The Celtics and Building a Contender - Roster Crunch.

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The good thing is we have one of the best 'in-game' coaches in the league. Brad manages the end of the quarter clock, TO's, play calling, and roster as good as anyone in the league. Our point differential is impressive. We are in good hands, this team will get better at 'end-game' situations irregardless if our short PG takes the last shot or we deal for someone of Carmelo's offensive ability.

If we really want to screw up our opponents we should be looking to spread the floor and add a 3pt shooter. Guys we should consider Casspi, Middleton, Hayward, Hollis Thompson...
 
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While those are all nice players & any of them would push down Turners and/or Lee's minutes which is a good thing, I would lean more towards guys at the smaller end of the range in your list, i.e., Middleton and Thompson. Crowder is already an OK 3-point shooter at the 3 and does a lot of other things well and we have plenty of 4s and 5s who shoot the three OK. This team lacks a big guard who can shoot the 3, which is why i suggested Barton upthread.
 

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The good thing is we have one of the best 'in-game' coaches in the league. Brad manages the end of the quarter clock, TO's, play calling, and roster as good as anyone in the league. Our point differential is impressive. We are in good hands, this team will get better at 'end-game' situations irregardless if our short PG takes the last shot or we deal for someone of Carmelo's offensive ability.

If we really want to screw up our opponents we should be looking to spread the floor and add a 3pt shooter. Guys we should consider Casspi, Middleton, Hayward, Hollis Thompson...
I don't think there is a person who wouldn't want Hayward here. Absolutely knows this system and could be deadly in Boston. I just don't see the Jazz desperate to move him or Favors. Gallo is probably the most logical candidate. Not sure they would add the contract but I'm sure they could move it to make room in the offseason without issue since its only a 2 year deal. Middleton is probably too much term to take on if Ainge is going to be a player in this FA class. Pie in the Sky candidate would be Melo. I just can't see Phil Jackson making a deal of that magnitude with Boston unless they get the Brooklyn pick which should be protected unless an actual Superstar in his prime comes available.

Jabari has always been overrated as an NBA prospect he doesn't have a high upside never did with his lack of athleticism and being a 3/4 tweener. Monroe is solid, decent and all that just as Mayo and Bayless are off the bench. As you say the PG is young and inconsistent while Middleton got paid and seems content. Where is this great future? All of their money is tied up in Middleton and Monroe. Giannis can change all this but otherwise you're talking about a lottery team without much upside.....hardly great and probably likely for a blowout sooner rather than later.
I would take Jabari on this team in a heartbeat. Remember he lost a full season of development due to injury. Some of it is conditioning and while he is a tweener it can still play in the East. What this team really needs is a young scoring threat. While Jabari is not that yet, he is still young enough where he could reach the ceiling at some point.
 

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Can you really be an effective tweener if your perimeter game does not extend out to 3pt range? I'm surprised that Jabari has hit 4 threes in his NBA career.
 

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Can you really be an effective tweener if your perimeter game does not extend out to 3pt range? I'm surprised that Jabari has hit 4 threes in his NBA career.
I agree with this, and it speaks poorly to his development that he didn't add range to his game in the year off he had. It's obviously nuts to give up on him, but I would have liked to see him at least trying to shoot the three this year.
 

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Off limits? The Bucks should be looking to blow up this trainwreck at the deadline.
Aren't they trying to do what the Celtics are doing? Building a team? Look how young their pieces are.

They may pair of a piece or two, but I don't see many teams with as good of a young roster than them. Led by a possibly superstar talent. Celtics have more depth and better 6-9 guys, but we don't have near the talent of Giannis, Monroe, Jabri, probably Middleton either. Their horrible record shows me how much a good coach and system do for a team.

If you put all the Bucks and Celtics players in a pool and chose the best players to create a team the first three or four selected would be from Milwaukee. Giannis, Jabari, Monroe and maybe Middleton over Smart.
 

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Can you really be an effective tweener if your perimeter game does not extend out to 3pt range? I'm surprised that Jabari has hit 4 threes in his NBA career.
The NBA is trending downward in size when Dray Green is the prototype for the modern PF. Parker is no longer a tweener, he can just be a PF. But the problem is that he needs to be able to shoot with better range. For me that's been the biggest disappointment with him, he had a year off with a knee injury and didn't spend enough of it working on the jumper.
 

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Aren't they trying to do what the Celtics are doing? Building a team? Look how young their pieces are.

They may pair of a piece or two, but I don't see many teams with as good of a young roster than them. Led by a possibly superstar talent. Celtics have more depth and better 6-9 guys, but we don't have near the talent of Giannis, Monroe, Jabri, probably Middleton either. Their horrible record shows me how much a good coach and system do for a team.

If you put all the Bucks and Celtics players in a pool and chose the best players to create a team the first three or four selected would be from Milwaukee. Giannis, Jabari, Monroe and maybe Middleton over Smart.
Whoever is picking that team should be fired STAT then. If you have the top four players with two of them being veterans how are they among the worst teams in the league while Boston has peripherals ranking them near the top?

Giannis is clearly #1 with his upside on top of him being the best either team has right now but after that it's a complete crap shoot.....I'm not sure Jabari goes in the Top-5 certainly doubt he goes 2nd or 3rd. Are you implying Smart would go #1? He's another like Jabari without high upside but should be a fairly good NBA player as both of them are near/at their physical peak with bodies that could easily go the other way.
 

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No, I have him with the group of Jabari, Monroe & Middleton after Giannis and one, two, three, four and five...

All I am saying is, the talk in Philly was/is "Trust the Process." Milwaukee has some pieces, one great pieces and some good pieces. Lets see Mayo get off the books for them and see who they can fill it with and trust the process more than just one year. If it fails, trade a few pieces but also say goodbye to J.Kidd, with that much talent they should be much better than where they are.

The Bucks and Magic are both in similar spots. At this point it looks like the Magic are winning. Now, Danny, get the Magic GM on the phone and tell him that Oladipo is as bad as Scott Skiles thinks he is and he should ship him to Boston...
 

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No, I have him with the group of Jabari, Monroe & Middleton after Giannis and one, two, three, four and five...

All I am saying is, the talk in Philly was/is "Trust the Process." Milwaukee has some pieces, one great pieces and some good pieces. Lets see Mayo get off the books for them and see who they can fill it with and trust the process more than just one year. If it fails, trade a few pieces but also say goodbye to J.Kidd, with that much talent they should be much better than where they are.

The Bucks and Magic are both in similar spots. At this point it looks like the Magic are winning. Now, Danny, get the Magic GM on the phone and tell him that Oladipo is as bad as Scott Skiles thinks he is and he should ship him to Boston...
Would people really take Monroe that high even with the contract? He's never defended well, and his offensive upside's not nearly as high as Olynyk's. With KO still on his rookie deal, and likely to be much cheaper going forward, he seems like a smarter choice to me than Monroe.

I'm not a C's fan, and don't watch them a ton, I admit, but a lot of folks here seem much more down on the C's roster than they should be. Smart, Thomas, and Olynyk are all worthy of discussion before Jabari. Crowder's hugely underrated too, and on a great contract.
 

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Presumably sox311 was talking about potential, beyond this year. I agree in the short term, the Celtics roster is pretty strong relative to Milwaukee's, but Giannis and Jabari are both viewed as high upside pieces.
 

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While those are all nice players & any of them would push down Turners and/or Lee's minutes which is a good thing, I would lean more towards guys at the smaller end of the range in your list, i.e., Middleton and Thompson. Crowder is already an OK 3-point shooter at the 3 and does a lot of other things well and we have plenty of 4s and 5s who shoot the three OK. This team lacks a big guard who can shoot the 3, which is why i suggested Barton upthread.
The Celtics are not an OK 3pt shooting team, on a whole, they are a bad 3pt shooting team (ranked 22nd). Yet they attempt the 6th most 3pt shots/game, so its a point of emphasis for their offense.

Agreed, Barton may be a nice addition (although historically he has been a bad outside shooter).

With a +4.4 pt differential so far and an easier part of the schedule in front of us the C's are in fabulous shape. BUT 3pt Shooting is an area that Danny could improve on without sacrificing the Nets picks we own. Spending those picks on guys like Carmelo, Cousins, Howard doesn't seem like a good use of assets.
 
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It's nuts to lump Boogie in with a 31 year old Carmelo and a 30 year old Dwight.
 

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The Celtics are not an OK 3pt shooting team, on a whole, they are a bad 3pt shooting team (ranked 22nd). Yet they attempt the 6th most 3pt shots/game, so its a point of emphasis for their offense.

Agreed, Barton may be a nice addition (although historically he has been a bad outside shooter).

With a +4.4 pt differential so far and an easier part of the schedule in front of us the C's are in fabulous shape. BUT 3pt Shooting is an area that Danny could improve on without sacrificing the Nets picks we own. Spending those picks on guys like Carmelo, Cousins, Howard doesn't seem like a good use of assets.
I tend to agree that adding a quality 3-point shooting wing to the roster could be a place that the Celtics could improve at a relatively low cost. I'd disagree with the opinion that others have expressed that the ideal option is a big guard. I think a forward is a better fit because, with Smart healthy, most of the available guard minutes are already spoken for between Thomas, Bradley, and Smart. On the other hand, a quality forward with range gives them a true backup for Crowder and opens up the possibility of playing small with a lineup of some combination of the 3 aforementioned guards, Crowder, new forward, and one of our bigs. That could be a real asset both at the end of games, when the team needs a scoring burst, or against teams that can go small. Basically, a James Posey type (or a rich man's Jonas Jerebko).

I also tend to agree that people here are underestimating this team still. The Celtics are well-positioned for a top 4 seed and reasonably likely for a 2 or 3 seed. In either case, while it's not a guarantee, we should be in good shape to win a playoff series. Playing the likes of the Magic, Heat, or Pistons in the first round, with home court, is very winnable. With a 2 or 3 seed, they will be in for a tough second round series against the Falcons, Raptors, or Pacers, but could certainly win that too. I don't see them having the players to really challenge the Cavs yet, but the Cavs are the only team in the East I do not think this team can beat in the playoffs.

As for the Nets picks and trade targets, I don't think Cousins belongs with the other 2 players you list. Cousins is a young elite player at the biggest position of need for the Celtics who plays hard. He would easily be worth this year's Nets pick plus additional assets. Howard and Carmelo, on the other hand, are declining, older players with effort issues. I'm not sure I'd want either at anything approaching the price it would take to get them. In Howard's case, I'd rather make a big push to woo Whiteside this offseason barring a Cousins trade. For example, without playing in elite FA fantasyland (aka, a Durant signing) a Whiteside/Batum or Whiteside/Barnes offseason while keeping the rest of the roster largely intact would leave us with a really strong team for the foreseeable future.
 

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It's nuts to lump Boogie in with a 31 year old Carmelo and a 30 year old Dwight.
My bad, I lumped them together because I don't see any of those guys getting dealt by their teams for less then a King's Ransom. And I'd like to stay away from Kings' Ransom trades (and players that could potentially change team chemistry) while this group evolves into a top 5 team.

A minor deal here and there, some lottery luck, and these guys will have legitimate title aspirations next year and several years after.
 

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Kevin Love and Jared Cunningham to Boston for Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder and Jonas Jerebko.

The crux and driving force of the trade for Cleveland is acquiring two ready to contribute low usage floor spacers who are sizable plusses defensively on great contracts. Bradley is probably second only to KCP in defending Curry this year (KCP stays with Curry around screens a bit better), and Crowder with his shooting progression is the switch-capable 3&D wing Cleveland needs to check Kawhi-types allowing Bron to either rest some on that side or roam more where he thrives. Jerebko is a capable stretch big as well and a rare midlevel salary trade asset at draft time with his salary next year being non-guaranteed if waived on or by 7/3/2016.
 

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Kevin Love and Jared Cunningham to Boston for Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder and Jonas Jerebko.

The crux and driving force of the trade for Cleveland is acquiring two ready to contribute low usage floor spacers who are sizable plusses defensively on great contracts. Bradley is probably second only to KCP in defending Curry this year (KCP stays with Curry around screens a bit better), and Crowder with his shooting progression is the switch-capable 3&D wing Cleveland needs to check Kawhi-types allowing Bron to either rest some on that side or roam more where he thrives. Jerebko is a capable stretch big as well and a rare midlevel salary trade asset at draft time with his salary next year being non-guaranteed if waived on or by 7/3/2016.
I can't believe this is even plausible, but it is. What a bargain the Crowder contract (35/5) turned out to be, he'd get double that now.
 

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As much as I don't want Love, I'd trade AB and Crowder for him. It would leave us with all our picks and some depth. We would then have to draft or trade for a defensive big. I can't really watch CBB outside of March as the quality is worse than the NBDL which is just dreadful, are there are any defensive anchors coming out this year? Or if we do get the top pick, is there someone in the game you would realistically trade that pick for? How would a Cousins/Love front court do?
 

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I don't think I want to hit this team. And in addition to being core players AB and JC are also 2 salary bargains. Love is great but I don't think I'd do this.
 

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I don't think I want to hit this team. And in addition to being core players AB and JC are also 2 salary bargains. Love is great but I don't think I'd do this.
What good are salary bargains when AB and JC are two of your core players? It sounds great on a message board but we can't close out games when there is such a talent and length disparity we are going up against down the stretch nearly every night. We battle like crazy which is why we overachieve but major changes are going to need to be made to this roster if we are ever going to contend in the EC.
 

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What good are salary bargains when AB and JC are two of your core players? It sounds great on a message board but we can't close out games when there is such a talent and length disparity we are going up against down the stretch nearly every night. We battle like crazy which is why we overachieve but major changes are going to need to be made to this roster if we are ever going to contend in the EC.
Bradley, IT, Crowder, Smart, KO, and the youngsters are the only C's on guaranteed contracts next year.

They have qualifying offers that can be made on Sully and Zeller, while Amir and Jerebko have team options.

They're also projected to have one top 6 pick and 4 more picks in the top 35 of the draft.

So Danny has tons of assets to work with. I do expect him to bring in a scorer. But I don't think he will bring in Love at the expense of two guys that could be in the rotation on the next championship caliber team (2018-2020 time period).
 

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What good are salary bargains when AB and JC are two of your core players? It sounds great on a message board but we can't close out games when there is such a talent and length disparity we are going up against down the stretch nearly every night. We battle like crazy which is why we overachieve but major changes are going to need to be made to this roster if we are ever going to contend in the EC.
I'm concerned that a deal like that would be a lateral move. We make the deal, now we don't have the end of game scoring option, but getting stops when we need them will become our new Achilles heel. Of course we can go get other guys to replace them but they will cost more and probably not be as good.
 

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I'm concerned that a deal like that would be a lateral move. We make the deal, now we don't have the end of game scoring option, but getting stops when we need them will become our new Achilles heel. Of course we can go get other guys to replace them but they will cost more and probably not be as good.
I'm not of the opinion Love is THE guy to build around but he's an upgrade and you can accumulate role players on value contracts much easier than you can acquire a lead scorer.

The problem I see with us bringing in a scorer or a core player is that our assets don't carry that type of value. This team needs a DeRozan desperately but those guys aren't willingly coming to Boston when everyone else is going to have cap space and is a more desirable destination. I don't know how we keep DeRozen from the Lakers or returning to Toronto but that's what we need. I've always felt this would be a long rebuild to contender status again because it's difficult for us to get that guy.
 

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If Love has the cache to influence free agents, you make that deal 10 times out of 10. I don't know if he is considered that type of player anymore, however.
 

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On the other hand, going forward, he's signed at current max rates, meaning that he'll be a bargain player this summer.
 

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Over the last 28 games, Olynyk is shooting .489 from 3's, 46-94. .433 for the year.
Also 15 of his last 24. KO's on pace to break Dirk's record for 3P shooting percentage (minimum 1 attempt per game) of 42.1%. Since Dec 1, KO is 4th in the league in 3P shooting percentage. http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/01/kelly_olynyk_is_no_dirk_nowitz.html

The difference between KO and Dirk is that Dirk has his one unstoppable go-to move and KO doesn't. That's because Dirk plays like a big man who can also hit 3s and KO plays like a PG who happens to be 7' tall.
 

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Kevin Love and Jared Cunningham to Boston for Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder and Jonas Jerebko.

The crux and driving force of the trade for Cleveland is acquiring two ready to contribute low usage floor spacers who are sizable plusses defensively on great contracts. Bradley is probably second only to KCP in defending Curry this year (KCP stays with Curry around screens a bit better), and Crowder with his shooting progression is the switch-capable 3&D wing Cleveland needs to check Kawhi-types allowing Bron to either rest some on that side or roam more where he thrives. Jerebko is a capable stretch big as well and a rare midlevel salary trade asset at draft time with his salary next year being non-guaranteed if waived on or by 7/3/2016.
I think the Blatt firing should put an end to the Kevin Love trade rumors.
 

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AmFox, where is the source saying that Blatt was trying to get rid of Love? I have never read anything of the sort, plenty about Lebron and he not meshing, but not Blatt trying to ship him off.
 

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AmFox, where is the source saying that Blatt was trying to get rid of Love? I have never read anything of the sort, plenty about Lebron and he not meshing, but not Blatt trying to ship him off.

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Dunno, it totally makes sense to me. Blatt is in a job where he's deemed a failure if his team doesn't win a title, and that's impossible with the sieve that is Kevin Love as his second best player. This has been obvious for a long time now, CLE isn't solving anything with this move but just delaying the inevitable (a Love trade).
 

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Dunno, it totally makes sense to me. Blatt is in a job where he's deemed a failure if his team doesn't win a title, and that's impossible with the sieve that is Kevin Love as his second best player. This has been obvious for a long time now, CLE isn't solving anything with this move but just delaying the inevitable (a Love trade).
I agree with this. I've never been a Blatt guy as someone to burst into the NBA as a rookie coach and not have growing pains. It was a terrible way for him to break in and his inexperience in a high pressure spot was evident.

Having said that no coach was going to allow Kyrie and Love to play well together as they both need to ball and only one of them can share it with LeBron. It isn't too dissimilar to how Ray Allen's role was diminished from a high scoring combo guard to a weak side spot up shooter. The problem with Love and Kyrie is that they become essentially worthless offensively without the ball and albatrosses defensively when their heads aren't in the game. This part wasn't Blatt's fault.
 

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Not sure where to post this but I went to the Maine Red Claws game last night. Terry Rozier had a team-high 20 points and overall looked quite good, especially in the second half. JR Hunter looked awful. His shots we off by a lot. Maybe his shoulder is still bothering him.
 

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Not sure where to post this but I went to the Maine Red Claws game last night. Terry Rozier had a team-high 20 points and overall looked quite good, especially in the second half. JR Hunter looked awful. His shots we off by a lot. Maybe his shoulder is still bothering him.
It's going to be interesting to see who develops better - Rozier or Kelly Oubre, whom at least some of us wanted. Was at the C's - 'Zards game the other day and Oubre looked decent on the boards, in transition, and from the 3P line (he's shooting .375). Looked a bit lost defensively and didn't do much other than reverse the ball offensively, but he didn't look completely outmatched out there.
 

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Much of the chatter about Love has centered on him being a poor defender, but his DRPM is a solid 2.32, 14th overall among PF. He's clearly not a rim protector, but it seems he must be doing something right most of the time.
 

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Much of the chatter about Love has centered on him being a poor defender, but his DRPM is a solid 2.32, 14th overall among PF. He's clearly not a rim protector, but it seems he must be doing something right most of the time.
He's being hidden as much as possible. Good teams have just exploited him play after play until he gets pulled. Kyrie isn't helping, but he's definitely a significant liability.
 

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He's being hidden as much as possible. Good teams have just exploited him play after play until he gets pulled. Kyrie isn't helping, but he's definitely a significant liability.
Not to turn this into a Cavs thread but I wonder when LBJ (de facto GM) figures out the roster that he wanted is fatally flawed in this day and age of NBA basketball and that the window for bringing CLE a world championship is fading (slowly at this point but still fading).

If LBJ is intent on winning a championship, Bradley would be extremely valuable since he can both shoot and guard Curry (to the extent Curry is guardable). Bradley and Lee for Love (and filler) appears to work; wonder if DA is asking for that.
 

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Cleveland would need a F to replace Love, and that can't be Lee as he makes even Love look like a prime Shawn Marion on the defensive end.
 

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Not to turn this into a Cavs thread but I wonder when LBJ (de facto GM) figures out the roster that he wanted is fatally flawed in this day and age of NBA basketball and that the window for bringing CLE a world championship is fading (slowly at this point but still fading).

If LBJ is intent on winning a championship, Bradley would be extremely valuable since he can both shoot and guard Curry (to the extent Curry is guardable). Bradley and Lee for Love (and filler) appears to work; wonder if DA is asking for that.
I think it's a little disingenuous to call this the team LeBron wanted. He signed into a situation where one player was available for Wiggins and that was Love. Yes he preferred Love over a skinny 19-year old kid who wasn't going to be a core piece to a championship team for 5 years......that doesn't mean he wanted Love badly, only that he wanted Love badly over Wiggins which he should have based on the Win-Now goal.
 

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Cleveland would need a F to replace Love, and that can't be Lee as he makes even Love look like a prime Shawn Marion on the defensive end.
Would they? They have Varejao and Mozgov has had his minutes cut, but LeBron should probably be playing more 4 and they can use Smith/Shumpert/Kyrie/Mo Williams/Bradley plus Dellavedova to cover the other three positions. I think the more they play Thompson and LBJ at 4/5, the better off they'll be (in general, obviously with specific opponents that might not work as well, but then they have Mozgov).
 

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Would they? They have Varejao and Mozgov has had his minutes cut, but LeBron should probably be playing more 4 and they can use Smith/Shumpert/Kyrie/Mo Williams/Bradley plus Dellavedova to cover the other three positions. I think the more they play Thompson and LBJ at 4/5, the better off they'll be (in general, obviously with specific opponents that might not work as well, but then they have Mozgov).
And as long as Varejão is healthy that works. Unfortunately for the Cavs he makes Kyrie Irving look like Cal Ripken. Olynyk has looked good enough this year that he might be good enough to fill the role in the trade.
 

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That is nowhere near enough to get Kevin Love. Every team in the league would be willing to give up a useless, negative asset like Lee, and a 3 and D wing, like Bradley, for an asset like Love.
While ordinarily a team wouldn't trade a player like Love for a player like Bradley (plus take on salary), the point is that Bradley would have a specific and extreme value to the Cavs as being one of the few guys in the NBA who seem to be able to slow down Curry a little. It's like the way the Cs got DJ to guard Magic.

While the players aren't equal value, it would seem to me that while it doesn't solve all of CLE's problems, replacing Love with Bradley gives CLE a better chance at winning the title.

At any rate, CLE is reportedly denying that Love is on the market so I'll quit now. Just wishful thinking.