Would love to see what CBS does with Svi.+1 on Wright
TT/Grant/Edwards for Wright/Svi
Would love to see what CBS does with Svi.+1 on Wright
TT/Grant/Edwards for Wright/Svi
Wright played really well against the C's last time out, if memory serves. I was surprised to see he was listed at 6-5. I thought he looked--and played--taller.So the discussion of PGs...
here's a name for a cheap guy who might make sense as a Teague replacement (though Teague has been better recently)...
Delon Wright. Currently injured, but he's a 6'5" PG who has graded out as a plus defender throughout his career and has been a shade over league average as a 3pt shooter in 3 of the last 4 seasons. Not particularly expensive, and DET is likely to move him.
I'd add a draft pick to that package.Would love to see what CBS does with Svi.
I'd feel better about Svi's availability if he were nailed to bench and not playing like this:I'd add a draft pick to that package.
Svi was going places last season (40% from three on 5 attempts/gm) then got firmly planted on the bench behind Ellington/Jax/ rookies this season, plus they need to play Sekou.
Ugh, Casey pulled out the nails and finally played him. Svi is averaging 16.8 mpg (12th for Detroit). I still think they like Josh Jackson/Bey at SF better and want to give minutes to Killian Hayes at PG. So they may be a hair motivated to see what they could get for Wright/SviI'd feel better about Svi's availability if he were nailed to bench and not playing like this:
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401309754
Well no worries, because according to Shams, Danny is targeting his teammate Jerami Grant. He also has the Celtics and the Hornets as interested in and describes the package Orlando would require as "massive."I'd feel better about Svi's availability if he were nailed to bench and not playing like this:
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401309754
I would be willing to go all-in for Jerami Grant (understanding that the Celtics have some issues putting together the necessary assets for that). He would be an almost perfect fit on several dimensions.Well no worries, because according to Shams, Danny is targeting his teammate Jerami Grant. He also has the Celtics and the Hornets as interested in and describes the package Orlando would require as "massive."
Paging @DeJesus to the courtesy phone...Well no worries, because according to Shams, Danny is targeting his teammate Jerami Grant. He also has the Celtics and the Hornets as interested in and describes the package Orlando would require as "massive."
I would prefer Grant to Vooch by a huge margin, just because center is so much more fungible and I'm happy with the Celtics current guys there.Paging @DeJesus to the courtesy phone...
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Vucevic or Grant would be insane adds but obviously 0.01% chance it happens. Grant would be oh so perfect.
The one concern with Grant might be personality fit. He turned down similar money from Denver to go to Detroit for a bigger role. He might not be happy coming to Boston to be at best a 4th option. From a pure basketball perspective, I agree he would be great.I would be willing to go all-in for Jerami Grant (understanding that the Celtics have some issues putting together the necessary assets for that). He would be an almost perfect fit on several dimensions.
True, although he'd get a pretty big role once Kemba was inevitably traded, which he'd have to be over the summer if you went this route.The one concern with Grant might be personality fit. He turned down similar money from Denver to go to Detroit for a bigger role. He might not be happy coming to Boston to be at best a 4th option. From a pure basketball perspective, I agree he would be great.
Yeah, he fits everything we need but hopefully the chance of actually doing something in the playoffs may motivate him. His shooting volume would obviously go down but there are shots to be had.The one concern with Grant might be personality fit. He turned down similar money from Denver to go to Detroit for a bigger role. He might not be happy coming to Boston to be at best a 4th option. From a pure basketball perspective, I agree he would be great.
Yeah, I think Grant would end up being No. 3 in Boston.True, although he'd get a pretty big role once Kemba was inevitably traded, which he'd have to be over the summer if you went this route.
Grant turns 27 in about a week. He's signed for 2 more years. The Pistons are in great position to get a ton of assets for a guy who probably won't be on the team in a couple years. The rest of their roster is an absolute disaster so, while they aren't looking to deal him, they should absolutely listen if a team like the Celtics comes calling with a legit offer of young players and picks.The question that I've yet to see answered is why the Pistons would want to move Grant after a season in which he's been their best player? Is he a locker-room cancer?
Exactly--he likely isn't part of the next great Pistons' team, so they can effectively turn last year's cap space into a haul.Grant turns 27 in about a week. He's signed for 2 more years. The Pistons are in great position to get a ton of assets for a guy who probably won't be on the team in a couple years. The rest of their roster is an absolute disaster so, while they aren't looking to deal him, they should absolutely listen if a team like the Celtics comes calling with a legit offer of young players and picks.
Good points, though I have bad memories of that disastrous Detroit roster winning 2 of 3 (so far) from Boston this season.Grant turns 27 in about a week. He's signed for 2 more years. The Pistons are in great position to get a ton of assets for a guy who probably won't be on the team in a couple years. The rest of their roster is an absolute disaster so, while they aren't looking to deal him, they should absolutely listen if a team like the Celtics comes calling with a legit offer of young players and picks.
I would prefer Grant to Vooch by a huge margin, just because center is so much more fungible and I'm happy with the Celtics current guys there.
Yeah, between the white whale in Grant and guys like Wright, Ellington, Svi, it just feels like there is a deal to be made with Detroit. They have so many guys who could help us and who should be reasonably available.Yeah, same here.
Obviously the Pistons are in no position to decline offers loaded with future assets, but I’d be a little surprised if they move their big acquisition so soon. And Grant went there in large part because he wanted to be The Guy, so I wonder how he’d feel about the necessary decline in usage here.
I like Wright a lot too, and the Pistons should be seeing what they have in Hayes, DSJ and Saban Lee, so he should be eminently available. A package of him and Ellington would be helpful.
True. God being the dregs of the NBA sucks.Grant turns 27 in about a week. He's signed for 2 more years. The Pistons are in great position to get a ton of assets for a guy who probably won't be on the team in a couple years. The rest of their roster is an absolute disaster so, while they aren't looking to deal him, they should absolutely listen if a team like the Celtics comes calling with a legit offer of young players and picks.
Death, taxes, and a media cocktease leading up to the deadline.Paging @DeJesus to the courtesy phone...
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Vucevic or Grant would be insane adds but obviously 0.01% chance it happens. Grant would be oh so perfect.
Yup, something like that. Which is why I'd prefer it to be for a big wing, and not a center.Conceptually, what does a Grant/Vucevic deal look like?
Figure 2 or 3 from the following group:
Time Lord
PP
Nesmith
Langford
And multiple picks/swaps, no?
Ellington should be an easy get*, he's 33 and has been a bench guy his entire career.Ugh, also noticed Ellington went off for 25pts.
Shot 41 percent from 3 last season and is at 38 percent this season. He'd be a shooter off the bench.What is the appeal of Svi? He's a guy who has never been good and is in the last year of his deal. He had one partial season of being a good 3pt shooter, he can't defend really, I don't see how he cracks our rotation. He's closer to Carsen Edwards than a rotation player on a good NBA tea,
He also left a team that was, before the season, widely thought to be the club knocking on the door in the West. There are definite questions about how Grant would fit in to the team in terms of chemistry. My sense is that most of these trades aren't done without a lot of feeling out not only between the trading partners but also between the parties potentially linking up. I understand there are rules but I don't think they apply to a front office person calling their agent friend and asking how X likes a certain city etc.All I'll say on Grant is that he's going to be very pissed if he gets traded to the Celtics from all the things he said about his signing this summer. He wanted a place he had a role, he wanted to play for and support a Black coach and a Black lead exec, he cared more about that than money. If they immediately trade him to Boston, a team with one of the whitest coaching staffs and front offices in the league, where (at least for now) he's the 4th option on a team not clearly better than the DEN one he left.... he's gonna be pissed.
It also probably isn't great for how players and agents view you as a franchise if a guy signs with you because you sell him on how you're building, he takes a chance on you and you trade him 5 months later. It's a business and guys will still sign, but they'll be far less willing to go there for anything other than the clear most money.
Yup. And Danny is coming off of the Lierie experience so he's almost certainly extra sensitive to this. If he deals for Grant, it'll be because he knows Grant is good with it.He also left a team that was, before the season, widely thought to be the club knocking on the door in the West. There are definite questions about how Grant would fit in to the team in terms of chemistry. My sense is that most of these trades aren't done without a lot of feeling out not only between the trading partners but also between the parties potentially linking up. I understand there are rules but I don't think they apply to a front office person calling their agent friend and asking how X likes a certain city etc.
He's shooting 33% from 3, he's shooting 38% FROM THE FIELD.Shot 41 percent from 3 last season and is at 38 percent this season. He'd be a shooter off the bench.
Moreover, Stevens has a good track record with some of these reclamation projects. (See Evan Turner.)
The appeal of Svi is that he's a wing sized human being unlike Kemba, PP, Teague and Carsen and may be able to shoot and keeps the ball moving. I wouldn't call him a playmaker but compared to the other non-Jay wings on the roster he looks like Chris Paul. His minutes and role have been all over the place this season. Last year when he was getting consistent run he shot 40% from three, taking 5 a game and 80% from the line. This year he's at 33%. The acquisition cost would be low given that, as you noted, he's an impending FA, on a team going nowhere now and which does not appear see him as part of their future. I am assume a second. As noted above he can fit in a non-Hayward TPE.He's shooting 33% from 3, he's shooting 38% FROM THE FIELD.
I can't imagine the Celtics want to trade for an impending FA who isn't demonstrably better than they guys they have under contract, Svi has no clear advantage on any of our bench guys beyond maybe Carsen. I think he'd clearly be behind all of these in the rotation : TL, Theis, TT, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Kemba, PP, Teague. He'd probably be behind Nesmith and Semi as well, and if he ever gets back Langford. He's not that good a shooter looking at his history and charts, and he doesn't really defend. There should be no role for him on this team.
I'm real dubious. He doesn't defend, so who cares how big he is, Green is a much better defender for example, so are Semi and Langford, and Nesmith shows signs.The appeal of Svi is that he's a wing sized human being unlike Kemba, PP, Teague and Carsen and may be able to shoot and keeps the ball moving. I wouldn't call him a playmaker but compared to the other non-Jay wings on the roster he looks like Chris Paul. His minutes and role have been all over the place this season. Last year when he was getting consistent run he shot 40% from three, taking 5 a game and 80% from the line. This year he's at 33%. The acquisition cost would be low given that, as you noted, he's an impending FA, on a team going nowhere now and which does not appear see him as part of their future. I am assume a second. As noted above he can fit in a non-Hayward TPE.
I agree he's not taking minutes from TL, Theis or TT at the 5. If he is shooting it like last year then I can see him slotting in ahead of Semi, Nesmith and Langford, particularly when Kemba is not on the floor and Smart is playing point. If a change of scenery and CBS's whispering don't result in a return to the form of last year, then you staple him to the bench and let him walk.
He's not a savior. But perhaps worth taking a shot on depending on who else is available.
That strikes me as a significant overpay and I really like Bjelica, but who knows each deadline is its own animal. Three years ago Memphis didn't make a deal b/c it couldn't get a first for Tyreke Evans when he was putting up 20/5/5 and shooting 39% from 3. In 2019, Rodney Hood cost two seconds. Last year the Knicks got a first, a second and a, probably useless, 1st round swap for Morris.Does Theis and a 1st rounder get us Bjelica? They are both expiring contracts, but at least it saves the Kings a little bit of money. Bjelica is at least more of a classic 4 than Theis, a better outside shot. We might need Edwards or Semi to balance out the money.
Everything i've read has the price as a 2nd round pick and a young playerThat strikes me as a significant overpay and I really like Bjelica, but who knows each deadline is its own animal. Three years ago Memphis didn't make a deal b/c it couldn't get a first for Tyreke Evans when he was putting up 20/5/5 and shooting 39% from 3. In 2019, Rodney Hood cost two seconds. Last year the Knicks got a first, a second and a, probably useless, 1st round swap for Morris.
Yea, that is a huge huge overpay. I wouldn't give a first, or Theis for Bjelica - and I also really like him and want him on this team.That strikes me as a significant overpay and I really like Bjelica, but who knows each deadline is its own animal. Three years ago Memphis didn't make a deal b/c it couldn't get a first for Tyreke Evans when he was putting up 20/5/5 and shooting 39% from 3. In 2019, Rodney Hood cost two seconds. Last year the Knicks got a first, a second and a, probably useless, 1st round swap for Morris.
Uhh, so I guess you didn't know Harvey Grant was his dad and Jerian was his brother.Things I didn't know. Jerami's Grant uncle is Horace Grant
Svi is a very on the edges move and really doesn't move the needle a huge amount. Plus I'm not dying on the "Svi Mykhailiuk" hill, but he's cheap (fits in VP exception), is a FA and should cost little to acquire (ie Edwards) since Casey has barely used him (maybe that tells us something?)He's shooting 33% from 3, he's shooting 38% FROM THE FIELD.
I can't imagine the Celtics want to trade for an impending FA who isn't demonstrably better than they guys they have under contract, Svi has no clear advantage on any of our bench guys beyond maybe Carsen. I think he'd clearly be behind all of these in the rotation : TL, Theis, TT, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Kemba, PP, Teague. He'd probably be behind Nesmith and Semi as well, and if he ever gets back Langford. He's not that good a shooter looking at his history and charts, and he doesn't really defend. There should be no role for him on this team.
Theis is better than Bjelica and a 1st is worth more then BjelicaDoes Theis and a 1st rounder get us Bjelica? They are both expiring contracts, but at least it saves the Kings a little bit of money. Bjelica is at least more of a classic 4 than Theis, a better outside shot. We might need Edwards or Semi to balance out the money.
He's Jiri Welsch. One good year and all.Svi is a very on the edges move and really doesn't move the needle a huge amount. Plus I'm not dying on the "Svi Mykhailiuk" hill, but he's cheap (fits in VP exception), is a FA and should cost little to acquire (ie Edwards) since Casey has barely used him (maybe that tells us something?)
Last season it all came together for Svi, with a specified role/some minutes and shots. He may be better than any of our other bench wings? Grant/Semi/Green/Edwards have not really stepped forward and all have been given a chance. Svi also fits the JayCrew timeline so it would be a try-out of sorts for being a potential bench wing for future seasons.
Obviously, Wright would be THE get and Jerami Grant is by far the sexiest of the bunch.
Svi could be a Jonas Jerebko or a Luigi Datome ...nothing to get hung up on
Theis is a really valuable player. I wish there were a way to keep him but he is almost certainly going to get offered a lot of money elsewhere. And then we will post "why can't we get players like that" when he abuses the Celtics in a season or two (while drawing very few fouls!). I am hoping his impending free agency means he won't go out in any deal but I can see some acquiring teams thinking that bringing him in for a few months might give them an advantage to sign him.Giving up assets to "upgrade" from Theis to Bjelica (I wouldn't make that trade straight up, Theis's defense is really underrated here) or Semi to Svi strikes me as a terrible idea. I haven't seen much of Svi since his Kansas days, but he was a pretty terrible defender in the Big 12 and I can't imagine he's much better against pros. He's due for some positive regression shooting the ball, but even then he's one-dimensional. Delon Wright would be a really solid, under-the-radar get though.
good lord, Jiri averaged 27 mpg for the 2003-4 CelticsHe's Jiri Welsch. One good year and all.
Agreed, I'm curious to see how his market shakes out. He feels like he could get anywhere from $10,000,000-15,000,000 per season. I feel like it's almost inevitable, given his good relationship with Hayward and Rozier, that he goes to the Hornets who have no veteran big men under contract for next season.Theis is a really valuable player. I wish there were a way to keep him but he is almost certainly going to get offered a lot of money elsewhere. And then we will post "why can't we get players like that" when he abuses the Celtics in a season or two (while drawing very few fouls!). I am hoping his impending free agency means he won't go out in any deal but I can see some acquiring teams thinking that bringing him in for a few months might give them an advantage to sign him.
Hey now, Jiri Welsch was traded for the 2007 first-round pick (!!!!) that was in turn traded to Phoenix for the Rondo pick. Pretty great legacy.good lord, Jiri average 27 mpg for the 2003-4 Celtics
He did share the court with Mark Blount, so Jiri has that going for him