If the Yankees flip Verdugo to SD as part of a Soto deal, this place will explode.
The Dugie Down Bronx: Red Sox trade Alex Verdugo to Yankees
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Verdugo is the definition of an average player. His fwar has been between 1.9 and 2.1 three out of four years when he has played over 100 games. He has been a positive fielder twice and negative fielder twice. His wRC+ has been between 98-112 those 4 years.
He has one year left and wasn’t going to be given a new contract. Maybe if he hit right handed he would have stuck around but the Sox need more balance in the lineup.
Hopefully Breslow and his pitching lab know what they are doing and at least one of the prospects works out. I like the trade.
He has one year left and wasn’t going to be given a new contract. Maybe if he hit right handed he would have stuck around but the Sox need more balance in the lineup.
Hopefully Breslow and his pitching lab know what they are doing and at least one of the prospects works out. I like the trade.
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I’m in no rush but I also wouldn’t say no if a deal made sense. He’s good enough to generate interest but I also think we could find someone to do the same job for less than 16 million dollars.
I would have zero interest in extending Verdugo beyond this season. Verdugo is a decent player, but the Red Sox can do better there if they want to spend some money. Plus he a lefty in a lineup with too many other lefties.
So I’m fine with taking a couple pitching prospects to let him be a pain in the ass in their locker room next year.
So I’m fine with taking a couple pitching prospects to let him be a pain in the ass in their locker room next year.
I guess me too since I wouldn't say no to a deal that made sense for any of the players on the Sox right now. Or ever. But there seems to be a lot of posts about trading Jansen and I don't get it. He is effective, on a one year deal, and is probably worth more at mid-season then now.
The Sox are not winning the World Series next year and had 77 million to spend. They are not winning the World Series next year and now have 87 million to spend and a few lottery tickets. It’s fine, building teams is fun.
First half Verdugo is someone I would have absolutely looked at extending but we never got a full season of that production. I’m fine with moving on and I think there’s a much greater than zero chance that whoever pays up when he hits the market will be getting the next Benintendi.
He’s definitely said stupider things. Would make sense for the Padres if he were included as part of a bigger package for Soto and Grisham.
I think it’s because effective closers on short deals for a big salary are perpetual trade bait. I’d be fine holding onto him as either a contributing piece to a contending Red Sox team or someone to dangle in July but I also think he’s a prime candidate to be a payroll casualty to make room for more exciting additions or just ones that are more cost effective. I digress, though, because this probably belongs in another thread anyway.
I am a huge Wilyer Abreu fan. Wouldn’t be surprised if he put up better numbers than Verdugo next year if he gets the chance. Would happily give Verdugo’s money to Adam Duvall.
I saw an interview with Verdugo on MLB Network when he got off to a great start a couple years ago, and he was very very likable. Came across as a guy who just loves to play baseball.
Which is why it was always hard for me to square that with his run ins with Cora.
Clearly something is up with the guy, but I always liked him. Hoping one of these pitchers pans out, and we’re about to make a much bigger splash.
Which is why it was always hard for me to square that with his run ins with Cora.
Clearly something is up with the guy, but I always liked him. Hoping one of these pitchers pans out, and we’re about to make a much bigger splash.
Because that’s not too unlikely a scenario this is a very, very dangerous trade for Breslow.
A lot of fans are going to want his head on a spike if these prospects go nowhere and Verdugo performs well with NY.
As they should, results matter. If this happens, he should receive criticis, just like Bloom did with the Renfoe trade.
Those were 20 years ago. The voters are better now. Verdugo's defense was great last season by the voting, eye test, and stats. No need to shit on the guy just because he was shown the door.
The problem is that all the outfielders were lefties. Maybe they can rebalance that now that there's an opening.
Lol Verdugo's career high in HRs is 13. Yankee Stadium isn't *that* small. And while it's a fairly meaningless stats his career high in RBI is 74 despite getting 544+ AB 3x.
Before we fanfic adverse outcomes for the Sox and their fans, let's see what Breslow et al do on the follow. If they make a bunch of nice upgrades, Verdugo's production may be great and it may not matter. Also, the Yankees are getting him at his most expensive so its not like they aren't without risk here too.
It's still insane they traded Mookie. I'm not going to relitigate the trade but they traded the best homegrown player since... Boggs? Lynn? Rice? for pennies on the dollar and in the end got nothing for him. It's a goddamn shame and this ownership group -- despite the WS titles -- should never hear the end of it.
Absolutely thrilled, it might not be rational but the degree to which this makes me feel we can finally turn the page on the Betts trade feels like a weight lifted.
He’s clearly better than Lynn. Unless he falls off a cliff he’s better than Rice (when including defense and speed)
hard for me personally to quantify Boggs, I wouldn’t argue either way.
probably best since Yaz I would say
Wilyer could be a kind of younger Verdugo type. LHH, half decent speed but not many steals, potentially solid defense but sometimes doesn't look good out there. Wilyer at least has a stronger arm.
Steamer projections for next year: Abreu: 244/343/414, Verdugo: 278/338/433. I highly doubt we're going into the season with Abreu being handed the RF job fulltime, but he should have a good shot at plenty of playing time (barring other moves.)
Verdugo will hit better with the change of stadiums, probably 20 HRs next year after only 13 with us this year. If he is hitting well the first time the Sox and Yankees play, we'll have to hear a ton of noise about that. But he only has one year of control left, and if any of the pitchers we got ends up doing well for us, then this trade will be a success.
On a personal level, this trade is hilarious because of my Yankee fan friend who despises Verdugo so much. Every time he sees Verdugo, he goes off on what a stupid player he is and how he "plays the game the wrong way", etc. (to be fair, I kind of agree that Verdugo makes some boneheaded plays, but nowhere near the ridiculous level of hatred he has.) And this guy is always talking about how the Yankees always play smart, fundamentally sound baseball while the Red Sox have dumb players who always make stupid mistakes, personified by Alex Verdugo and his dumb beard. So hahahahahaha!
Can someone do a quick Cubic Transformation of the stats of these Yankee pitching prospects we just acquired? How many future aces did we get?
Surely Fittsy will be a popular name in Boston.
We still have Connor Wong from the trade. He's decent. Not saying it will happen but if Fitts wins 20 games a couple of times do you consider this trade an extension of the Betts trade? Honest question.
JA post on Weissert from July:
Looks like he had him as either their 8th or 9th best RP under contract heading into the off season.
Prospect, not the 4th best starter on an injury riddled rotation. And Boston has some good SP prospects. However I’d put him 3rd as I’m a Gonzalez skeptic (I expect him to end up a power bullpen arm). Perales and Monegro have really high ceilings. One thing Fitts does do is leave them with prospect SP depth to use Gonzalez or Perales in a deal for a cost controlled starter.
Not a fan of this one at all. Streaky hitter as Verdugo is, he played elite defense in RF at the Fens. That has a ton of value in itself. Trading him to a hated division rival for lotto tickets.
Unless there is something absolutely massive coming down the track, color me unimpressed. Breslow’s first trade is this? This is a Cora move and it’s a poor one at that and I didn’t want Cora back to begin with.
But, hey, they saved $9 million. I guess this is what we can expect. If the MFY use Dugie as a trade chip for Soto, that will be the ultimate laugh on this front office and ownership.
Baseball players are expensive. Whatever, this team isn’t competing for a championship for several years anyway. Now, we get to watch Dugie hit bombs against us and not have attitude issues in the Bronx. And let’s talk more about the the Mookie trade for another season. Can’t wait.
Unless there is something absolutely massive coming down the track, color me unimpressed. Breslow’s first trade is this? This is a Cora move and it’s a poor one at that and I didn’t want Cora back to begin with.
But, hey, they saved $9 million. I guess this is what we can expect. If the MFY use Dugie as a trade chip for Soto, that will be the ultimate laugh on this front office and ownership.
Baseball players are expensive. Whatever, this team isn’t competing for a championship for several years anyway. Now, we get to watch Dugie hit bombs against us and not have attitude issues in the Bronx. And let’s talk more about the the Mookie trade for another season. Can’t wait.
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My sense with Verdugo was always that he was a very emotional guy – when he was up, he was up, fun, energetic and it was contagious. But when he was down he was down – difficult, petty and … that was contagious too.
I kind of felt last year that he deserved an All Star nod for the first half he had – I suspect he felt the same way and it probably would’ve been great for him to have his hard work pay off. And then, when he didn’t get it, coincidentally or not, he went into an offensive funk that lasted most of the second half. And that’s when all the benching and sulking shit happened.
Oh well. I hope one of these prospects pans out too.
i was worried this thread wouldn’t manage to devolve into rounds of bashing the Mookie trade. Fortunately, my fears proved unfounded.
As to Verdugo, he was a player the Red Sox clearly did not want. It seems unlikely the Padres will want him either, at $10 million this season and much more after that. But even if they do, even if the Yankees do include him in a deal that nets Soto, who cares? If the Yankees want Soto, they will go get him, and Verdugo will be only the most minor piece of any such deal. If it weren’t Verdugo it would be some other fourth piece that the Yankees acquired for some of their lesser prospects. Really, who cares?
The Sox wanted out of the Alex Verdugo business and now they are. It seems reasonable to assume that Breslow has a plan to replace him and to further improve the team. Let’s see what it is before we fret over what his head might look like on a spike.
As to Verdugo, he was a player the Red Sox clearly did not want. It seems unlikely the Padres will want him either, at $10 million this season and much more after that. But even if they do, even if the Yankees do include him in a deal that nets Soto, who cares? If the Yankees want Soto, they will go get him, and Verdugo will be only the most minor piece of any such deal. If it weren’t Verdugo it would be some other fourth piece that the Yankees acquired for some of their lesser prospects. Really, who cares?
The Sox wanted out of the Alex Verdugo business and now they are. It seems reasonable to assume that Breslow has a plan to replace him and to further improve the team. Let’s see what it is before we fret over what his head might look like on a spike.
I was reading this thread. Then I was listening to a Harry Bosch audiobook.
Based in Los Angeles
they mentioned
a baseball player
that plays at
Chavez Revine
Any guesses?
YOU CAN BETT IT FELT SPOOKY
Two of those wagers would be
Based in Los Angeles
they mentioned
a baseball player
that plays at
Chavez Revine
Any guesses?
YOU CAN BETT IT FELT SPOOKY
Two of those wagers would be
Spooky Betts
A Soto deal to the Yanks could still happen, but if this were part of that, why wouldn’t Cashman have just traded Fitts, Weissert and Judice to San Diego and have Preller flip them to us for Verdugo?
The fact that the Yankees twitter announced it suggests he could stay.
Anyway, obviously pleased with this but eager to see what else shakes out. Really wonder what we might have gotten had we traded Verdugo earlier.
The fact that the Yankees twitter announced it suggests he could stay.
Anyway, obviously pleased with this but eager to see what else shakes out. Really wonder what we might have gotten had we traded Verdugo earlier.
I wonder if instead of Verdugo they'll send a subsidized Stanton to the Padres as part of a Soto trade...
Should definitely be a great move for Verdugo's impending free agency:
View: https://twitter.com/RotoClegg/status/1732229724665991251
View: https://twitter.com/RotoClegg/status/1732229724665991251
Have you seen his spray chart overlapped on Yankee stadium? He might have hit 30 last year had he played for the Yanks.This is a great pick-up for the MFY, which, by definition, makes it a bad move for the Sox.
If the Sox wanted a GM who’d dump a RF with a much needed skill set for prospects - couldn’t they have just kept Bloom?
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we should all know that spray charts are useless. Just ask A-gon. And how excited we were to trade for him.
Yeah all he did in his only full season with us was hit .340 and lead all of baseball in hits.
I totally agree with this - this feels like a Bloom move. Hopefully Fitts becomes a quality major league starter, and maybe this move proceeds other moves to come - "another shoe to drop." Though how many times did we say that about a Bloom move? More seeds for the future. I'd like the team to acquire a couple of already established all-start quality major leaguers. When was the last time they did that? Maybe Story, but there were already yellow flags with him ...
Yup. This is very Bloomy, which, at this point in time is exactly the way to piss off the average Sox fan and guarantee another decline in ticket sales. Obviously, the off-season isn’t over but Bloom just increased the immense pressure he was facing prior to this move.
The fact that this trade was to the Yankees only increases that risk. Most Sox fans I know would have trouble deciding between a Red Sox win and a Yankees loss, as it’s really two sides of the same coin. There are no win/win trades with the Yanks unless neither side gets much out of this deal (in which case it might be forgotten).
For the next year, at least, it would seem highly likely that this trade benefits the Yanks more than the Sox, which means that Breslow is accepting a short-term (at least) hit to his popularity as a give-in with this move. There is good reason that these two rivals rarely make trades with each other. I assume Breslow gets this, so I guess that means he really likes these prospects. Hope he’s right..
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