Tastes Great v. Less Filling: Softenss of the Colts and How They Matched Up Against the Pats

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So, some folks posted in here how you should NOT believe the talk that Indy's run defense was better and how, despite all the talk, the offense simply wasn't what it was earlier in the season and had actually struggled late in the season.
 
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Midway through the third quarter, all I could think about was:
Meet the new boss
The same as the old boss
 
How soft can you fucking be to get beat by the same thing four times in a row? What a pretender team this Colts team is.
 

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But seriously, if you're an Indy fan, This must seem like déjà vu.

Fuck those holier than thou cow lickers.
 

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Jnai said:
Midway through the third quarter, all I could think about was:
Meet the new boss
The same as the old boss
 
How soft can you fucking be to get beat by the same thing four times in a row? What a pretender team this Colts team is.
They played that song in Gillette in the 4th quarter in the 2004 divisional after the Colts came in favored and got smacked around again. Was a great moment then and is true here too, can't believe they just got run over again.
 
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So, some folks posted in here how you should NOT believe the talk that Indy's run defense was better and how, despite all the talk, the offense simply wasn't what it was earlier in the season and had actually struggled late in the season.
 
Point me.
I have given you some crap in the past, but you are consistently one of the best posters in this forum and have been absolutely killing it for weeks. It's been a long time since I've read a DrewDawg post and thought "wtf?". you may not have been sincerely looking for kudos here on this one thing, but your recent overall body of work deserves them.
 

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I don't want to give the guy clicks but Doyel's post game article was to taunt Jonas Gray about why he is not playing anymore.
 
Funny, neither are the Colts
 

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reggiecleveland said:
I don't want to give the guy clicks but Doyel's post game article was to taunt Jonas Gray about why he is not playing anymore.
 
What an ass.
This guy is a grade A douchebag. Self righteous, whiny, annoying prick. The living caricature of the Manning/Dungy era Colts fan.
 

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reggiecleveland said:
I don't want to give the guy clicks but Doyel's post game article was to taunt Jonas Gray about why he is not playing anymore.
 
What an ass.
He is an ass but I believe that column was written before the game not after.
 

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Jnai said:
Midway through the third quarter, all I could think about was:
Meet the new boss
The same as the old boss
 
How soft can you fucking be to get beat by the same thing four times in a row? What a pretender team this Colts team is.
 
"Soft, pretenders" don't go into Denver and win. The Colts aren't as talented and they also played poorly but their real problem is their current roster matches up very poorly against the Patriots. 
 

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reggiecleveland said:
I don't want to give the guy clicks but Doyel's post game article was to taunt Jonas Gray about why he is not playing anymore.
 
What an ass.
Wonder if he'll appear on CSNE to take his lumps. I won't get my hopes up.
 

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soxfan121 said:
 
"Soft, pretenders" don't go into Denver and win. The Colts aren't as talented and they also played poorly but their real problem is their current roster matches up very poorly against the Patriots. 
 
Sure, the overall roster isn't as good, but isn't Andrew Luck awfully overrated? He's good, well above average, but he really hasn't earned the accolades he gets (even in loss).
 

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soxfan121 said:
 
"Soft, pretenders" don't go into Denver and win. The Colts aren't as talented and they also played poorly but their real problem is their current roster matches up very poorly against the Patriots. 
 
Manning was clearly hurt and played one of his worst games as a pro. The coach and the entire staff essentially got fired immediately following the game. Let's not act like this Colts team went and played the Denver team that looked like a force over the last several seasons.
 
This Colts team looked soft. They got beat with the Patriots doing exactly what the Patriots did the last four times they beat them. Steamrolled on the ground and the Pats had guys running open all game. The Colts offense, meanwhile, was completely impotent for long stretches.
 
Which pieces of the roster "match up very poorly"? They couldn't stop the run, couldn't stop the pass, couldn't run, and couldn't pass. Seems like they're just not a very good football team that got to play Andy Dalton with no AJ Green and a Broncos team with an unhealthy Manning.
 

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Sure, the overall roster isn't as good, but isn't Andrew Luck awfully overrated? He's good, well above average, but he really hasn't earned the accolades he gets (even in loss).
 
I know what you're saying, but I tend to think he's better than what Pats fans have seen. NE has his number, which makes him seem less of a quality QB than he probably is
 

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I'll give Luck credit for being a standup guy in his post game interview.

Too bad he plays for that team, he'd be a decent guy to root for.
 

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I'll give Luck credit for being a standup guy in his post game interview.

Too bad he plays for that team, he'd be a decent guy to root for.
 
 
Luck is very easy to root for. Immensely talented, real, smart. Damn Indy for sucking enough to get him! ;)
 

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Tony C said:
Sure, the overall roster isn't as good, but isn't Andrew Luck awfully overrated? He's good, well above average, but he really hasn't earned the accolades he gets (even in loss).
I don't know, he's not Rodgers or Manning or Brady yet, but he's in his third year and is pretty damn good. The rest of that roster isn't particularly good. He's a top 2 long-term NFL asset given age, Indy likely is decent or better for the next decade.
 

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A pretty funny column (from a NE perspective), and no excuses are made...just plain dominance admitted (perhaps mostly in the coaching sphere)...
 
Does a similar article exist from the Green Bay press?  That would prove to be quite a read.
 

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Jnai said:
 
Manning was clearly hurt and played one of his worst games as a pro. The coach and the entire staff essentially got fired immediately following the game. Let's not act like this Colts team went and played the Denver team that looked like a force over the last several seasons.
 
This Colts team looked soft. They got beat with the Patriots doing exactly what the Patriots did the last four times they beat them. Steamrolled on the ground and the Pats had guys running open all game. The Colts offense, meanwhile, was completely impotent for long stretches.
 
Which pieces of the roster "match up very poorly"? They couldn't stop the run, couldn't stop the pass, couldn't run, and couldn't pass. Seems like they're just not a very good football team that got to play Andy Dalton with no AJ Green and a Broncos team with an unhealthy Manning.
 
There are plenty of places on the internet - some closer than they appear - where you could read all about the Colts and how they matchup poorly with the Patriots. 
 
You're entitled to your opinion, and there's definitely some quicksand involved, but you're too harsh on the Colts. They aren't as bad as they have looked against the Patriots, something that's immediately clear when you watch them play other teams. 
 

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They aren't terrible, but they are in that same tier with the Ravens and Bengals as not serious contenders that needed real lightning to strike to win a championship.
 

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soxfan121 said:
 
"Soft, pretenders" don't go into Denver and win. The Colts aren't as talented and they also played poorly but their real problem is their current roster matches up very poorly against the Patriots. 
 
Ya, because they're soft and Denver refused to run it down their throats. 
 

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They aren't terrible, but they are in that same tier with the Ravens and Bengals as not serious contenders that needed real lightning to strike to win a championship.
 
Implying by omission that Pittsburgh was a serious contender?
 
And as an aside, it looks like the only legitimate contenders were Dallas, Green Bay, Seattle and New England. 
 

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soxfan121 said:
 
Implying by omission that Pittsburgh was a serious contender?
 
And as an aside, it looks like the only legitimate contenders were Dallas, Green Bay, Seattle and New England. 
 
After how the Ravens played vs the Pats, they have to be in that elite group.
 

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After how the Ravens played vs the Pats, they have to be in that elite group.
Colts need to be in there too then since they actually won their game, no way the Ravens were as good this year as the four teams he mentioned.
 

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After how the Ravens played vs the Pats, they have to be in that elite group.
 
I disagree. The Ravens are a team who matches up well against the Patriots. A Ravens-Colts game would have been advantage Colts (secondary injuries, Luck mobility, etc.). 
 

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A pretty funny column (from a NE perspective), and no excuses are made...just plain dominance admitted (perhaps mostly in the coaching sphere)...
Fun read, but anyone who uses "untracked" in lieu of "on track", and has an editor who doesn't catch it, really pisses me off.
 

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Fun read, but anyone who uses "untracked" in lieu of "on track", and has an editor who doesn't catch it, really pisses me off.
 
I prefer "on track", but apparently "untracked" has a long history of its own and probably isn't an eggcorn for "on track".  It's acceptable according to Webster's, with no notes about being a variant or colloquialism:
 
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/untrack


Untrack. transitive verb  to cause to escape from a slump <couldn't get untracked and played poorly throughout the game>
 

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soxfan121 said:
 
There are plenty of places on the internet - some closer than they appear - where you could read all about the Colts and how they matchup poorly with the Patriots. 
 
You're entitled to your opinion, and there's definitely some [url="[/url] involved, but you're too harsh on the Colts. They aren't as bad as they have looked against the Patriots, something that's immediately clear when you watch them play other teams. 
Oh come on. We don't need roster analytics or advanced film break down to see the enormous gap between teams that met twice during the regular season and got taken apart both times. This is like watching someone use advanced metrics to break down the skill differences between Mike Trout and Will Middlebrooks.

I understand that the Colts match up poorly, but they match up poorly because they're not nearly on the same talent level. Then, once we've accounted for the massive talent gap, we can talk about the marginal effects of the 6 lineman package on their linebackers or how the Pats secondary matches up against the WR.
 

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Oh come on. We don't need roster analytics or advanced film break down to see the enormous gap between teams that met twice during the regular season and got taken apart both times. This is like watching someone use advanced metrics to break down the skill differences between Mike Trout and Will Middlebrooks.

I understand that the Colts match up poorly, but they match up poorly because they're not nearly on the same talent level. Then, once we've accounted for the massive talent gap, we can talk about the marginal effects of the 6 lineman package on their linebackers or how the Pats secondary matches up against the WR.
 
This post is chock full of suck. Let us count the ways: 
1. The Colts and Patriots met once in the regular season. 
2. "Roster analytics" - a bullshit term you made up in response to being told to go read something. Anything. 
3. "Advanced film breakdown" - another bullshit term that means nothing in reaction to being told to go educate yourself. 
4. A spurious analogy based on "advanced metrics"  that serves to distract from the discussion.
5. An ADMISSION that the "Colts matchup poorly". Which, when you re-read the thread, was the point of the discussion. So, thanks. You did get the point, you just wanted to make sure you could be as obfuscating as possible in conceding it. 
6. A re-statement of something else told to you up thread.
7. Hey...where's your proof the Colts are "soft"? It must be missing in between your capitulation to the discussion points up above. 
8. Oh, so matchups DO matter? 
9. Again, where's the proof the Colts are "soft"? Got any? At all? 
10. To recap, you made a debatable claim. It was challenged. You doubled-down. You were given hints to where you could educate yourself. Your response was to go to bed, wake up, and add this to the discussion. 
 
Congrats, that's a pretty excellent example of how to poorly discuss shit on the internet, complete with strawmen, moving goalposts, and a basic misunderstanding of the sport. Good job, good effort. 
 
Go make a scatter plot. 
 

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soxfan121 said:
 
This post is chock full of suck. Let us count the ways: 
1. The Colts and Patriots met once in the regular season. 
2. "Roster analytics" - a bullshit term you made up in response to being told to go read something. Anything. 
3. "Advanced film breakdown" - another bullshit term that means nothing in reaction to being told to go educate yourself. 
4. A spurious analogy based on "advanced metrics"  that serves to distract from the discussion.
5. An ADMISSION that the "Colts matchup poorly". Which, when you re-read the thread, was the point of the discussion. So, thanks. You did get the point, you just wanted to make sure you could be as obfuscating as possible in conceding it. 
6. A re-statement of something else told to you up thread.
7. Hey...where's your proof the Colts are "soft"? It must be missing in between your capitulation to the discussion points up above. 
8. Oh, so matchups DO matter? 
9. Again, where's the proof the Colts are "soft"? Got any? At all? 
10. To recap, you made a debatable claim. It was challenged. You doubled-down. You were given hints to where you could educate yourself. Your response was to go to bed, wake up, and add this to the discussion. 
 
Congrats, that's a pretty excellent example of how to poorly discuss shit on the internet, complete with strawmen, moving goalposts, and a basic misunderstanding of the sport. Good job, good effort. 
 
Go make a scatter plot. 
Don't be a conehead.

Matchups are important but overall talent is important too. The Colts got rolled in most facets of the game yesterday, including getting outcoached. The Pats are a better run team with great players. Forget about "advanced" metrics. The Pats look like a better team than the Colts.

Edit: to be more constructive:
Based on what I saw the biggest gap between the two teams is in coaching, especially in adjusting to what the opponent is doing. I don't think that can be easily captured by numbers.

Also check out who the Colts beat this year, it's hardly a murderers row. http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXteamsXXcltXX2014_games.htm&t=0
Losses against Broncos, Eagles, Steelers, Patriots, Cowboys. Wins against Texans, Bengals, and a lot of bad teams.

The Colts did well to take care of business against bad teams, but they were no juggernaut.
 

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soxfan121 said:
 
This post is chock full of suck. Let us count the ways: 
1. The Colts and Patriots met once in the regular season. 
2. "Roster analytics" - a bullshit term you made up in response to being told to go read something. Anything. 
3. "Advanced film breakdown" - another bullshit term that means nothing in reaction to being told to go educate yourself. 
4. A spurious analogy based on "advanced metrics"  that serves to distract from the discussion.
5. An ADMISSION that the "Colts matchup poorly". Which, when you re-read the thread, was the point of the discussion. So, thanks. You did get the point, you just wanted to make sure you could be as obfuscating as possible in conceding it. 
6. A re-statement of something else told to you up thread.
7. Hey...where's your proof the Colts are "soft"? It must be missing in between your capitulation to the discussion points up above. 
8. Oh, so matchups DO matter? 
9. Again, where's the proof the Colts are "soft"? Got any? At all? 
10. To recap, you made a debatable claim. It was challenged. You doubled-down. You were given hints to where you could educate yourself. Your response was to go to bed, wake up, and add this to the discussion. 
 
Congrats, that's a pretty excellent example of how to poorly discuss shit on the internet, complete with strawmen, moving goalposts, and a basic misunderstanding of the sport. Good job, good effort. 
 
Go make a scatter plot. 
 
I really like the last line here, "go make a scatter plot". I'm sure you're high-fiving with all the four people that read your smackdowns of Shalise Manza Young over at "the place I can educate myself".
 
Please.
 

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Don't be a conehead.

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The Colts did well to take care of business against bad teams, but they were no juggernaut.
 
"Soft, pretenders" don't go into Denver and win. The Colts aren't as talented and they also played poorly but their real problem is their current roster matches up very poorly against the Patriots.
 
 
It helps to read the whole thread. 
 

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Jnai said:
 
I really like the last line here, "go make a scatter plot". I'm sure you're high-fiving with all the four people that read your smackdowns of Shalise Manza Young over at "the place I can educate myself".
 
Please.
 
Yeah, I apologize for adding that last line. It is disrespectful and I should have left it out. 
 
Mostly so you'd have to actually deal with the other, salient points about how you suck at discussion, got things wrong, made up bullshit and then conceded the point while offering no proof on your contention. 
 
That's my bad. I should have let your stupidity stand on its own. 
 

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You know, look:
 

Given that this is the third meeting between these teams in 362 days, there is a high level of familiarity between the squads. They know what has and has not worked against each other during previous meetings. But knowing what has worked for other teams against an upcoming opponent is also precious knowledge, especially when the successful concepts are already part of your arsenal of weapons.
 
This was the entire fucking point of my post.
 
The Colts knew what was going to happen, because it had happened the last four times. They let it happen again. That's the very definition of "soft". We don't need 30 pages of film study to figure this out. They were the way, way, way worse team last night.
 

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Uh huh. I just visited your 30 page article on how the Patriots might have a chance if they exploit these five things you learned in film study. Was I the first read, or maybe the second?
 
Glad you've finally taken the time to educate yourself properly to participate in the discussion. 
 
Last word is yours, anything after that'll be hidden, so make it good. This sad tangent on how not to message board is just about over for you.
 

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soxfan121 said:
 
Glad you've finally taken the time to educate yourself properly to participate in the discussion. 
 
Last word is yours, anything after that'll be hidden, so make it good. This sad tangent on how not to message board is just about over for you.
Finally pulled out the ban hammer? Excited to learn what I'm banned under. Is it "saying Colts are soft" or "replying to 'go make a scatter plot'" or "refusing to use 30 pages of film study to prove points that can be proven by looking at 30-point scoreboard differentials"? You started this bullshit, told me to go read you website, and then doubled down with the "go make a scatter plot" stupidity.
 
I don't even know why we're arguing. I just think the talent gap on the Colts is bigger than you do, and I think that if you're an NFL team and you get run over 3 straight times you should figure out some way to deal with it on time 4. I'm pretty sure that's the entire extent of it.
 

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soxfan121 said:
 
This post is chock full of suck. Let us count the ways: 
1. The Colts and Patriots met once in the regular season. 
2. "Roster analytics" - a bullshit term you made up in response to being told to go read something. Anything. 
3. "Advanced film breakdown" - another bullshit term that means nothing in reaction to being told to go educate yourself. 
4. A spurious analogy based on "advanced metrics"  that serves to distract from the discussion.
5. An ADMISSION that the "Colts matchup poorly". Which, when you re-read the thread, was the point of the discussion. So, thanks. You did get the point, you just wanted to make sure you could be as obfuscating as possible in conceding it. 
6. A re-statement of something else told to you up thread.
7. Hey...where's your proof the Colts are "soft"? It must be missing in between your capitulation to the discussion points up above. 
8. Oh, so matchups DO matter? 
9. Again, where's the proof the Colts are "soft"? Got any? At all? 
10. To recap, you made a debatable claim. It was challenged. You doubled-down. You were given hints to where you could educate yourself. Your response was to go to bed, wake up, and add this to the discussion. 
 
Congrats, that's a pretty excellent example of how to poorly discuss shit on the internet, complete with strawmen, moving goalposts, and a basic misunderstanding of the sport. Good job, good effort. 
 
Go make a scatter plot. 
This post is a shit response to a fair point.

Personally, I see the matchup problems, I see a talent disparity, but I also see a coaching staff more focused on hugs than preparation. Luck said it in his post game. "They were more prepared on the details" or something like that. It wasn't just the match ups, Colts had no plan to beat the same thing they saw 2 months ago. Their big adjustment was doubling Gronk.
 

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Geez, you aren't going to be banned. No one else wants to read a pissing match. So WE can now take it to PM or a DOPE will come in and hide the posts. That's how ALL of these go. 
 
Sheesh. It's written in clear, plain English and you have 10K posts here. 
 
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