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If it came down to doing Jaylen, Brogdon, and a couple of picks, versus White/Rob/4 or 5 picks and swaps, which would be the route you would take?
I'd keep Jaylen, since he gives me a better chance to win this year, and he's worth a lot more picks/players than White/Rob if you need to trade him the next summer.
 

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I'd keep Jaylen, since he gives me a better chance to win this year, and he's worth a lot more picks/players than White/Rob if you need to trade him the next summer.
I’d probably agree. But I think there’s an argument the other way. If you already have Tatum, Dame, and Porzingis as your top 3 scorers, I could see what Rob and White bring being more important. Also, don’t know how Jaylen would react to being a third option.

He’d definitely get you more in a trade next summer though.
 

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I’d probably agree. But I think there’s an argument the other way. If you already have Tatum, Dame, and Porzingis as your top 3 scorers, I could see what Rob and White bring being more important. Also, don’t know how Jaylen would react to being a third option.

He’d definitely get you more in a trade next summer though.
Very true. A flat Jaylen for Dame swap provides for better roster balance. I kinda like this too and I'm not keen on paying up for older guards.
 

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I’d probably agree. But I think there’s an argument the other way. If you already have Tatum, Dame, and Porzingis as your top 3 scorers, I could see what Rob and White bring being more important. Also, don’t know how Jaylen would react to being a third option.

He’d definitely get you more in a trade next summer though.
Yeah, I think Brad has 2 possible paths here that he’s evaluating:

1. Super max Jaylen (or close to it) and making the Jay’s/KP his new core

2. Really shake things up and send Jaylen to Portland or a 3rd team like Spurs in a deal for Dame. JT, Dame, and KP become your new core and it would be a pretty dynamic one.

They can make salaries match without giving up Jaylen but it would require all the pickzz and I don’t see Brad (or Portland) doing that.
 

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I won't even start to slightly worry about Jaylen until he's actually eligible to sign.

My guess is they made him and offer, he's waiting to see what happens in FA and whether he thinks he can get the 5th year option. No reason to agree in advance when you might be able to lean on BOS for that option, no reason for BOS to offer the option right now either.
 

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With the resigning of Kyrie in Dallas, I dream of the impending Luka trade request and would like to sit tight for the ability to build a trade package around Jaylen. Luka plus Tatum would devastate defenses and Jaylen and Kyrie can sing kumbaya together in Dallas.
 

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Banton is a great fit here, even with him being a horrid shooter.

He’s a meh point of attack defender, but creates a lot of turnovers. Offensively he’s a really good passer, and an excellent off ball cutter. Smart, quick decision maker.
 

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Banton is a great fit here, even with him being a horrid shooter.

He’s a meh point of attack defender, but creates a lot of turnovers. Offensively he’s a really good passer, and an excellent off ball cutter. Smart, quick decision maker.
Hook him up to the Evan Turner machine…
 

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I like the pick up. I think he is better suited as a wing than a PG
 

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https://nesn.com/2023/07/celtics-rumors-expectation-of-jaylen-browns-fragile-extension/

“The sides are talking. This is obviously a very important, fragile deal,” ESPN’s Brian Windhorst said Monday on SportsCenter. “I know that there’s interest on both sides to get something done and I would expect it to head in that direction. The one thing to point out: if Jaylen Brown does extend on this deal, he cannot be traded for a year.”
As for the delay in securing Brown, Windhorst chalked that up to Boston’s need to handle its remaining “business” in other areas before committing.

“The Celtics probably wanna make sure all their business is locked down before going into this,” Windhorst explained. “They also have had talks about trading Malcolm Brogdon, they almost made a deal with the (Los Angeles) Clippers before the draft. Brogdon may still be on the market. And they have Grant Williams, who’s a restricted free agent, who they may or may not be able to bring back.”
 

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So there is this Twitter account that a lot of NBA focused types (bloggers, gamblers etc) believe is a burner for one of the big national writers. The account had FVV and Brooks to Houston and Strus to the Cavs a day or two early.

View: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes50/status/1674614741124235265?t=Gt3cR6pv-LEuAMEMYLMKRw&s=19


FWIW, the account also says Harden to LAC and Dame to MIA will both get done with SA acting as the third party.

Discount accordingly because its Twitter etc etc
 

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So there is this Twitter account that a lot of NBA focused types (bloggers, gamblers etc) believe is a burner for one of the big national writers. The account had FVV and Brooks to Houston and Strus to the Cavs a day or two early.

View: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes50/status/1674614741124235265?t=Gt3cR6pv-LEuAMEMYLMKRw&s=19


FWIW, the account also says Harden to LAC and Dame to MIA will both get done with SA acting as the third party.

Discount accordingly because its Twitter etc etc
Everything I've read has his Supermax top out at $295 million. Would $307 million be based on some recalculation of league revenue?
 

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Everything I've read has his Supermax top out at $295 million. Would $307 million be based on some recalculation of league revenue?
I wondered that myself.

It could be everything ranging from this is some rando guessing at things and getting this obviously wrong to a well connected type who has all the incentive/cap details too.

Again, discount accordingly...
 

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Lol, $307 million either means the guy is *really* connected or *completely full of it*

It's silly season.
 

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So there is this Twitter account that a lot of NBA focused types (bloggers, gamblers etc) believe is a burner for one of the big national writers. The account had FVV and Brooks to Houston and Strus to the Cavs a day or two early.

View: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes50/status/1674614741124235265?t=Gt3cR6pv-LEuAMEMYLMKRw&s=19


FWIW, the account also says Harden to LAC and Dame to MIA will both get done with SA acting as the third party.

Discount accordingly because its Twitter etc etc
Considering how much stuff that guy gets right, if he doesn't have sources an NBA team should hire him for his powers of prognostication.
 

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So there is this Twitter account that a lot of NBA focused types (bloggers, gamblers etc) believe is a burner for one of the big national writers. The account had FVV and Brooks to Houston and Strus to the Cavs a day or two early.

View: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes50/status/1674614741124235265?t=Gt3cR6pv-LEuAMEMYLMKRw&s=19


FWIW, the account also says Harden to LAC and Dame to MIA will both get done with SA acting as the third party.

Discount accordingly because its Twitter etc etc
Discussed somewhere in here earlier. That’s not the account. It was droppingdimes20, which was inactivated after the account got heat after the Harden deal. I’m guessing it’s a copycat taking advantage of that heat.
 

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That’s not the account. It was droppingdimes20, which was deleted after the account got heat after the Harden deal. Probably a copycat taking advantage of that heat.
Ah so they copied the original Droppingdimes20 posts?

Then disregard entirely. Apologies.
 

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With the resigning of Kyrie in Dallas, I dream of the impending Luka trade request and would like to sit tight for the ability to build a trade package around Jaylen. Luka plus Tatum would devastate defenses and Jaylen and Kyrie can sing kumbaya together in Dallas.
I want no part of Luka dribbling the air out of the ball while Porzingis and Tatum stand around yawning only to launch a contested jumper and then spend the team''s defensive possession complaining to every referee that he should have gone to the line. Let him fulfill his destiny as the best player to never lead the Lakers to a title.
 

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Also kind of funny seeing Tyrese Maxey there (talking to Tatum?)
The host used to be in the Sixers ownership group.

Fanatics just did a multi-city sports apparel giveaway, including in Boston, which Grant and Tatum attended, and Philly.
 

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Really bugs me that guy is fabulously wealthy, Fanatics makes shit products.
Defector had a great article, last week, on the history of Starter. A lot of reader comments on the total quality drop off of Starter, in the past, to Fanatics, now.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/BrianTRobb/status/1676670336878759936?s=20

League sources indicate the sides are talking and continue to plan to do so in the days to come as more free agency and trade business gets settled around the league. However, it seems evident at this point that the Celtics are not just going to hand Brown a five-year supermax offer with no strings attached without some negotiation first. If that was the case, this deal would likely be done by this point.
 
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Bob Kraft at these events is the best.
Kraft is one of the founders of the criminal justice reform lobbying organization The Reform Alliance with Michael Rubin, Meek Mill, Jay-Z, etc. It focuses on fixing unfair probation and parole laws that keep former offenders tied up in the justice system, as well as changing unfair sentencing laws and helping to reduce sentences and free inmates unfairly imprisoned.
 

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Kraft is one of the founders of the criminal justice reform lobbying organization The Reform Alliance with Michael Rubin, Meek Mill, Jay-Z, etc. It focuses on fixing unfair probation and parole laws that keep former offenders tied up in the justice system, as well as changing unfair sentencing laws and helping to reduce sentences and free inmates unfairly imprisoned.
True. Also true: he is also a 82 year-old Jewish man who loves to party with young Black celebrities. It’s wild.
 

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The Reform Alliance has had much success in getting better probation and parole laws implemented, in both blue and red states, forming coalitions including local law enforcement and prisoner advocate groups in those states. According to their website, 45% of all inmates are in prison right now due to violations of probation and parole. There are over four million of our fellow Americans under supervision, 83% non-violent offenders 30% who had been previously imprisoned for minor crimes.

It’s amazing what a few motivated billionaires can do to move the needle. Kudos to Rubin, Mill, Jay-Z, Kraft and the co.

https://reformalliance.com/successes/#
 

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Does he want to be the main guy is that the issue?
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a factor, also he obviously has his mind set on Miami. I could see his stance softening, the Celtics seem to think it’s possible.

I wonder how Jaylen is feeling at the moment, unless they privately told him there’s no way he’d be moved in a potential Dame deal.
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a factor, also he obviously has his mind set on Miami. I could see his stance softening, the Celtics seem to think it’s possible.

I wonder how Jaylen is feeling at the moment, unless they privately told him there’s no way he’d be moved in a potential Dame deal.
I assume the Celtics have an extension offer on the table. It may not be at the full 35% and it may not have a player option, but it’s pretty much unimaginable that there isn’t an offer that is literally on the table. If Jaylen wants to remove any possibility of being traded this offseason, all he needs to do is agree to that offer.
 

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Does he want to be the main guy is that the issue?
The lifestyle down in Miami versus freezing his ass off in Boston in January/February might have more to do with it if it were my guess. I think most guys in the league would want to go there if they had a choice.
 

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The lifestyle down in Miami versus freezing his ass off in Boston in January/February might have more to do with it if it were my guess. I think most guys in the league would want to go there if they had a choice.
Plus he gets to keep 9% more of his money