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singaporesoxfan said:Isn't that because the other option would be to kick a field goal which would also be running up the score? Seattle went for it twice, on the Denver 30 and Denver 26 - easily within Hauschka's range.
Really a stunning testament to the overwhelming dominance of the big bad NFL.soxhop411 said:MT @NFLonFOX: #SB48 on FOX breaks record, most watched show ever with 111.5 million viewers. http://foxs.pt/1fphR9g
To imagine the Pats in that game is just totally delusional. You made the point about the Denver -- Pats comp: Denver dominated both side of LOS.Tony C said:
No kidding -- how many millions did he cost himself?
Bah...there's just no way the Pats could have competed. First, give the Broncos credit -- they dominated the Pats with a team that also had a ton of injuries. Second, the Pats just weren't that good this year. A legit playoff team that was too injury riddled to make a serious run. I'm almost happy they didn't make it to the SB as I would not have enjoyed being steamrolled.
Nah I just want an apology. "Wow Seattle has an insurmountable lead and they're going for it on fourth down instead of kicking. Boy, I remember when people where castigating the Patriots for the same thing. Were they sure wrong! Going for it was the right thing for the Patriots back then and Seattle now."singaporesoxfan said:On running up the score: I suppose, but the argument then boils down to "the media treats the Pats in an unfair can't-win manner in such situations, so I want them to act in a similarly wrongheaded fashion with other teams, and I'm annoyed that they didn't do so with Seattle." That's not a very strong complaint.
Edit: to clarify what my post was in response to.
Probably wouldn't have lost by 35, but man Seattle brought their A game. Not sure anyone in the league is very competitive with them yesterday.dcmissle said:To imagine the Pats in that game is just totally delusional. You made the point about the Denver -- Pats comp: Denver dominated both side of LOS.
So why are we to suppose the situation would have better against Seattle? And even if the lines played better, who catching passes for NE would have given Seattle's secondary and LBs a moment's pause? Edelman. Amendola, Dobson, Vereen?
Good Christ.
If there's a bigger dumb ass on sports radio, I'm not sure who it is.RedOctober3829 said:Alfred Williams on his Denver sports radio show says they should have ran the ball more when they were down 22-0 because Peyton didn't have it. Gotcha.
Bonus points for juxtaposition of "nuggets"Sox and Rocks said:If there's a bigger dumb ass on sports radio, I'm not sure who it is.
A few examples: In November, when the Broncos were about to play the Chiefs for the first time, he said the Chiefs were better than the Broncos because they have more impact players on D. In fact, he took it one step further and said there wasn't one player on Denver's D he would take over any player on the Chiefs D (not Von Miller, who was healthy at the time) because the Chiefs D "played better as a unit." Then, when Denver beat KC twice, he said "he was right at the time" and stood by his comments.
After the AFC championship game, he said Denver's D was as good as any D in football. His reason: "they've been playing as good as any other D, therefore they are..." Just last Thursday he was claiming Denver would rout Seattle because Denver's offense was the best of all time and Seattle "doesn't have impact players on D." In fact, he claimed he would take Denver's secondary over Seattles'...
And these are just a few of the nuggets I picked up in listening to his show for about 15 minutes, 3 days a week on my drive across town to a different campus. I kid you not. This guy is paid for analysis.
I caught about 20 minutes on my way home from work today and he lost his mind completely. He was saying that the first thing Denver needs to fix, and the only thing, is the running game. When countered that Seattle and Denver had the exact same number of yards of rushing he flipped out and basically said that since Seattle's D scored more than Denver's O it didn't matter. That was 20 minutes of some really sad analysis. He does sometimes provide great insight into insider NFL locker room type aspects but just fails at analysis.Sox and Rocks said:If there's a bigger dumb ass on sports radio, I'm not sure who it is.
A few examples: In November, when the Broncos were about to play the Chiefs for the first time, he said the Chiefs were better than the Broncos because they have more impact players on D. In fact, he took it one step further and said there wasn't one player on Denver's D he would take over any player on the Chiefs D (not Von Miller, who was healthy at the time) because the Chiefs D "played better as a unit." Then, when Denver beat KC twice, he said "he was right at the time" and stood by his comments.
After the AFC championship game, he said Denver's D was as good as any D in football. His reason: "they've been playing as good as any other D, therefore they are..." Just last Thursday he was claiming Denver would rout Seattle because Denver's offense was the best of all time and Seattle "doesn't have impact players on D." In fact, he claimed he would take Denver's secondary over Seattles'...
And these are just a few of the nuggets I picked up in listening to his show for about 15 minutes, 3 days a week on my drive across town to a different campus. I kid you not. This guy is paid for analysis.
TheoShmeo said:
4. Will Belichick learn anything from how Seattle conducted itself? I'm hardly a BB basher but I am hopeful that he wont just put his head down and go about business as he always have. I think there are some things to learn from Snyder and Carroll, as much as it pains me to say that. Will BB try?
drleather2001 said:
What, exactly, can he "learn" from Carroll, aside from luck into two stellar DBs in the fifth round in two consecutive drafts, and have a top-15 pick to use on another DB?
Richard Sherman, speaking to Robert Klemko of TheMMQB.com, said the Seahawks played Manning straight up but also "jumped some routes."
"All we did was play situational football," Sherman said. "We knew what route concepts they liked on different downs, so we jumped all the routes. Then we figured out the hand signals for a few of the route audibles in the first half."
And then, according to Klemko, Sherman "demonstratethe signs Manning used for various routes" and claimed he and his teammates were predicting the plays Manning used during the game and nailing them.
"Me, Earl [Thomas], Kam [Chancellor] ... we're not just three All-Pro players. We're three All-Pro minds," Sherman said. "Now, if Peyton had thrown in some double moves, if he had gone out of character, we could've been exposed."
I'm actually inclined to believe that the fifth round DB's were less a product of luck then that guy who throws the ball who went in the 6th.drleather2001 said:
What, exactly, can he "learn" from Carroll, aside from luck into two stellar DBs in the fifth round in two consecutive drafts, and have a top-15 pick to use on another DB?
I don't know if he had this in mind, but there is a lot more going on in Seattle than dumb ass luck. The team is incredibly well run and well positioned going forward.drleather2001 said:
What, exactly, can he "learn" from Carroll, aside from luck into two stellar DBs in the fifth round in two consecutive drafts, and have a top-15 pick to use on another DB?
dcmissle said:I don't know if he had this in mind, but there is a lot more going on in Seattle than dumb ass luck. The team is incredibly well run and well positioned going forward.
I loved the demolition of the mantra that defense can't dominate in today's league. So the world should have been cowed by that incredible, awesome, super duper Broncos offense that was just going to roll everybody.
Seattle GM deserves credit for finding low round gems. Carroll deserves credit for coaching them up. They are built to last
I think the addition of guys like Collins, Ryan and Harmon this year, Hightower and Jones in 2012 show that BB is committed to an athletic, tough defense going forward. Obviously, Collins is a fantastic athlete for his size and Ryan is probably their most physical corner after Talib.drleather2001 said:
Yes, and the quality of their play is based in large part on the talent on the field, particularly the talent in their secondary.
If you want to argue that the Patriots should get better at drafting or developing DBs, I'm right there with you, but I don't think that's something Belichick will "learn" from watching the the game the other day. And the notion that BB isn't aware that having a physical, play making defense, is a key to success is frankly absurd, and ignores the fact that he coached exactly such a defense from 2001-2007 or so.
TheoShmeo said:Four unrelated thoughts this morning.
2. Not that I particularly care, but I think Russell Wilson should have been the MVP. Really, the MVP should have been the Seattle defense, but if you're going to give it to a player, you can't ignore that Wilson was basically flawless (with the exception of a few inconsequential yips throws), made numerous third down plays with his legs, arm and arm/legs that kept drives alive, lead Seattle to points on 5 of their first 6 drives and did all of that without the benefit of a running game outside of the two Harvin gadget plays. Smith had a great game, caught Peyton's duck and recovered a fumble, but I have a hard time believing that his contributions were more valualbe than Wilson's.
4. Will Belichick learn anything from how Seattle conducted itself? I'm hardly a BB basher but I am hopeful that he wont just put his head down and go about business as he always have. I think there are some things to learn from Snyder and Carroll, as much as it pains me to say that. Will BB try?
drleather2001 said:
What, exactly, can he "learn" from Carroll, aside from luck into two stellar DBs in the fifth round in two consecutive drafts, and have a top-15 pick to use on another DB?
dcmissle said:I don't know if he had this in mind, but there is a lot more going on in Seattle than dumb ass luck. The team is incredibly well run and well positioned going forward.
I loved the demolition of the mantra that defense can't dominate in today's league. So the world should have been cowed by that incredible, awesome, super duper Broncos offense that was just going to roll everybody.
Seattle GM deserves credit for finding low round gems. Carroll deserves credit for coaching them up. They are built to last
The goldfish. The common housefly. Squirrels. Observers of the NFL.
Of all Earth’s creatures, these are among the ones possessing the shortest memories.
Now, onto the invincibility of the Seahawks.
But before we do that, let’s look back 365 days at what was being written after the Ravens beat the 49ers. Remember, that was the game in which people seemed just as interested in how much Joe Flacco would get paid as who would actually win
(“Joe Flacco, pay the man” returns 110,000 hits when googled).
Joe had arrived.
The year before, after Eli Manning won his second Super Bowl, we were poleaxed as a nation by the heady debate of whether or not he was “elite.”
After the Packers won the Super Bowl in 2010, how could anyone foresee another team challenging Green Bay over the next several years.
Flacco and the Ravens missed the playoffs this year. Manning hasn’t been back to the playoffs. The Packers have won one playoff game since they won the Super Bowl.
We can keep going? The Saints have won two playoff games since 2009. The Steelers have won two playoff games since 2008 – both in the same season. The Patriots have won four playoff games since 2007. The Colts have won three playoff games since 2006 (two in 2009 when they went to the Super Bowl).
I’m not saying Seattle’s going to fall off the table but they have a core of young, late-round draft choices that just helped them win a Super Bowl. Pete Carroll is about to see what high class problems look like when those guys are up for new deals.
Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett, Golden Tate, K.J. Wright, Malcolm Smith, Doug Baldwin, Steve Hauschka, Brandon Browner and Walter Thurmond all have expiring contracts over the next 14 months. And Russell Wilson’s gonna need a raise. And Percy Harvin’s got a stupid contract.
Sunday was an indicator of what the 2013 Seahawks were capable of when everything went right. With the other 31 teams now readying to take Seattle down – and all of the Seahawks 53 players needing new deals and/or dealing with the life of a champion, now is when it gets hard for the Seahawks.
Sunday was the easy part.
We can keep going? The Saints have won two playoff games since 2009. The Steelers have won two playoff games since 2008 – both in the same season. The Patriots have won four playoff games since 2007. The Colts have won three playoff games since 2006 (two in 2009 when they went to the Super Bowl).
How about a nice deep d-line rotation? Carroll & Co just kept rolling those guys in. Big corners with wing span also are nicedrleather2001 said:
Yes, and the quality of their play is based in large part on the talent on the field, particularly the talent in their secondary.
If you want to argue that the Patriots should get better at drafting or developing DBs, I'm right there with you, but I don't think that's something Belichick will "learn" from watching the the game the other day. And the notion that BB isn't aware that having a physical, play making defense, is a key to success is frankly absurd, and ignores the fact that he coached exactly such a defense from 2001-2007 or so.
You heard it here first, BB. Get some linemen on a deep rotation and big CBs. No, not Wilfork and Kelly and Fanene -- they all got hurt, you moron! And not that one CB you got for a 4th-round pick -- you need more!dcmissle said:How about a nice deep d-line rotation? Carroll & Co just kept rolling those guys in. Big corners with wing span also are nice
Didn't realize Louis Farrakhan had a Twitter account (and an iPhone).soxhop411 said:via twitter