DFA Kelly Johnson and send him to the Giants for a bucket of balls. Their 2b sitch is UGGLY.
And yes, he'll clear waivers.
And yes, he'll clear waivers.
Stephen Drew traded to Yankees for Kelly Johnson
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As entertaining as this is, you two need to take it to PMs.
And Nava was sent down to work on his swing because he had changed his approach at the plate and his swing mechanics and the best place to work on those was in the minors. He talked about it in an interview. I don't have time to search for it right now. That is very much different than Drew being very rusty and slow at the plate because he hadn't faced actual pitching all season.
And Nava was sent down to work on his swing because he had changed his approach at the plate and his swing mechanics and the best place to work on those was in the minors. He talked about it in an interview. I don't have time to search for it right now. That is very much different than Drew being very rusty and slow at the plate because he hadn't faced actual pitching all season.
Why quote me then? I was responding to a post that approached this from a Yankee perspective and I provided an explanation why it was good from a Yankee perspective.The Gray Eagle said:
You're saying that it would have been better for the Sox to put him on waivers and hope the Yankees pay full freight? I agree.
Plympton91 said:
I'll go with logic. They sent him down when he was not only sucking, but looked like he would never not suck. And after being sent down and sucking some more, he made some adjustments (his words, not mine) and began not sucking and was brought back. in other words, it was because he was sent down that he stopped sucking.
Now that I look at Craig, I see he has been playing regularly (just not well), so you're right, Carp should be a goner soon.Red(s)HawksFan said:
I have a sentimental attachment to Carp. I was hoping to use this gif for when Carp Plays
They'll need a SS next year and probably wanted to see how his bat plays in NY before paying him a multi-year contract to find out. This deal seems to be all about next season.JohntheBaptist said:
I am agreeing with you, but you left out the most important part, about fuck the Yankees.EvilEmpire said:
Well yeah, that's true, but I think the Prado deal is more about next year and beyond too. He's signed through 2016 and like you said earlier, his bat plays better in the IF. I expect he'll be the started 2B next year through 2016.jon abbey said:
absintheofmalaise said:
In Nava's first week at AAA, he was 8-27 with a 2B, 2 HR, and 4 BB. Whatever adjustments were required, didn't take very long. On the flip side, when he was called up he was actually in a pretty deep slump (8-34, 707 OPS in the final 10 games), a slump that continued through his first 4 big league games post call up (1-14).
There's no evidence that whatever adjustment he made upon stepping off the bus in Pawtucket couldn't have been made while still in the major leagues. And even less evidence that he shouldn't have been recalled once the 10 day minimum requirement was met, as JBJ was in the process of putting up a 490 OPS in May.
Thank you for agreeing with me that Drew is more likely to be the player he was in July than the player he was in June. Nonetheless, I'm not criticizing the move from the Red Sox perspective. They get significant salary relief, which is probably worth more than any prospect they could have gotten for him and can be reallocated to bidding on the newest wave of Cuban free agents. This is a good deal for the Red Sox; it is also likely to be a good deal for the Yankees, who despite the wishful thinking of many here, are very much alive in the race for the 2nd wild card. Good for them, for once again going for it.
I don't understand.
Why do anything to help the Yankees?
Even if it saves you 5 million dollars?
Why?
Why do anything to help the Yankees?
Even if it saves you 5 million dollars?
Why?
Dogman2 said:
It's a lot harder to luck into a really good offensive month than it is to have a really bad one.
Reggie's Racquet said:
Ugh.
Because we do things to help ourselves. If it was just helping the other team we wouldn't do it.
This is the sort of crap that the CHB fed for years. Thankfully we're past it.
Plympton91 said:
There was an intervening variable, so the issue of prediction is moot.
And I'm pretty sure he meant to say that you obfuscate issues, so "transparency" would be correct there--although it's intriguing that you exhibit a concern with being seen as inconsistent.
Stephen Drew - the player no one wanted.
Until he went to the Yankees.
HOW COME WE CAN'T GET PLAYERS LIKE THAT?
Until he went to the Yankees.
HOW COME WE CAN'T GET PLAYERS LIKE THAT?
You held that back?! You bastard.Sprowl said:Now that I look at Craig, I see he has been playing regularly (just not well), so you're right, Carp should be a goner soon.
I have a sentimental attachment to Carp. I was hoping to use this gif for when Carp Plays
And exactly how does this help us?SydneySox said:
This year is over...doesn't help us there.
If X needs to play more shortstop just sit Drew or DFA him or trade him anywhere else for nothing.
The player we got back from MFY doesn't help us.
It saves Red Sox ownership 4.5 million dollars...that doesn't help us.
It helps the Yankees at second and shortstop at an important time.
It gives them a good look at Drew for next year.
It helps Boras with both Drew and Xander.
So exactly how does this help us again?
Reggie's Racquet said:
Maybe you should step away from the keyboard and have a drink. Have you taken a recent look at the starting rotations of OAK and DET?
MFYs aren't doing anything this year. Absolutely no way. Stephen Drew won't matter one iota in the determination of the next world champion.
Reggie's Racquet said:
So you're saying... we save only $4.5 million on a player that is so good we'd DFA or trade him somewhere for nothing or just sit him so X can play more shortstop and as a result that player who's really good is going to 'give the Yankees a good look at him for next year' and helps them at BOTH shortstop and second now which is an important time AND it 'helps' Boras not only with that player but also with Xander.
Wow. When you put it that way, it makes so much sense.
Well you are right as Red Sox fans with no ownership stake it doesn't help us. However the Sox got the Yankee's to take a player they didn't want and pay most of his salary. To do that we had to take a guy they didn't want who makes less money and who we will likely DFA at some point.Reggie's Racquet said:
That helps the people who own the Red Sox. It may help the Yankee's some but they suck so who cares, they won't be winning anything of consequence this year.
Reggie's Racquet said:
I can't believe I'm responding to this nonsense, but...
Saving cash does help the team. You may not know why but that doesn't surprise me.
The Sox now let X and WMB play 50+ games at SS and 3B. That helps the team for the future. You may not know why but that doesn't surprise me.
Your post is nonsense, wrapped in WTF, surrounded by fail.
The Yankees just dug up almost 5 million for two months of Steven Drew? After all the money cashman already spent this offseason? For Drew?
It's amazing what Hal lets cashman get away with.
It's amazing what Hal lets cashman get away with.
it doesn't for me.Drek717 said:
We should of paid his full freight and got a prospect from someone and preferably not the MFY
Why do we care if we save $ for 2014
All the fretting won't matter when Cespedes and Craig end the Yankees season this weekend anyway.
Sorry I had not read this post, but this exactly SPOT ON.Reggie's Racquet said:
2014 is a sunk cost, we stayed under the salary cap so no problem with that for 2015.
There is no benefit, unless ownership comes out and says we saved $10MM by dealing these players at the end of 2014 and we plan on using that money to go over the salary cap by exactly that amount next year.
I've heard the ownership loud and clear, we will not get caught up in long term contracts for older players and thats fine/smart. I'm all for that, but when we go in SELL mode we need to re-invest the savings the following season. Otherwise we are just lining the pockets of ownership.
StuckOnYouk said:
Well, we don't know yet how much value the Yankees will get out of Drew this year. But we know how much the Sox got. With the added bonus of screwing with their young SS of the future.
Enjoy Kelly Johnson. Just don't put him at 1B.
benhogan said:
There are more ways to spend money than just on the payroll. Maybe this will allow them to bid higher on a Cuban FA, or a Japaneses FA, There are too many possibilities for you to conclude that saving 3.5 million on this deal does nothing for the organization preparing for the future.
benhogan said:
NO ONE WANTED STEPHEN DREW, including the Red Sox.
Then all of a sudden, at the last minute, Brian Cashman calls up and asks for him and is willing to pay the bulk of the guy's salary. And Ben Cherington should say "no, we'd rather pay him ourselves to play somewhere else." REALLY?
Holy shit.
benhogan said:
HAVE
Should HAVE
"Should of" is not a thing that means anything in this language.
Also you're wrong. If you don't understand why a business wants to save four million dollars while getting the same results, well, there's just nothing to go on.
Not understanding why the organization wants to save millions of dollars is like not understanding why you don't want to smear some icy hot on some rough grit sandpaper and fondle your balls with it.
Yeah along with I AM AN IDIOT
edit: Who, by the way, is the answer to:
"Name the guy you would least likely to believe would be, in August of 2014, the only one of the four guys who started a world series game for the boston still to be on the team."
edit: Who, by the way, is the answer to:
"Name the guy you would least likely to believe would be, in August of 2014, the only one of the four guys who started a world series game for the boston still to be on the team."
