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Hopefully Jonah Keri's contract is up soon and he isn't much longer for the WWL. I could give a shit about Barnwell. Who else got stuck behind that we would want?
Zach Lowe is probably the best NBA writer on the planet and he was very good on the BS Report. Hopefully he goes to The Ringer when his contract is up. I really liked Andrew Sharp's stuff as well,

Couldn't agree more about Barnwell. I consistently found his writing and knowledge about the NFL lackluster. Seemed like he just latched on to stats by FBO and other football sites and repeated them without actually watching the games.
 

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House and Geoff Shackleford launching a golf podcast on Channel 33. SImmons introduced it in his most recent House pod and said there are no good golf podcasts right now. I can't say I have found a great one, but I have listened a bit to No Laying Up and Friends of Tiger, the latter of which is hosted by former Grantlander Shane Ryan, so I was a bit surprised to hear those shots fired.
 

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Hopefully Jonah Keri's contract is up soon and he isn't much longer for the WWL. I could give a shit about Barnwell. Who else got stuck behind that we would want?
This may have been mentioned, but Keri has already moved on from ESPN and is now at Sports Illustrated (and I think the MLB network). Not sure if any of that precludes him from writing for Simmons, though.
 

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House and Geoff Shackleford launching a golf podcast on Channel 33. SImmons introduced it in his most recent House pod and said there are no good golf podcasts right now. I can't say I have found a great one, but I have listened a bit to No Laying Up and Friends of Tiger, the latter of which is hosted by former Grantlander Shane Ryan, so I was a bit surprised to hear those shots fired.
No Laying Up is pretty good, though it is sporadic. Golf Weekly out of Ireland is the best one I've found. It naturally leans a little to Rory/Euro topics, but I think it's an excellent, funny listen. The only problem is that it comes out on Thursday or Friday, so you don't always get recaps of that week's events. Here is a link:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/golf-weekly/id493549478?mt=2
 

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No Laying Up is pretty good, though it is sporadic. Golf Weekly out of Ireland is the best one I've found. It naturally leans a little to Rory/Euro topics, but I think it's an excellent, funny listen. The only problem is that it comes out on Thursday or Friday, so you don't always get recaps of that week's events. Here is a link:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/golf-weekly/id493549478?mt=2
Yeah, I have listened to them, too - Rory and Shane Lowry are probably my two favorite players on tour, so I certainly don't mind that bias. Shane Ryan is a semi-regular guest (and is much better in smaller doses where he is being interviewed by more polished broadcaster types).
 

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Love No Laying Up as a golf pod. Best one I've heard. Very excited for Shack House, and happy to (hopefully) see House start making some $ off the podcasts with a bigger role. He's good to listen too, I think. Didn't have any idea he was such a golf nut. BS knows basically nothing about pro golf, always painful when he tries to discuss anything along those lines.
 

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I'm excited for it too, looking forward to adding a golf podcast to the rotation, especially as the majors approach.

They seem to be expanding their podcast network regularly now, I wonder how many of these were Grantland-era ideas that got shot down by ESPN.
 

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I've always been curious, does anyone know what Joe House does for a living?
He or Bill mentioned on a podcast awhile back that he works as some sort of consultant/govt contractor in D.C., no real specifics beyond that.
 

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Totally happy that Robert Mays is back in the fold. Hired at The Ringer. I don't think Barnwell will be back, and can't say I'll miss him.

@robertmays Life stuff: Pretty excited to say that next month, I'll be joining some old fiends as a staff writer at The Ringer.
Hell yeah. The Ringer hires Kevin Clark away from the WSJ to cover the NFL:

@ringer More staff news: The talented Kevin Clark (@bykevinclark) joins us from The Wall Street Journal as a staff writer covering the NFL.

Mays & Clark not only sound like an 18th century Spanish exploration team, they would make a hell of a 21st century podcast team. Simmons is killing it on the new (and old) talent acquisitions.
 

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I don't know if this belongs here or in the "Omar is Dead" podcast thread, but the Ringer Channel 33 podcast about Christopher Nolan is rough. I listen to most of the Channel 33 pop culture podcasts and most of the Grantland ones back when, so a bad episode really sticks out. And boy was this bad.

The "Nolan Superfan" for the episode is the 24 year old producer, Tate. I should have stop listening when Channel 33 regular Juliet asked Tate about "The Cider House Rules," and Tate said that he had never seen a Michael Caine movie that wasn't directed by Nolan; that should have been indication of a lack of movie knowledge for someone hosting a movie podcast.

They mentioned Emilia Clarke being in "Terminator: Salvation" and Juliet said (paraphrasing), "(Clarke) has been in more movies than anyone else from 'Game of Thrones.'" What? Even if she is ignoring the huge resumes of all the famous British actors and meant that in the sense of "since the show has aired," Lena Headey and Peter Dinklage have both done more.

Later, when discussing the incredible opening of "The Dark Knight," Tate said that he had never before seen a movie start with a 4-5 minute action sequence before the credits rolled. I am quoting here: "That is the first time I had ever seen like a 4-5 minute packaged intro like that, and then we saw James Bond copy that with, um, what's it called, 'Skyfall.'...Christopher Nolan taught me that school buses and those big time intros are dope." WTF? James Bond movies have been doing that for fifty years! Does he think that Lucas copied the idea for Episode 4 from Abrams in Episode 7? Almost as bad as that mistake is that neither of the other two corrected him.

Finally, Juliet started remembering that there are school buses in "The Dark Knight" and "The Dark Knight Rises" and wondered aloud if Nolan, because of his use of school buses, had some sort of interest in childhood as a theme in film. She said, "'The Cider House Rules' takes place in an orphanage, there's another connection." Connection to what? Nolan didn't direct that movie.

A few more stinkers like that and I'll have to take Channel 33 out of the rotation.
 

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I listened to this one this morning and felt it was frustratingly scattered, as well, not to mention the obvious recency biases and lack of knowledge of some of the participants.

I like Juliet and Andy in certain venues, as the NBA 'sources say' pod is fun in its nonchalant manner, but they didn't stick with a film, or an actor, or a theme here at all.

Talking about Nolan without focusing more on the original ideas (memento, inception, interstellar, prestige) than Batman just seems to totally miss any chance at a point.
 

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Yeah, I could not agree more on the Nolan pod. I appreciate them trying to gain a younger perspective, but I couldn't be less interested in what Tate has to say. While it could be a "get off my lawn moment", I'm sure there are more credible viewpoints out there beyond Bill's intern/recording device operator. As long as we're bringing up quotes, this one from Juliette sums it up: <paraphrasing> "So rather than add to what Chris and I are discussing you just decided to make your own wholly unrelated point."

On another note, I'm glad to see them branch into politics, and Faverau and Pfieffer are great gets, but I wouldn't mind seeing a more balanced effort. This seems like it's going to skew toward the Democrat gossipy column end of the spectrum.
 

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Yeah, I could not agree more on the Nolan pod. I appreciate them trying to gain a younger perspective, but I couldn't be less interested in what Tate has to say. While it could be a "get off my lawn moment", I'm sure there are more credible viewpoints out there beyond Bill's intern/recording device operator. As long as we're bringing up quotes, this one from Juliette sums it up: <paraphrasing> "So rather than add to what Chris and I are discussing you just decided to make your own wholly unrelated point."

On another note, I'm glad to see them branch into politics, and Faverau and Pfieffer are great gets, but I wouldn't mind seeing a more balanced effort. This seems like it's going to skew toward the Democrat gossipy column end of the spectrum.

I'm actually not worried about fair & balanced as long as it is quality. Agree with your other points
 

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Yeah, some of the channel 33 ones are good. I like ShackHouse, Playing politics, some of the Chris Ryan stuff, and obviously Bill's stuff. Not a huge fan of some of Juliet's pop culture pods, but I like sources say. That says more about my preferences than her ability though. The Nolan one was bad. Felt like just a bunch of college kids recording themselves in a dorm.
 

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They mentioned Emilia Clarke being in "Terminator: Salvation" and Juliet said (paraphrasing), "(Clarke) has been in more movies than anyone else from 'Game of Thrones.'" What? Even if she is ignoring the huge resumes of all the famous British actors and meant that in the sense of "since the show has aired," Lena Headey and Peter Dinklage have both done more.
Sean Bean has also sort of been doing movies for a while, but perhaps he doesn't count since he only had one season on GOT.
 

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Yeah, some of the channel 33 ones are good. I like ShackHouse, Playing politics, some of the Chris Ryan stuff, and obviously Bill's stuff. Not a huge fan of some of Juliet's pop culture pods, but I like sources say. That says more about my preferences than her ability though. The Nolan one was bad. Felt like just a bunch of college kids recording themselves in a dorm.
Is Channel 33 the only pod out there that is a collection of different pods?

the BS pod w/ Mike Tollin had a very interesting behind the scenes of the making of the USFL 30 for 30 - the bit on Trump gift wrapping the title was worth the listen
 

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Is Channel 33 the only pod out there that is a collection of different pods?
Deathsquad podcast is a similar model featuring a handful of different shows on the same feed. A few that were part of it have since spun off into their own independent shows. Rebel Force Radio is another with a bunch of shows released on the same feed, tied together by the common Star Wars theme.

It's not a bad idea in that a bunch of shows can kinda share hosting expenses as well as exposure. Listeners get a feed they can subscribe to and get steady content without the pressure on the producers to generate constantly.
 

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I'm actually not worried about fair & balanced as long as it is quality. Agree with your other points
I agree that it is a high quality, insider's view. My main concern is that it will hew too closely to my own current political perspective; I'd appreciate a different (non-shouty) POV. The best Maher shows are when he has a strong conservative counterbalance, although that show that obviously devolves into talking points more often than not.

Maybe it will be more even handed given their Hillary biases, but I don't need 30-45 minutes of smart people telling me how dumb R's are. The Obama anecdote was interesting, though, and suggests a willingness to be self critical.

Personally, I'd love to hear a podcast that debated policy rather than the he said-oh, snap! she-said to campaign stuff. I get why they're talking Melania/Heidi but that just seems That said, I've only hear the one ep so far.
 

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Personally, I'd love to hear a podcast that debated policy rather than the he said-oh, snap! she-said to campaign stuff. I get why they're talking Melania/Heidi but that just seems That said, I've only hear the one ep so far.
Vox.com has one (The Weeds, with Matt Yglesias, Ezra Klein, Sarah Kliff) that I think is very good, although I imagine people who don't care to hear about policy from Vox.com and those three in particular would not find it so. It is true to its name in terms of digging deeply into the issues it covers.
 

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Vox.com has one (The Weeds, with Matt Yglesias, Ezra Klein, Sarah Kliff) that I think is very good, although I imagine people who don't care to hear about policy from Vox.com and those three in particular would not find it so. It is true to its name in terms of digging deeply into the issues it covers.
Awesome, I'll check those out, thanks!
 

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It's interesting that a start-up sports website can hire away a WSJ staff writer. Obviously, Simmons' rep carries a ton of weight and he now has some creative credibility, but still a little surprising.
 

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Yeah, some of the channel 33 ones are good. I like ShackHouse, Playing politics, some of the Chris Ryan stuff, and obviously Bill's stuff. Not a huge fan of some of Juliet's pop culture pods, but I like sources say. That says more about my preferences than her ability though. The Nolan one was bad. Felt like just a bunch of college kids recording themselves in a dorm.
Plus, her voice is just nails on a chalk board brutal.
 

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Plus, her voice is just nails on a chalk board brutal.
No, that's Mallory Rubin. I especially loathed her "viewer" recaps of Game of Thrones when it was clear she was just spoiling book stuff. Conception 4EVA!

I like Juliette in the limited stuff I've heard from her. The Top Chef discussion was pretty good, for example. However, I wish I could make all of them stop using terms like "hashtag" or "co-sign".
 
Is anyone else reading the Ringer newsletter? I've been pretty underwhelmed so far - it's like a slightly cut-price Grantland, sent in a MailChimp email blast which requires me to scroll through every article to find anything of interest and also to click a button to download the embedded photos in each new email. But it's early days, of course, and I suspect they're throwing stuff at us to see what sticks.
 

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No, that's Mallory Rubin. I especially loathed her "viewer" recaps of Game of Thrones when it was clear she was just spoiling book stuff. Conception 4EVA!

I like Juliette in the limited stuff I've heard from her. The Top Chef discussion was pretty good, for example. However, I wish I could make all of them stop using terms like "hashtag" or "co-sign".
Nope, it's Juliet for me.
 

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Yeah, she has some weird valley girlish inflections while also sounding like she is drunkenly slurring her words together.
The way she finishes her words is definitely a valley girl inflection and it's brutal. It isn't her voice as much as the inflection on the ends of all her words. Yeah, you're young, I get it but you're doing a vocal podcast. Finish your words.
 

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Is anyone else reading the Ringer newsletter? I've been pretty underwhelmed so far - it's like a slightly cut-price Grantland, sent in a MailChimp email blast which requires me to scroll through every article to find anything of interest and also to click a button to download the embedded photos in each new email. But it's early days, of course, and I suspect they're throwing stuff at us to see what sticks.
Fwiw, this is pretty standard "email newsletter" format. Two others I get - Emma Roller's and Erik Malinowski's - work the same way. And Joe Sheehan's, when I subscribed to it, was just a wall of text.

They must have decided that an email newsletter is a superior stopgap while getting their final site together to a janky website that only gets updated every few days. I'm not 100% sure they're right, but we shall see.
 

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Politics pod has a new name "Keeping it 1600" and had a Republican guest- Tim Miller of Our Principles PAC, America Rising PAC, JEB! the campaign, and a leader of #NeverTrump
 

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Fwiw, this is pretty standard "email newsletter" format. Two others I get - Emma Roller's and Erik Malinowski's - work the same way. And Joe Sheehan's, when I subscribed to it, was just a wall of text.

They must have decided that an email newsletter is a superior stopgap while getting their final site together to a janky website that only gets updated every few days. I'm not 100% sure they're right, but we shall see.
The newsletter is easier to monetize than a site, too. Ad buyers like email ads and podcast ads way more than banner ads.

On another note, I thought the Olberman pod would have been better. Just kinda boring. Bill barely talked and Keith seemed desperate to tell every story he's ever told.
 

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The way she finishes her words is definitely a valley girl inflection and it's brutal. It isn't her voice as much as the inflection on the ends of all her words. Yeah, you're young, I get it but you're doing a vocal podcast. Finish your words.
This reads like older male complains about vocal fry performance art.
 

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The newsletter is easier to monetize than a site, too. Ad buyers like email ads and podcast ads way more than banner ads.

On another note, I thought the Olberman pod would have been better. Just kinda boring. Bill barely talked and Keith seemed desperate to tell every story he's ever told.
I'm shocked Keith wanted to talk about Keith.
 

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That's just how Keith is. He tells long-winded stories and talks about himself.

The problem is Simmons doesn't really like baseball, so he can't match up to Keith wanting to wibble on about baseball minutia like Jonah Keri did in their excellent two-part podcast a few months ago. Plus Keri covered a lot of the same topics Simmons did, so Olbermann understandably repeated his thoughts. It was near-verbatim at times.
 

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Politics pod has a new name "Keeping it 1600" and had a Republican guest- Tim Miller of Our Principles PAC, America Rising PAC, JEB! the campaign, and a leader of #NeverTrump
I enjoyed the podcast. Happy to hear a Republican viewpoint on the Trump aspect of the GOP's chances. I have enjoyed this pod so far and previously my only political pods were episodic if an NPR pod covered a topic.

This reads like older male complains about vocal fry performance art.
I had a tough time with their voices too, but felt bad about it for all the nonsense female reporters have to deal with this issue. I stopped listening because I thought their analysis wasn't very good.

Overall I'm liking Bill's new stuff and the new streams of content seem to be promising. So glad that Bill didnt just go quietly into a producer's role.
 

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The BS media empire's list of properties is going to grow fast. I'll be curious to see how this goes...
Super-interesting that it's under the Ringer brand but being put on HBO. If that's not a one-off deal, the post-Grantland conclusion that could be drawn about Simmons is that he's focusing entirely on content and hoping to offload distribution entirely to a partner network.
 

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The BS media empire's list of properties is going to grow fast. I'll be curious to see how this goes...
Frankly, I find this pretty surprising. I understand the advantages to the Ringer brand and to HBO itself. But Ryan and Greenwald often come across as very dismissive of the show. They haven't read the books, which is fine, but many of their discussions of "Game of Thrones" come more out of obligation to participating in the cultural phenomenon than enjoyment of the experience. I am having trouble putting my thoughts into words, but their criticism goes beyond critiquing the show and comes across, to me anyway, as "why are we stuck watching this." Not all the time, but often enough to make me think that this has the potential to be uneven at best.
 

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Frankly, I find this pretty surprising. I understand the advantages to the Ringer brand and to HBO itself. But Ryan and Greenwald often come across as very dismissive of the show. They haven't read the books, which is fine, but many of their discussions of "Game of Thrones" come more out of obligation to participating in the cultural phenomenon than enjoyment of the experience. I am having trouble putting my thoughts into words, but their criticism goes beyond critiquing the show and comes across, to me anyway, as "why are we stuck watching this." Not all the time, but often enough to make me think that this has the potential to be uneven at best.
They did a podcast a few weeks ago about the GoT trailer and they were basically salivating the entire time. I didn't hear any dismissiveness at all, and definitely not from Ryan. Greenwald is just dismissive in general, as part of his overall ethos and being "cool".
 

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Greenwald is just dismissive in general, as part of his overall ethos and being "cool".
You might be right. You might have put your finger on it. I still feel that this type of effort is better for a Chris Hardwick type superfan talking about "Doctor Who" or "The Walking Dead," but I'll give it a shot, especially if they bring on their regular "Watch the Thrones" guests.
 

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Yeah I don't see any dismissiveness at all from them. They call when it airs their "regular season." No they haven't read the books but I don't get the sense that they are making fun of the readers and they seem to be in awe of Mallory and Concepcion's knowledge.
 

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New Ringer hires: Kate Knibbs from Gizmodo. K. Austin Collins from nowhere (few freelance pieces for LA review of books), and David Shoemaker aka The Masked Man from ESPN
 

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The Masked Man fucking stole my job, I'll just leave it at that. Fuck that bald hipster douche.