Without that ad we would not have this.lexrageorge said:Goats: Katy Perry, just because. And Nationwide for that awful ad.
Without that ad we would not have this.lexrageorge said:Goats: Katy Perry, just because. And Nationwide for that awful ad.
Wow, I didn't see how far Butler came from to get to the ball on the live telecast, or in any of the NBC replays, although I'll watch the game again today or tomorrow and look for it. Thanks for that clip.SeoulSoxFan said:
The Patriots had a great plan of attack. Probably the injuries to Lane and Avril helped, but they realized used motion and alignment to scheme open receivers and get favorable matchups. This is where the Patriots being a game plan team helped; Denver had a great scheme and great personnel last year but ran into a buzz saw; the Patriots just do whatever it takes to move the ball.teddykgb said:For all the flack Josh McDaniels often gets (sometimes from me), I think they had an excellent idea of how to attack the Seattle defense. They weren't able to force the D to completely unravel, but they identified some areas where Seattle would be vulnerable and too stubborn to change their entire D and it worked really well. Bringing back all the short passes and RB out of the backfield stuff really neutralized Seattle's rush and gave the Patriots momentum. Conventional wisdom would probably say that you can't play sideways against a team known for its speed like Seattle, but the Patriots seemed well prepared for this game and seemed to have a plan of attack.
Seconded. Maybe his best game with the Patriots?Curtis Pride said:I'd like to give a game ball to Shane Vereen. 11 receptions, 64 yards. All of them important in sustaining those long drives.
They nuked the thread. :-(SeoulSoxFan said:Read it from Seahawks fans' point of view. Yup -- still reminds me of the Giants losses. Starts with the Kearse catch:
http://www.seahawkblue.com/showthread.php?43958-Official-Game-Thread-Patriots-Seahawks!-Super-Bowl-XLIX!-*Rated-R*/page44
Hendoo said:Lost on the Butler interception, that collision with Lockette was fierce, how the fuck did he hold onto the ball?
What a low bar we've set where we can have a game with a blown call that should have been a first down and a positioning issue that resulted in a touchdown and call it well-officiated. Bring back the replacement refs. And give us replay on penalties.Tony C said:by the way, in terms of game balls...the refs had a helluva game. missed the roughing the kicker call, but very clean and not too many calls.
Jed Zeppelin said:There's an alternate universe where this forum's offseason would largely revolve around the following topics:
In this universe, Brady will still be a year older and we're still wondering about Revis and the draft, etc, but winning it all makes all the difference in the world. We get to really enjoy the draft and not worry about finding a hidden savior or hearing the stupid critiques of Bill's grocery shopping and lack of a killer instinct and so on when the next over-the-hill pass rusher signs for huge money with another team. Just a nice tint on everything today.
- Brady another year older without a ring/Window closed
- How do we replace Revis and hope to keep a strong D? (this is still a ? but it simply matters less in this universe)
- Is there anyone in the draft that can help the team win now?
- Is there anything this team can do to get over the hump? #Kearsed
MyDaughterLovesTomGordon said:Seriously, I think we should set up a fund for Butler's descendants. No Butler should ever want for anything again.
Missed a pretty blatant trip by butler but I'll take it.Tony C said:by the way, in terms of game balls...the refs had a helluva game. missed the roughing the kicker call, but very clean and not too many calls.
brandonchristensen said:The defense did great on short and medium plays. They just kept getting beat on the jump ball.
It's usually the week after the game I thought? (So it would be this week?)NortheasternPJ said:
Not soon enough.
Old Fart Tree said:Missed a pretty blatant trip by butler but I'll take it.
MentalDisabldLst said:Yep. Although I'd call that a "good" foul - the downside of getting caught is ball at the spot of the foul. The downside of giving up that catch is probably 15-20 YAC.
And I'd say the non-call more or less evened out what should have been roughing the kicker on the Pats' first drive.
MentalDisabldLst said:
Yeah, in real time I was thinking "dammit Harmon, why wouldn't you just dive right over Kearse's body and break up the ball [again]?", but thinking back, I have no idea whether that would be called for DPI or UR. And of course we can't really blame him - in the flow of play, he's moving as fast as he can and has a tiny fraction of a second to either blow up Kearse or jump over him. He sees the ball tipped and decides to clear out. But I'm curious about your statement - COULD Harmon have drilled him and not gotten flagged? Or was this a "there is no legal way to play defense" moment?
With the benefit of hindsight sure but at the time he saw the ball was tipped and surely thought it was going to be incomplete.Jettisoned said:
Drilling him was absolutely the right call. Worst case scenario: personal foul for 15 yards and a 1st after the incompletion. The completed pass gave Seattle 40 yards (whatever it was) and a first.
Sort of have to weight it by the 99% chance the ball falls to the ground incomplete vs. the 1% chance of a pulled from the ass catch IMOJettisoned said:
Drilling him was absolutely the right call. Worst case scenario: personal foul for 15 yards and a 1st after the incompletion. The completed pass gave Seattle 40 yards (whatever it was) and a first.
MentalDisabldLst said:Completely agree, but if he DOES decide to drill Kearse, does he necessarily get flagged? Is Kearse a defenseless receiver still, and thus there is no legal way to play defense?
Stevie1der said:
Officials seem pretty lenient usually on contact following a tip, I think Harmon could've gotten away with a lot as long as we was making a good-faith effort to go after the ball.
crystalline said:I finally was able to go watch the 4th quarter of the 2010 season Super Bowl. Complete with Welker drop and Manningham catch. And able to feel like all that doesn't matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki1anLeOj08
Eli made one sweet throw to Manningham and that was a great catch. Chung got there 0.3 seconds too late to push him out. And Brady could have thrown the Welker ball a tiny bit lower, but as Michaels said, "Welker makes that catch 100 times out of 100".
Wow. Such a big win last night.
rodderick said:
I can stomach watching this one, but '07 will always hurt.
So many crazy gut punches in between titles:DennyDoyle said:
I'm done with '07. I'm over it. If the Seahawks had gone 4 and out last night and the Patriots took a victory formation in non-dramatic fashion, maybe I'd feel differently. But after the Kearse catch, and then having the Patriots make the last second Houdini play, I'm going to view every moment from 2005 to now as one, long 10 year season that culminated in a trophy last night.
Jed Zeppelin said:So many crazy gut punches in between titles:
Watson chases down Champ, no touchback
Face guarding, Bug eyes, flu, Eric Alexander, crowd noise
42
Brady's knee
46
All the angst is washed away.
It was noted by Collinsworth at the time, but huge kudos to McDaniels for recognizing that Edelman toasted Simon on that route once already (bad Brady overthrow) and going back to the well. Poor guy had no chance of covering JE.
I bet Revis could cover it, but anyone else, yikes.rodderick said:
To that effect, is that route even coverable when Edelman runs it like that? I mean, it seems to me the only way to stop it is by holding his jersey. Just crazy how agile he is.
Well said. This feels a lot like October 2004. Bucky Bleepin Dent mattered (Schiraldi/Stanley/Gedman in 86 etc., etc.) a lot less then. Tyree's stupid helmet catch matters a lot less now.DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
I'm done with '07. I'm over it. If the Seahawks had gone 4 and out last night and the Patriots took a victory formation in non-dramatic fashion, maybe I'd feel differently. But after the Kearse catch, and then having the Patriots make the last second Houdini play, I'm going to view every moment from 2005 to now as one, long 10 year season that culminated in a trophy last night.
Watching that again . . . it was a bummer to see Mankins suck so bad. He was awful in this game.crystalline said:I finally was able to go watch the 4th quarter of the 2010 season Super Bowl. Complete with Welker drop and Manningham catch. And able to feel like all that doesn't matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki1anLeOj08
Eli made one sweet throw to Manningham and that was a great catch. Chung got there 0.3 seconds too late to push him out. And Brady could have thrown the Welker ball a tiny bit lower, but as Michaels said, "Welker makes that catch 100 times out of 100".
Wow. Such a big win last night.
SeoulSoxFan said:Read it from Seahawks fans' point of view. Yup -- still reminds me of the Giants losses. Starts with the Kearse catch:
http://www.seahawkblue.com/showthread.php?43958-Official-Game-Thread-Patriots-Seahawks!-Super-Bowl-XLIX!-*Rated-R*/page44
There was zero chance Harmon could have intercepted that ball. He was coming in full speed, saw both Kearse and Butler on the ground with the ball loose. 99 times out of 100 that's an incomplete pass; hitting the guy in that scenario results in a costly penalty 99 times out of 100. Had Harmon been positioned differently, sure, then there's a chance he could have made a play. But not in that case.j44thor said:
Rather than drilling him he could have attempted the INT. That is the part I don't get, there was a live ball in front of him, even if he thinks it is going to hit the ground he should be doing everything he can to either ensure it does hit the ground or better yet come up with the catch himself.
I think it was such a good play by Butler that it made the play call look incredibly stupid. Without such an aggressive and confident move by 21, could have easily been a TD or 2nd down.P said:Well, it was an epically stupid call. Admit it: we were all wonder how much time Brady would have to get them in FG position.
This cannot be repeated enough. The mediots find a narrative to attempt to minimize the greatness of the Patriots - and they stick to it until the end of time. Like the Big Lie of the Soviet Union. No different than Stalin.Harry Hooper said:
This needs to be repeated amidst all the moaning about not giving Lynch (1-for-5 from the 1-yard line regular season} the ball at the end. Also, Lynch was stoned on a 3rd-and-2 and on a 3rd-and-1 earlier in the game.
Tony C said:(and, yeah, Vereen's one-handed catch was insane.
Defensive end Akeem Ayers relayed the story of how he was on the sideline with rookie cornerback Malcolm Butler during Super Bowl XLIX and Butler turned to him and said, "They need to put me in the game because I'm going to do my thing."