" portion of the race by walking down the beach. That pretty much blew my whole race right there. I got back to the transition zone, peeled off the wetsuit and put on a warm top (it having warmed up to, hey, 47 degrees. Yay!), got on the bike, and set off. The course itself was not particularly hard, but the road conditions were not good (lots of potholes and frost heaves), and of course the gale force wind in my face didn't help either. I finished in good time, passed a bunch of people who probably had equally difficult swims, but mentally I was pretty cooked by the swim. Went back into transition for the run, had a pretty slow run, but finished OK.

Overall it was a disappointing result, but we should not have been in the water today. It is fortunate that no one drowned (although several people left by ambulance), particularly considering that the rescue launch capsized. In any case, the mental aspect of this race beat me today: I wasn't ready for a bad-weather swim and the distress really killed my motivation. I am in good enough shape to do that race, but just wasn't ready for that swim today. So I learned a lot about bad-weather racing, which will probably be valuable in the future. It was also a good workout and a sign that I need some more time in the water before my next race.

Up next is a lot of work in the next five weeks before my next one. Looking forward to better preparation and a better result in that one.

EDIT: this morning in reviewing the final results it turns out I am one of only 208 of about 700 or so participants to register an official result. So there is something positive to take out of it.
 

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And in counterpoint to Kremlin, what a difference a day (race) makes....

In the fall of last year, I made progress towards a 5k PR for September. Finally achieved that in December with some promising races along the way. The signs were good in the early part of this year that my PR could drop further. Under less than idea conditions (hilly, windy, no taper, etc), race times approached my PR. So around St. Pat's I was prepared to let it all hang out, go for the PR, and maybe, just maybe, win a race (if everyone from last year showed up at least!). Then I strained my lower back doing (I think) the very excercises for preventing such an occurence. Not sure what, but it was enough that about 50 meters convinced me that lying down was in my future. I visited a Dr. for some meds and skipped running for nearly a week.

Luckily it cleared up without any other side effects and I actually had a training run that same week. It was poor and I found it hard to hit pace; my run was more "get it over with" than anything else. I persevered with a planned race over that weekend and found myself in the lead of a 4M for about 1/2k thinking maybe all was copacetic. For some reason, I was the only one off at race pace and let by several yards in the first 1/2k or so before everyone else got going. (Weird, I was practically glued to my Garmin checking that my pace wasn't :30 secs or more quicker than I thought.) A little over 1 mile and I was working hard, struggling through the race. I finished over 1 min slower than what I would have planned a mere two weeks before.

I continued to train with the same "resistance" during runs. Just couldn't seem to latch onto the training pace and was having to gut through some runs. I wasn't hurting at the end it just didn't feel smooth if you get my meaning. To really cap it off, I ran two weekends ago after a "fun" night of Guinness, Jameson, and The Mickey Finns. I wasn't surprised at being over 2 minutes slower than planned. Still, poor planning for self confidence.

So this Mother's Day weekend, my gracious wife allowed the oldest and I to race. It didn't look promising as the winds were strong fairly steady and I could tell they would be in my face no matter the direction. So, off at the start, up a small hill and used the long shallow downhill to get a quick 1k time. I ran within my limits and was surprised that by 2k I was in a groove and passing one or two along the way. Had a nice duel of sorts through 4-5k with two other guys that (maybe more wisely) dropped the pace slightly during a straight where the wind was head on. They caught me quickly after the turn. My fitness showed in the last 400m where one of them used his to blow by me on the downhill (our uphill start) and I didn't have enought to bridge the gap better than 3 sec or so. (Really got to stop forcing myself to make up the gap at the finish!)

When all was said and done, I finished within 30 secs of my PR on a windy course (15+ secs credit???). The great thing is my runs this week have all been good and easy. I feel back in the groove. Even more promising the race winner is someone that I've usually been more quick than at races in the last year. My goal for taking 1:00 of my PR by the fall is back on! Harpoon run next and I plan to use my current PR pace as a target.

Kremlin, sounds like the conditions were miserable and you were well prepared, maybe just not for that days misery. I doubt you are sweating it...if you are don't. Your work will pull you through.

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Nice work Roland. Beating that PR will be sweet.

And thanks for the encouragement. This week's workout results have so far been excellent and today I did 10 miles in 1:27 for an 8:40 pace, with mile 9 at 8:22 and mile 10 at 7:40. So I know I'm in shape and am not too upset about the race - it happens and I learned a lot.

Thanks and happy racing!
 

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Wrapped up my first race since 1990. Perfect day out. 5K, finished in 23:35. Considering that I started running again over the winter, I'll take it. First mile was a fairly brisk 7:12, and I felt good, just didn't have the legs to maintain the pace for another 2 miles. I could really feel it in my lower legs. I started to feel myself slowing right at the 2 mile mark, and got passed by a handful of people. Was breathing hard but not too badly. Kind of the opposite of my high school days; my legs could go forever, but I was limited by my breathing, now it's the other way around. That's what 50 pounds of extra weight will do to you, I guess.

So, got to work on leg strength. No shortage of hills where I live, so that shouldn't be an issue.

Next race, Swampscott 5K, 5/31, and I'm looking to do a 10K in Rockport in June.
 

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Finally made a step towards letting it all hang out in a race. On Sunday, I had no Garmin. No prob says I, that guy right there beat me by only a few seconds last week and would make a great pacer. Off we go...and 1M comes in 5:25. Whoops...quicker than planned. So I decided to ride it out and stick w/ my guy best I could. Paid for the fast start as 2M came in at 11:25 (I think) and 3M at 17:02 (according to the guy at roadside which seems odd considering I crossed the line at 17:37; edit - nope make sense after checking my math). BTW, my pacer raced Sat/Sun last week w/ a nagging ankle injury and is yet another guy that posted comparable times to me in recent races.

I'm pleased that not knowing my pace resulted in a better time (PR by :13) than I may have set for myself. Fris is probably laughing at me and my watch :) I'll still wonder if a less aggressive 1M split would have allowed more consistent pace throughout the race and better finish.

One more race this Sunday to set me up for the Harpoon 5M where I'm hoping for 29:xx. Any tips from racers on this course? I recall that it should be flat and winds are to be expected.
 

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QUOTE (rbeaud @ May 17 2010, 01:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2972782
Finally made a step towards letting it all hang out in a race. On Sunday, I had no Garmin. No prob says I, that guy right there beat me by only a few seconds last week and would make a great pacer. Off we go...and 1M comes in 5:25. Whoops...quicker than planned. So I decided to ride it out and stick w/ my guy best I could. Paid for the fast start as 2M came in at 11:25 (I think) and 3M at 17:02 (according to the guy at roadside which seems odd considering I crossed the line at 17:37). BTW, my pacer raced Sat/Sun last week w/ a nagging ankle injury and is yet another guy that posted comparable times to me in recent races.

I'm pleased that not knowing my pace resulted in a better time (PR by :13) than I may have set for myself. Fris is probably laughing at me and my watch :) I'll still wonder if a less aggressive 1M split would have allowed more consistent pace throughout the race and better finish.

One more race this Sunday to set me up for the Harpoon 5M where I'm hoping for 29:xx. Any tips from racers on this course? I recall that it should be flat and winds are to be expected.


Great job. And to think about a year ago (two?) you were trying to break the 20 min barrier!
 

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QUOTE (underhandtofirst @ May 17 2010, 02:33 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2972851
Great job. And to think about a year ago (two?) you were trying to break the 20 min barrier!


Crazy that 1 Jan 09 was my first race. Amazing what you can do by logging a few miles. It certainly is enjoyable to put the effort and realize a new PR as the reward. And I mean that regardless of the actual numbers. My friends and wife make comments that their efforts are not as meaningful because my times are much quicker. It all comes down to individual effort and what you put into the goal. Hell, this weekend was a PR for me and I only managed to be the fourth fastest 40-49 YO only because I threw away my race plan. Would have been lower on the totem pole otherwise.
 

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QUOTE (rbeaud @ May 17 2010, 04:02 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2972985
Amazing what you can do by logging a few miles.


Jees, that's been my mantra for years now :) I owe my breakthroughs just to a couple of years of increased mileage. It's amazing how simple it is.

Awesome job - and there's nothing worse that feeling like shit at that 2 mile marker in a 5k. You gotta be thinking low 17s now!

Dave
 

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Just got back from China where I completed the Great Wall Marathon (my first marathon!) last Saturday in 7:19:22.

Great Wall Marathon
On Thursday, two days before the marathon, we did a 2-mile walkthrough of the segment of the wall that we'd be running on Saturday. It consisted of over 2,500 stairs and since we'd be running the same segment out and back the marathon includes a total of over 5,000 stairs. I thought I'd be ready but I had no idea what we were in for.

In training I had gone as far as 20 miles 3 weeks before the race. Physically I was feeling good and I felt that nothing could stop me from reaching the finish line one way or another. This being one of the most difficult marathons in the world, the time taken would not really be important as long as I managed to finish under the 8-hour cutoff for the event.

We arrived at the starting point for the race, known as yin-yang square, at 6am with the marathon not starting until 7:40. I was very anxious to get going. Knowing that I would likely be out there for at least 6 hours, I was armed with a waist pack with a water bottle, 3 power bars, electrolyte tablets, and one packet of Heed sports drink powder.

After what seemed like an eternity, the gun finally went off and we started the race. It began with a 5k uphill climb before we would reach the wall for the first time. I was using a strategy of 8 minutes running, 2 minutes walking and took it easy to start, finishing the first 5k in about 40 minutes. We then entered the wall and started going up and down the stairs. It was crowded here and the pace was slow because we still had all the half marathoners with us at this point. I was glad to conserve the energy, though, because I knew I'd need it later.




I was still feeling fresh getting off the wall, having taken the steps slowly and got to the 5 mile mark in about 90 minutes. The next stretch would be about 16 miles through Huangyaguan village and I planned to pick up the pace a bit here. We ran on a mixture of paved roads and dirt trails and were greeted by many villagers shouting "Hello!" at us (probably the only English they knew) or "Ni hao" (Mandarin for hello). I stopped for some pictures during walk breaks.





At about 10 miles or so, we would then be going uphill for the next 2-3 miles, going from an altitude of 650 feet to about 1300 feet. I was still feeling good though and got to the half marathon point in 3 hours. It was really starting to heat up though, now that we were approaching 11am, with temperatures in the 80s, very high humidity, and no shade from the sun. I was drinking a lot of water and had taken an electrolyte tablet every hour to this point, but it was going to get a lot more difficult from here.

With the stifling heat I was sweating like crazy and the next part of the run was in a remote area with few water stations. I slowed my pace and began to take walk breaks more frequently. By the time I got to mile 16-17 I was feeling really drained and my pace continued to slow. I began to feel really weak and at this point began to walk for the majority of the time and had to take frequent breaks to sit down and recover. My back was hurting, my legs were hurting, my feet were hurting, and I had run out of water.

I had been going for about 4 and a half hours by the time I got to 30k (18.64 miles) and was moving so slowly and felt so much pain that I started to have serious concerns about finishing at this point. I told myself that I just had to keep moving one foot in front of the other and just ignore the pain and thought of what a disappointment it would be to have gone all the way out there and not finish. Several runners stopped to ask if I was OK and I told them I was fine and tried to smile, but I knew I looked like crap. Every once in awhile I would manage a slow jog/shuffle for a couple hundred meters but would then have to stop and rest again.

After what seemed like an eternity I finally made it back to yin-yang square at mile 20-21 where we would have to re-enter the wall for the second time. I chugged a bottle of water and almost immediately felt better - I'm sure I had been dehydrated for the last few miles. In a way, this was good, because I started feeling stronger and got a bit of a second wind for the segment of the marathon which everyone else would later say was the most difficult.

Runners often speak of hitting the wall around mile 20 in a marathon. Now imagine literally hitting the Wall at mile 20 and having to face another 2,500 steps up and down.



Runners were gasping for breath and trying to heave themselves up each step. No one was moving quickly and many had to stop and sit on the steps and rest. At the steeper steps I crawled up, figuring that I might as well use my arms to help me up and reduce the strain on my legs. I used hand rails wherever they were available to help lift myself up and reduce the strain on my quads, which were feeling very shaky and painful with every slow, deliberate step. The down steps were even worse and I had to grab the side of the wall for support to help myself down. I started taking some of them backwards and found it slightly easier.

After each set of stairs I would look ahead and see more stairs and it felt endless. Finally, however, I made it off the wall to the final 5k stretch which was now all downhill. I took a nice, easy jog through most of it with a couple of walk breaks and when I saw the sign that said "40k" the realization that I was going to finish my first marathon started to hit me. Despite all the pain and weariness, I felt fantastic.

After 7 hours, 19 minutes, I finally made it back into yin-yang square and crossed the finish line, knowing that I had accomplished something truly amazing.

 

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QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ May 19 2010, 01:24 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2978613
wow


Congrats. I have to admit when I first read your time I was thinking that it was a nice comfortable time to enjoy the course. Then I saw your pictures and my legs started to hurt. Those stairs had to be brutal! I remember complaining about going up and down about 20 steps after my first marathon. What you did far surpasses that. Those stairs look steep so obviously going up is hard, but going down had to be worse especially in the weather conditions. It sounds like quite the experience, your next marathon in a couple weeks will feel like a cakewalk!
 

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Congratulations - what a brutal race course. And you did it in your VFFs!

Amazing and a great accomplishment. It is a bit hard to comprehend having to run stairs in a marathon. I can only try to imagine how you and your legs felt on that last stretch of climbing and descending. Remarkable. Well done.
 

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It sounds like quite the experience, your next marathon in a couple weeks will feel like a cakewalk!


It will, and the fact that I spent so much time walking in this one has helped the recovery a lot. I expect to be at full strength by May 30. Was doing some interval work today and the legs are feeling fresh. My goal is sub-4 hours for Vermont City but 4:15-4:20 is probably more realistic. I'm gonna try to go out at 9min/mile though and see how long I can keep it up.
 

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Wow. I've been on The Great Wall. The steps are rarely uniform, so it's hard to maintain any sense of rhythm as you go up them. It was so steep in some areas, I felt like a ski jumper leaning forward just to stay upright. The railings are built for very short people, so using them is difficult at best, and useless in some spots. Trying to run that would be brutal. Congrats on an incredible achievement.
 

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I did a quicker post on DM but here's a longer one about my 5k time trial on Saturday. About 2 weeks ago I thought about trying to fit in a 5k time trial to see where my fitness was. My training hadn't included any running faster than marathon pace, and most was 30-60 seconds slower than marathon pace so I knew I wouldnt be setting a PR. The course was my normal 5k trial so I get a good comparison with other trials. My goal was to get into the mid 20s with a dream of 20:00 and a fall back goal of sub 21:00. Six weeks ago I had run 21:16 in similar conditions. My time for this trial was 20:35.

I set the Garmin for 1/2 mile splits. Garmin link
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Type Distance Time Total Pace Avg Max
Interval 0.5 Mi 3:08.34 3:08.34 6:17 158 176
Interval 0.5 Mi 3:13.94 6:22.28 6:28 171 180
Interval 0.5 Mi 3:25.96 9:48.24 6:52 177 180
Interval 0.5 Mi 3:22.89 13:11.13 6:46 175 180
Interval 0.5 Mi 3:25.46 16:36.59 6:51 178 181
Interval 0.5 Mi 3:22.79 19:59.38 6:46 179 181
Interval 0.1 Mi 0:35.97 20:35.35 6:00 181 182


mile 1-1.5 includes a drop of 30 feet then an incline up 60ft to the turnaround point. Of course this means mile 1.5-2 is the exact opposite. I find this section is pretty killer as it really takes me out of my rhythm with the steep uphills and downhills.

Outside of the first mile and last 1/4 mile I averaged between 6:45 and 6:50. My HR got close to my max of 186. I hit 181 at around the 2 mile mark and was able to hang on to the end. After about 4 mins my HR reached 170 and never dropped below that number. My thought is that my VOXmax level is the low 170s, but being about to sustain 176+ over the last 8 mins of the race leads me to believe that's closer to my number. The funny thing is I can never handle a HR that high doing intervals for more than a minute or so. There really is a difference between race effort and training effort. At the 2 mile mark I recall thinking about stopping but thought it would look really bad on DM and that I only had a mile to go and I needed to fight to get a good indication how my training was going.

This was a good race effort and shows I'm on the right track. In the past I tend to run about 30-45 seconds faster in a real race compared to this time trial course. I'm probably in about 20 min 5k form right now which is about where I started last summer at. This year I've done a better job building my base up and I believe my lactate threshold is higher as a result of my tempo training last summer. If I can stay healthy I dont see why I should be able to go sub 3:15 this fall and qualify for Boston in 2011. My fallback goal is 3:20 as that would qualify me for Boston in 2012 when I'm 40. My reach goal is sub 3:10 so I can get into one of the first 5 corrals.

I have to say that being on dailymile.com with other SoSHers has been great. I do all my training alone, but on DM it feels like there is someone there all the time to share the successes and setbacks. Each week someone else is doing something amazing that I take with me on my runs.
 

daburgaman

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Hey fellas,

Had a quick question. Was thinking about doing the falmouth road race in August but I noticed registration is over. Do people run the race without having numbers or do they not allow it. Also, any insight on the course would be appreciated. Thanks!
 

Traut

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QUOTE (daburgaman @ May 26 2010, 01:55 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2990144
Hey fellas,

Had a quick question. Was thinking about doing the falmouth road race in August but I noticed registration is over. Do people run the race without having numbers or do they not allow it. Also, any insight on the course would be appreciated. Thanks!


Running the race without a number is stealing. Running is free, racing is not. No races allow unregistered runners. Call the race organizer and see if it's still possible to register. If not, than pick another race.
 

Kremlin Watcher

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QUOTE (daburgaman @ May 26 2010, 01:55 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2990144
Hey fellas,

Had a quick question. Was thinking about doing the falmouth road race in August but I noticed registration is over. Do people run the race without having numbers or do they not allow it. Also, any insight on the course would be appreciated. Thanks!

When they say Falmouth is full, it's generally full. It is a very popular race, so it is likely that at this point only elites and friends of the race director can get in. But there are many other races on the Cape at that time of year. The Cape Cod Times (www.capecodonline.com) has information on them all.
 

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VCM race report. Reposted from the Daily Mile:


On Saturday night, I had trouble getting to sleep. I was a little amped up. Like the night before a big exam, I opened Hal Higdon's book "Marathon" one last time in hopes of getting that last piece of knowledge that was going to get me to the finish line. From that final read I picked up two pieces of information that proved useful: (1) to set the time goal to a half hour slower than you think you can run (I decided to shoot for a 445) and (2) dedicate each mile to important people in your life.

I woke up at 4:45 am. I was pumped. I got on the bus and saw an old friend from college who wished me well. It was inspiring to be on a bus packed with people who were all ready to run 26.2 miles.

After hitting the porta potties one last time and posing for some pictures, I headed for the start line with my brother in law, Dan. I looked at my MP3 player, and it was displaying some sort of Asian font. Whatever language it was it wasn't good. The only song it would play was "Use Somebody" by Kings of Leon and it would only play it once before shutting off and telling me to connect it to my computer. The MP3 player that had a carefully planned playlist was FUBAR on the day of the race. It had carried me through hundreds of miles of training and it had failed me on race day.......thank God. While at the starting line, I put my MP3 player in my pocket. Where it would stay for most of the race. More on this later.

In lieu of listening to Tom Petty, Eminem, Metallica, and Bruce Springsteen.....I decided to dedicate each mile to a person in my life and think about that person for the entire mile. It was a beautiful way to spend 26.2 miles. Sometimes, I'd choke up thinking about the people in my life. One mile was dedicated to the SoSH Running Dogs and another to my Daily Mile friends.

I had decided to run with the 4:45 pace group but I could not find them. So I lined up behind the 4:30 group.

When the gun went off, I was ready. I choked up as I crossed the starting line. Getting there, was in some ways, more impressive to me than getting to the finish line.

I left my heart rate monitor at home which was the right move. My heart rate is higher during races than it is training runs. I spent large amounts of Providence and New Bedford needlessly worrying that my heart rate was too high. I wasn't going to let this happen at VCM. Instead, I listened to my body.

Through the first few miles, I went out fast. Too fast. I don't have my garmin (it's being mailed to me b/c I left it in the hotel room) but I recall the miles being about 9:45 or about a minute faster than my goal pace. I was caught up in the moment and I don't regret it for one second but I did go out too fast.
The first few miles took us through downtown into a neighborhood. It was the first of 4 loops and the shortest of the 4 loops. Vermont City is an awesome spectator marathon because you run by people 4 times prior to crossing the finish line. Seeing friends and family that much helped.

I also ironed my name on the front of my shirt. I'll admit it seemed a little corny but during the race it was a godsend to hear people cheer and encourage me. It really helped.

The second loop took us out of the downtown area down a highway to the Ethan Allen homestead. It was an out and back and it was boring. There were no people. Just fields alongside the highway. Which wasn't all bad as it allowed me to run behind a bush and take my first and only bathroom break.
As we came back into downtown Burlington, I crossed by family once more. Then we headed down Church Street (Burlington's pedestrian friendly main street) for a long down hill (approx. mile 9). It was one of the highlights of the race. It was packed with people, with cowbells, bands and even two guys in drag giving high fives. It was great. I picked up my pace and put in another faster mile. It was hard not to move faster.

Next we ran down through south Burlington. We ran by Lake Champlain chocolates. A year ago, my wife and I took a tour of the factory. I was in bad shape. Really a lowpoint for me both physically and emotionally. I couldn't run a mile then. I started running the day after that tour last year. Now, I was running by the factory on the way to finishing my first marathon. I teared up.

We then rambled through some neighborhoods until reaching the half way point on the bike path. I was still feeling good. My legs felt better than they had in weeks. On the path, I got to see some great views of Lake Champlain which was nice. As I headed down the path, I could hear drums in the distance. Loud drums.

It was like being in a movie. The most famous moment in VCM is the "assault on battery". It's roughly a mile long steep hill at mile 15-16. At the base of the hill there are about 25 Taiko Drummers, banging drums. It's awesome.

Running along a flat bike path, hearing the drummers, and knowing the hill was in store, provided a sense drama to an otherwise mundane stretch of the course.

As I rounded the corner and saw the hill, I got excited. The drummers got me going and I ran up the hill. The hills in my neighborhood coupled with the support of the spectators made this hill a piece of cake. I completed it in a respectable 10:45.

Once I crested the hill, I once again headed out of Burlington one last time. At mile 18, I hit the wall. One of the areas I failed in was executing my nutrition/hydration plan. I read a brochure from the race and got concerned about hyponatremia. For the first 17 miles, I took gatorade at every stop, I also used electrolyte chews which was a big mistake. Really big. I was also too excited and could only eat a banana for breakfast. At mile 11, I grabbed a half bagel because I was hungry which did nothing but make me thirstier. I also took a cliff shot packet and placed it in my pocket.

By mile 18, I was really thirsty and feeling it. I remembered that I should have alternated water and gatorade at each rest stop. With nothing else left to lose I took a cliff shot. It was pure sugar and I think it helped. I walked most of mile 18. When I got to water stops, I started taking 3 cups of water. Which helped.
I decided I was going to finish. This was the wall. This was mile 19 of a marathon. It was supposed to be hard. I decided to run for 5 minutes and walk for 1 minute. This helped me get through the wall. It wasn't about running 7 or 8 miles it was about running for 5 minutes.

A week ago on Facebook, my former boss at the Kennedy Library, Kara (an awesome runner) said she was going to be in Burlington and she offered to run with me from miles 20 to 25. I took her up on her offer. I hadn't seen her in 10 years.

But mile 20 came and went. I didn't see Kara. I thought that I may have missed her. Totally spent, I put on my headphones and started listening to "Use Somebody". At this point, I committed to fast walking because I could do it at a 14 minute per mile pace. Depressed, I took another cliff shot.
Then sometime after mile 21, I hear "RYAN!!!". There was Kara. She gave me a big hug which was brave of her because I stank and said let's go.
From the second I saw Kara to the second I crossed the finish line...I ran. Kara and I started talking about the last 10 years of our lives. Suddenly, I felt no pain....in fact I felt good. I can't wait to see my splits from 21-26 but I'm sure they were at least 6 minutes better than miles 18-20. On VCM's website it says that I passed 85 runners while only being passed 15 times during the last 6 miles.

I realized while running with Kara that the marathon is really a mental challenge with a running component. The lazy part of my mind didn't want me to run or I couldn't have done so with Kara. My legs were fine. I just needed a mental refresher.

Kara ran with me until 25.75 before patting me on the back and saying "run hard to the finish, Ryan!" I could hear the crowds. The next .5 was magical. It was everything I had worked for and hoped it would be. I crossed with a time of 4:49:01. I had hope for a 4:45 when I started the race.

It was magical. The marathon is magical. There's nothing like lining up to run it. There's nothing like finishing it. It wasn't twice as hard as the halves I've run it was 4x as hard. I followed Josh's advice and enjoyed every second of it...even the painful parts. I loved it.

Next stop in my adventure is a sub 2 hour Hartford Half this fall. Then it'll be onto my next marathon. Where I'm going to break 4:30. I'll post my splits when I get them.