Lose Remerswaal said:
Was Suh even in Foxboro last night? I don't remember his name being called all night, at least not after the introductions (0 tackles, 2 assists)
He was playing snow football with Gronk and a bunch of others.
Lose Remerswaal said:
Was Suh even in Foxboro last night? I don't remember his name being called all night, at least not after the introductions (0 tackles, 2 assists)
Archer1979 said:I really hope everyone appreciates what they're watching with Brady and not taking it for granted. This is Pedro in the 90's, Bird in the 80's, and Orr in the 70's. Enjoy it now and remember it for your conversations with your grandkids when talking about the greatest players you ever saw play.
Yeah a lot of the longer downfield routes were on PA with 6 or 7 guys blocking. Fleming made a couple bonehead plays but overall line play was pretty good given the quality of the Fins' DL.j44thor said:I'd have to rewatch the game to be certain but I'm fairly sure that a lot of those longer pass plays they kept a te in to block. On the play wake ruptured his Achilles Williams had him one on one. I don't think Fleming had wake one on one too many times.
TheoShmeo said:The Pats fans are spoiled stuff meme is overstated, in my view.
Ale Xander was simply wrong. It was an understandable mistake to make regarding Fleming in that he was penalized a few times and made a silly mistake on that illegal man down field. I have no idea what the beef re Vollmer was. But either way, those comments scream "wrong headed" rather than spoiled to me.
SeoulSoxFan said:
@RyanHannable For Tom Brady this was his 19th game with at least 4 TD and 0 INTs, most all-time.
DrewDawg said:Not many snaps for Amendola last night.
DrewDawg said:Not many snaps for Amendola last night.
LaFell has stepped right in and become the #2 WR in the offense behind Edelman. Amendola did a trememdous job filling in and will be called on again to make some plays but LaFell should be getting more snaps over him.DrewDawg said:Not many snaps for Amendola last night.
I don't mean to quibble (OK, maybe I do just a little), but my point isn't so much that less thoughtful commentary is OK...it's that being wrong doesn't necessarily mean that you are spoiled.( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
Yes, it was just an uniformed comment and that's OK, this isn't exactly a serious thread. I think there are certainly some spoiled fans out there but there is also an element on this board that has a "I'm better then you because I know more about football then you" attitude. It's good that the standards are high here and the discussion is generally awesome, but football will always lend itself to a some less thoughtful commentary. In certain threads/discussions it's not necessarily a bad thing.
That play reminded me of that SB 46 heave to Gronk that Chase Blackburn (WTF) picked off. Except only if Chase had instead tackled Gronk with his back to the ball before it got there.Bleedred said:Tom Brady missed a wide open Lafell deep in the Miami secondary on a broken play when he couldn't deliver the ball long (Lafell was interfered with). Could this be the first sign of TB12's decline? Yes, I'm bullshitting. Tom Brady is fucking epic!
Ed Hillel said:That play reminded me of that SB 46 heave to Gronk that Chase Blackburn (WTF) picked off. Except only if Chase had instead tackled Gronk with his back to the ball before it got there.
It's just the play that immediately came to mind last night. Brady somehow escapes a sack and then heaves a floater downfield. He doesn't have too many of those so they stick out.loshjott said:
Why bring that up?
That was a Gronk who couldn't run or jump well due to his ankle injury. A healthy Gronk makes that catch or breaks it up.
ESPN just can't stop hating on the Pats. Which dead American was greater than Brady? Needless qualification used only to bring Tommy down.DrewDawg said:
ESPN had this stat on screen this morning and the heading was "Greatest Living American".
Yeah, a long way to go, but there have been just 14 players post-merger who have 45+ rushing attempts, average 4.5+ yards per rush and 50+ receiving yards per game:H78 said:I know we've all come to realize we have an absolute steal in Dion Lewis.
...but if he continues to play like this, it could be one of the all-time great steals in league history. He isn't just "pretty good," he's quickly turning into one of the best playmakers in the league. He has plenty more to prove, but how can you not be absolutely blown away by what you see?
H78 said:I know we've all come to realize we have an absolute steal in Dion Lewis.
...but if he continues to play like this, it could be one of the all-time great steals in league history. He isn't just "pretty good," he's quickly turning into one of the best playmakers in the league. He has plenty more to prove, but how can you not be absolutely blown away by what you see?
One of the guys on CSNE, probably Koppen because he played center, said there's an interactive thing where if the right guard sees something, he taps the center on the butt and then the C is supposed to snap the ball. The RG did that, no snap, couple of seconds later, he tapped Pouncey again, couple of seconds, then he snapped the ball. I'd never heard of any of that kind of protocol, but it all happened like Koppen said. Meanwhile, Tannehill was unconscious throughout the whole thing. Wonder if any reporter asked Campbell to explain who really was at fault.j44thor said:Game ball to Pouncey for the worst snap of the year.
I thought the announcers did a pretty good job of shoing that pretty much the entire team moved as the ball was snapped, except for the QB. Whatever their protocol was, it seemed like everyone else was on board.Al Zarilla said:One of the guys on CSNE, probably Koppen because he played center, said there's an interactive thing where if the right guard sees something, he taps the center on the butt and then the C is supposed to snap the ball. The RG did that, no snap, couple of seconds later, he tapped Pouncey again, couple of seconds, then he snapped the ball. I'd never heard of any of that kind of protocol, but it all happened like Koppen said. Meanwhile, Tannehill was unconscious throughout the whole thing. Wonder if any reporter asked Campbell to explain who really was at fault.
simplyeric said:I thought the announcers did a pretty good job of shoing that pretty much the entire team moved as the ball was snapped, except for the QB. Whatever their protocol was, it seemed like everyone else was on board.
( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
Yes, it was just an uniformed comment and that's OK, this isn't exactly a serious thread. I think there are certainly some spoiled fans out there but there is also an element on this board that has a "I'm better then you because I know more about football then you" attitude. It's good that the standards are high here and the discussion is generally awesome, but football will always lend itself to a some less thoughtful commentary. In certain threads/discussions it's not necessarily a bad thing.
Ralphwiggum said:In terms of the spoiled stuff, it is my own issue but I have to avoid the game threads as much as humanly possible. Sure, the offense wasn't firing on all cylinders last night, but they scored on the first possession, had a 9 point lead in the first quarter, 19 point lead at the half, and the game was really never in doubt after the coin flip. Oh yeah they are defending World Champs, 7-0, lead the league in point differential, and just flayed a divisional rival who came into the game hot on national TV. But in the game thread, when a Pats drive ends in a punt it is like the end of the fucking world. Brady misses a throw and he's "off". Blount gets stopped for no gain and McDaniels is an idiot. And God forbid the other team make a play and score points. But again, mainly my own issue, I understand people get worked up, and I should just avoid going in there during games.
Having said that, I think for the most part the commentary in the main BBTL threads is great and balanced, and people find a way to talk about the stuff that isn't working as well on the Pats without coming across as fans that lack perspective.
Ale Xander said:Agree to disagree. You guys need to watch the film. Fleming was beaten very often.
But yes I am spoiled, and yes I am grading on a curve of the past 15 years, and also compared to a couple players near him with less pro experience that did better.
Just the one planted foot towards the middle, and the defender bit 100% on that.Old Fart Tree said:The Lewis freak move on the swing pass was epic.
Yeah but Who's Now?rodderick said:ESPN just can't stop hating on the Pats. Which dead American was greater than Brady? Needless qualification used only to bring Tommy down.
Question to those with more knowledge. On those silent shotgun snaps, how are the offensive players deciding when to move? Are they just looking at the ball for the snap or is there something?simplyeric said:I thought the announcers did a pretty good job of shoing that pretty much the entire team moved as the ball was snapped, except for the QB. Whatever their protocol was, it seemed like everyone else was on board.
Yes, Armstrong was fantastic. I must be the only one with fond memories of Pat Harlow and perhaps it is affecting my opinion of Fleming's performance. We will need to improve RT play should we oppose GB or Carolina or AZ in Levi-land. And certainly for Denver.soxfan121 said:
Yuuuuuuuup. (you get one more u)
They're called game threads. As an extension of a game thread, the standards in this thread are a little lower than in other BBtL forum threads. For everyone.
And this is why there's occasionally some friction. Game threading outside the game threads is discouraged.
You can go even further back - Bruce Armstrong was damned good too. There's no such thing as an unspoiled Boston sports fan, it is our collective burden to bear for being so successful.
I hope KFP has time to watch the film. That might be fun.
Ale Xander said:Yes, Armstrong was fantastic. I must be the only one with fond memories of Pat Harlow and perhaps it is affecting my opinion of Fleming's performance. We will need to improve RT play should we oppose GB or Carolina or AZ in Levi-land. And certainly for Denver.
I could be mis-remembering or remembering a different play but I don't think he called for a fair catch. I think he made the safe / penalty declined motion with his arms to signal to his team he wasn't going to try to catch it.MalzoneExpress said:A couple of posters mentioed Edelman calling for a fair catch on a punt and then blocking as a good play. I thought doing that was a penalty and was surprised when he wasn't flagged.
I found it. "...A player who signals for a fair catch is not required to catch the ball. However, if a player signals for a fair catch, he may not block or initiate contact with any player on the kicking team until the ball touches a player. Penalty: snap 15 yards...." from http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/faircatch
there was no way he called for a fair catch. If anything, he would probably try to fake the defensive guy into thinking he was going to return it.MalzoneExpress said:A couple of posters mentioed Edelman calling for a fair catch on a punt and then blocking as a good play. I thought doing that was a penalty and was surprised when he wasn't flagged.
I found it. "...A player who signals for a fair catch is not required to catch the ball. However, if a player signals for a fair catch, he may not block or initiate contact with any player on the kicking team until the ball touches a player. Penalty: snap 15 yards...." from http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/faircatch
Even if it was a penalty it was a good one to take. If he had not blocked the guy, it is possible the ball gets downed inside the 5. With the penalty, it is at the 10 with it being half the distance to the goal. (A 15-yard personal foul is half the distance to the goal from the 20, right?)Toe Nash said:I could be mis-remembering or remembering a different play but I don't think he called for a fair catch. I think he made the safe / penalty declined motion with his arms to signal to his team he wasn't going to try to catch it.
This is correct. He waived the return off which means nothing officially. He can waive his hands down low and then still field the ball if he was so inclined.Toe Nash said:I could be mis-remembering or remembering a different play but I don't think he called for a fair catch. I think he made the safe / penalty declined motion with his arms to signal to his team he wasn't going to try to catch it.
So y'mean that's not Marco Rubio?DrewDawg said:
ESPN had this stat on screen this morning and the heading was "Greatest Living American".
Paging Mr. Zodda.Eddie Jurak said:I think Gostkowski deserves a shout out for that 52 yard FG into the wind. Did he basically kick that one deliberately wide and let the wind blow it back through the uprights?
This is correct, although I can't find the video to confirm it.Toe Nash said:I could be mis-remembering or remembering a different play but I don't think he called for a fair catch. I think he made the safe / penalty declined motion with his arms to signal to his team he wasn't going to try to catch it.
Three of the 14 slots are taken by Marshall Faulk's '99, '00, and '01 seasons... another reminder of the brilliance of the Super Bowl 36 game planToe Nash said:Yeah, a long way to go, but there have been just 14 players post-merger who have 45+ rushing attempts, average 4.5+ yards per rush and 50+ receiving yards per game:
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Most likely he did play the wind there. On longer kicks, you absolutely have to take it into account. I think it may have been a little further outside than he wanted, as you'll typically target an upright so that if the wind dies down in flight you still have a chance, but he definitely played the wind there. Beautiful ball.Section15Box113 said:Paging Mr. Zodda.
Mr. Zodda to the courtesy desk, please.