Brady was being criticized for not mixing up the snap count at all on Twitter by a few media members.
The Game Goat Thread: AFCCG @ Broncos
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Not sure how Brady can be a goat today. Yeah he chucked one up for Miller but he was literally hit more times than EVER in his career, regular or post season.
McD's call of running plays, in particular on the first series when they went out on downs. With 2 Denver safeties out, they were finally gaining yards through the air; James White can't run in teh best of circumstances, and the call is:
- 1st and 10 at DEN 25
(7:30 - 4th) J.White up the middle to DEN 26 for -1 yards (S.Barrett; D.Trevathan)
He's a prime candidate to be cut. Only $1m in dead cap if cut in 2016, the last year of his 3-year deal.
The goat is the OL, and particularly Cannon, full stop.
I normally get over games quickly and don't post in these threads - what makes me so fucking angry right now is that despite how poorly the O-line payed, this was still a winnable game if Gostkowski had made his XP, or if McDaniels stopped wasting plays on 1YPC runs well into the second half, or if McD stopped wasting plays on the "heave a floater up to White or Martin" play, or if Brandon LaFell even showed up at all today, or if one of Peyton's multiple floaters that our DBs got their hands on turned into an INT...
And Brady, despite the pressure he was under all afternoon, takes some of the blame. The two interceptions were poor decisions, and he had open receivers on several plays where he got happy feet and made poor throws or deliberately threw it away.
The playoff losses are harder to take each year, because the day is fast approaching when Brady is finished and the juggernaut that this team has been for the last 15 years falls apart. It's maddening to think that if not for Logan Mankins shitting the bed in 2007 and Nate Solder getting hurt this year (to say nothing of other plays left on the field - Reche Caldwell in 2006, the helmet catch, the Welker drop, etc.), the Pats might have 5 or 6 rings.
I normally get over games quickly and don't post in these threads - what makes me so fucking angry right now is that despite how poorly the O-line payed, this was still a winnable game if Gostkowski had made his XP, or if McDaniels stopped wasting plays on 1YPC runs well into the second half, or if McD stopped wasting plays on the "heave a floater up to White or Martin" play, or if Brandon LaFell even showed up at all today, or if one of Peyton's multiple floaters that our DBs got their hands on turned into an INT...
And Brady, despite the pressure he was under all afternoon, takes some of the blame. The two interceptions were poor decisions, and he had open receivers on several plays where he got happy feet and made poor throws or deliberately threw it away.
The playoff losses are harder to take each year, because the day is fast approaching when Brady is finished and the juggernaut that this team has been for the last 15 years falls apart. It's maddening to think that if not for Logan Mankins shitting the bed in 2007 and Nate Solder getting hurt this year (to say nothing of other plays left on the field - Reche Caldwell in 2006, the helmet catch, the Welker drop, etc.), the Pats might have 5 or 6 rings.
Yeah, I can't remember one hard count to try to draw Miller and Ware offsides, which is one of Brady's trademarks. Obviously it's harder in Denver, but it's worth trying on those short 3rd down plays when the Broncos linemen are trying to time the snap count.
BB:
Proud of our guys.
Didn't make a couple of the plays they did.
Disappointing. Any one of them could have made a differences.
Players, coaches, all of us... such a fine line.. a little bit more and it could have been a different outcome.
A crash landing on the season, like any last loss in this league.
Proud of our guys.
Didn't make a couple of the plays they did.
Disappointing. Any one of them could have made a differences.
Players, coaches, all of us... such a fine line.. a little bit more and it could have been a different outcome.
A crash landing on the season, like any last loss in this league.
Either get Brady a good pass blocking OL or find a legitimate running game, because when your whole offense is predicated on him masking every single weakness by making correct reads and getting rid of the ball in 1.8 seconds, eventually you'll face a fierce pass rush and have no fucking option to cope with it.
BB for advocating to move back the extra point. Joke.
Allen is my goat. He was a two point difference in field position by himself.
But this game was won by Denver as much as it was lost by the Patriots. Getting pressure with a four man rush is how you beat Brady. If Tom Caughlin can figure it out, it's not rocket science. They were the wrong team for the Pats.
Allen is my goat. He was a two point difference in field position by himself.
But this game was won by Denver as much as it was lost by the Patriots. Getting pressure with a four man rush is how you beat Brady. If Tom Caughlin can figure it out, it's not rocket science. They were the wrong team for the Pats.
Mini-mini goat to the Pats players diving on the fumbled conversion runback by Denver at the end. You have to know you need to try the scoop and run there.
But a play here and a play there and Brady only has 2 rings. Just how it goes when you're at this stage.
@Trags Stephen Gostkowski: "It's a nightmare scenario. I deserve all the blame I get."
Plenty of more of that to go around, Ghost.
Plenty of more of that to go around, Ghost.
ST players need to have the awareness there to try to pick up the ball and lateral/run. Diving on it does nothing,
BB set the tone with the call on the coin flip he gets my first one, the OL obviously not being able to handle at times just a 3 man rush, Brady for throwing two interceptions and finally our kicker for picking the worst time for his steak to end.
Blaming Stork for not picking it up at the 20 and manufacturing a 20 yard offensive broken play isn't in the realm of conversation. I know situational football and all that but he wasn't going to pick it up and pull a music city miracle.
Offensive line.
Offensive line.
Offensive line.
Offensive line.
Gostkowski.
The OL was vomit inducing and was the reason we lost.
I don't care if you miss an XP. When the other team is able to get pressure when they rush three, you've got a bit of a problem. Brady didn't exactly help himself out, but after all that pressure, you couldn't really blame him for some of those terrible throws.
I'd throw James White in the mix as well.. The guy displayed stones for hands. Maybe he's been working with LaFell after practice lately.
Offensive line.
Offensive line.
Offensive line.
Gostkowski.
The OL was vomit inducing and was the reason we lost.
I don't care if you miss an XP. When the other team is able to get pressure when they rush three, you've got a bit of a problem. Brady didn't exactly help himself out, but after all that pressure, you couldn't really blame him for some of those terrible throws.
I'd throw James White in the mix as well.. The guy displayed stones for hands. Maybe he's been working with LaFell after practice lately.
I know, I'm not serious. Just funny that, all things being equal, that COULD have happened.
I was mad at them going for it both times (game thread is evidence), so this isn't hindsight.
I picked the wrong week to quit mainlining heroin.
Ghost - obviously
O-Line - obviously
Brady - as much as he was hit, he still missed open receivers. And that first int? Uggghhh.
Ghost - obviously
O-Line - obviously
Brady - as much as he was hit, he still missed open receivers. And that first int? Uggghhh.
Also, THE FUCKING SERVER.
Is it really impossible to just up the plan for the playoffs or for the one day or whatever? Every week it crashes.
Is it really impossible to just up the plan for the playoffs or for the one day or whatever? Every week it crashes.
It begins and ends with the OL.
People putting Gost at #1 "obviously" is crazy talk. He's an elite kicker who had the percentages sneak up on him at the wrong time. They had the whole game to play around that 1 point.
People putting Gost at #1 "obviously" is crazy talk. He's an elite kicker who had the percentages sneak up on him at the wrong time. They had the whole game to play around that 1 point.
Those aren't special teams players, and it's an extremely unusual situation. If anything,that's something coaches should be reminding them.
He's my goat.
The biggest factor in them losing the game is the Von Miller interception - I'm not sure whether he just didn't see Miller in underneath coverage, or it was just way underthrown, but that play pretty much decided the game. Denver's offense is terrible - the one thing you can't do is give them the ball on your own 20 yard line.
You can drive yourself nutty with these things, but I thought Martin was wide open on that 2-pt conversion.
Problem is, you fall into the trap of the false belief. That, somehow, the game would play out as it did if the Pats went for the FGs. There's no way of knowing with any certainty.
Those were really tough catches. Brady usually led him a little to far or was a little short so he had to reach around a defender. And, in fairness to Brady, he never had enough time to make a good throw.
I agree with that, but it wasn't as if it was "well, you can go for the tie now, or you have to win by getting three FGs.". Each stage, if the previous FG has been made, has a reasonable argument to kick the next FG. It's like betting on a flush draw when you're two cards away. Kicking the first FG isn't necessarily playing for the flush, but when the next kicking opportunity comes up and you're one card closer, it comes into mind.
Obviously. They weren't PLAYING for 3 FG's...but ALL THINGS BEING...
It doesn't matter.
It was Gronk who came open while Brady still had time. Brady gave up on him way too early on that play.
It's all on the OL.
If they played even just a slightly below average game we win. But they played as bad as I've seen a Pats OL play since the early 90s. Simply inexcusable.
They need to blow up the OL this off season.
If they played even just a slightly below average game we win. But they played as bad as I've seen a Pats OL play since the early 90s. Simply inexcusable.
They need to blow up the OL this off season.
Also another reason I have for BB being my number 1 is that I believe he went for the FGs because he lost faith that Brady had a miracle in him.
Probably not a goat thread discussion, but kicking is so good in the NFL right now that you have to ask whether franchising a kicker is a sound move. There just isn't a very big difference between a primo kicker and a replacement kicker, and no kicker is immune from a miss. Three million more of cap space probably wouldn't have won the Super Bowl, but I wonder if having a highly paid kicker is a luxury that is unneeded in a salary cap league.
Right, but it would be like drawing when you know that several cards in that suit have already been taken out of play, considering how the Denver D was destroying the OL all game. Possible, and in the end might have worked, but improbable.
A long, time-warp goat for only offering $3.5 (I think) to Sanders. Pitt was in real cap crunch and a $1m more would have had him.
Oh, on the first fourth down, certainly take the 3 ... especially became it negates the need for the 2-pt conversion if things go your way
They did have a legitimate running game. A two headed monster of Dion Lewis in the passing game and power running with Blount. They got hurt. I'm fine with those two back next season.
Good kickers are hugely important. Gost fucked up once, but I have no issue with how they're handling him. He's worth it.