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I hate diluting the playoffs. I could live with 12 -- especially if they expand to 32 teams, something they should have done years ago -- but 14 would suck.
 

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The number of teams doesn't bother me so much if there is a fair way to make it harder for the bottom teams vs the division leaders. A 4 day Thursday - Sunday with 1 travel day weekend of elimination baseball could be fun and more fair than a bunch of 1 game series while the top teams get off.

It has to be done with the goal of 1) Incentivizing division winners and/or runners up 2) Not extending the playoffs to a degree where its muddled and boring 3) Finding an exciting replacement for the 1 game playoff that is fair
 

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The number of teams doesn't bother me so much if there is a fair way to make it harder for the bottom teams vs the division leaders. A 4 day Thursday - Sunday with 1 travel day weekend of elimination baseball could be fun and more fair than a bunch of 1 game series while the top teams get off.

It has to be done with the goal of 1) Incentivizing division winners and/or runners up 2) Not extending the playoffs to a degree where its muddled and boring 3) Finding an exciting replacement for the 1 game playoff that is fair
3 best of three series, with the number one seed getting a bye with all three games at the top seeds ballpark.
 

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The only good thing about 14 teams is that it might make marginal teams less likely to tank, maybe.
 

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If you pay your hard-earned money for an AL #2 vs. AL #7 preliminary-round series ticket, you are an idiot and an enabler. Sorry for the content-free post, but I can’t believe we’re going to lose about 0.25 to 1.0 seasons and come out of this with a far less interesting version of the sport than what we had before.
 

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If they've agreed on the number of teams in the postseason then it's likely that other things will fall into place. The union's given up their biggest chip, they must have gotten something back (or not), so an agreement will come. It's been a really boring 3 months. Time for some free agency action.
 

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If they've agreed on the number of teams in the postseason then it's likely that other things will fall into place. The union's given up their biggest chip, they must have gotten something back (or not), so an agreement will come.
Or the owners will hold out for other concessions
 

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The 12 team thing is good but it is going to suck when the MLBPA caves and agrees to a stupidly low CBT tax line again,. Since it was first instituted, if it kept pace with MLB revenue increases, it would be over $300M at the lowest tax level. So IMO if it does not end up at least 240/260/280, it is ridiculous. Again, no one is forcing any team to spend at those levels if they don't want and spending money backfires a big chunk of the time, so all the players are asking for is to let the owners who want to spend more do it, 280 is still pretty high and you can make the taxes over that huge. If any owners don't think that is fair to their market and their team's revenues, sell the team because I am quite certain someone will be happy to buy it.
 

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Shouldn't they get a good night's sleep and come back tomorrow?

Is making a billion dollar deal at 1AM sensical?
 

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Shouldn't they get a good night's sleep and come back tomorrow?

Is making a billion dollar deal at 1AM sensical?
I'd rather they plow through than give any key player on either side sleep on it and come back with deal-breakers
 

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I will just do a mind trick. The best team(s) will always be the ones that prevailed over a full season.

Then there’s the gimmick thing where the hottest team wins a short tournament.

If you think about it, it’s kind of always been that way.
 

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MLBN is live currently, Tom Verducci reporting from the negotiations and Joel Sherman and Brian Kenny in the studio, 2 AM EST.
 

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Reconvening at 11 AM EST, 5 PM MLB-set deadline for canceling games, so a six hour negotiating window.
 

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This is way more progress than I imagine any outsider expected tonight. Actual reasonable chance a deal gets done?
 

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I would put it at ~90% that a deal gets done because the union gave up their biggest chip. Good news about increasing CBT levels, it leaves us room for Correa. Has anything been finalized about draft-pick penalties? If these are gone then there's no way we don't go hard for Correa.
 

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Ah, from the prior reporting, I thought they meant $230M in 2022 and going up from there to maybe $250M in 2026, which would maybe be barely acceptable, but those above numbers are still way too low. I will give the chances of a deal today by 5 PM 50/50, and it will take the owners moving more than the players.
 

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That last proposal from MLB on the luxury tax is ridiculously bad. Either the MLBPA gets screwed (again) or we have no baseball this year is what it looks like.
 

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They’ve gotten this far, there will be baseball. If they are diving deep into topics like shifts, I’d love for them to discuss trading draft picks and having an international draft but whatever.
Just hit the ball the other way, no need for rules on the shift.
 

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Yes, Loumer. That’s the reason. It’s not because a conscious decision has been made to emphasize launch angle, exit velocity, and making money since chicks dog the longball.” It’s because these players aren’t skilled enough to shorten their swing.
 

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It takes work to learn how to hit the ball the other way but it’s not rocket science. It’s a no- glory craft that leads to winning games. Anything on the outer half is oppo-eligible. Hell jeter would hit inside pitches to RF.
Lame excuse by Merloni who I generally like.
 

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Yes, Loumer. That’s the reason. It’s not because a conscious decision has been made to emphasize launch angle, exit velocity, and making money since chicks dog the longball.” It’s because these players aren’t skilled enough to shorten their swing.
Well, he's kinda sorta right. It is difficult to consciously hit the other way IF (big if) the pitcher is trying to induce you to hit into the shift by pitching inside. Problem is, pitchers aren't perfect and will make mistakes on the outside half of the plate. And those pitches can be hit the other way to beat the shift. Those are the pitches that many hitters lay off because they're not pitches they can drive, or they still try to pull them and roll over weak grounders to the right side. It's part and parcel of the same mentality that has led to more Ks rather than hitters choking up and protecting the plate with two strikes. It can be corrected if hitters change their approach.
 

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Sorry if I have missed it but has there been any talk of making the wild card best of 3? I’d be “ok” with 12 teams if the division winners get a bye and the remaining 4 wild cards have a mini round.
 
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