I agree with the larger point that great qbs can and do occasionally win with very limited teams (Colts/Luck come to mind) but that’s a SOSH quality straw man
. I’m still optimistic but even I don’t think Mac has that kind of ceiling and needs help.
I’ve been highly critical of his supporting cast, but the standard is not perfect coaching and teammates. How about some O coaches who’ve ever done the job in the lives? How about a line that’s not an atrocity? He was getting killed at the beginning of the season.
I don’t questions the IQ or work ethic of Judge/Patricia, and the skill positions have not been the problem so I think they can stop being the gang that couldn’t shoot straight if they can get on the same page during the bye.
Here's my thing... he was getting killed in part because he struggled to ID pressure, made poor decisions and he bailed on good pockets, the line was better early year than the last couple weeks, they weren't great, but most places that grade line play had them solidly in the mediocre tier not the bad tier before Mac got hurt.
And yeah the coaches are inexperienced, and not great, but they aren't just bumbling incompetents, they drew up plays to win the games he missed (yes bad defenses), they drew up decent plays in a lot of games he did play (We've gone through quite a few plays in this thread and others where Mac just misses or chooses not to throw an open ball that is schemed for him).
Beyond that, we were also mostly talking about late last year. The perfect comment came out of an assessment of the Colts game where somehow a 1st half that was 3 horrific drives and a terrible pick wasn't really his fault because of 1 drop and one 5 yard penalty across 2 separate drives. That kind of minor failure by teammates is expected and an NFL starter has to overcome that.
And it's not really about "great" QBs with limited teams, it's good QBs with mediocre teams. There are 4 levels of QBs to me in the NFL:
1. Great QBs who can turn mediocre teams into real contenders (look for and keep at all costs)
2. Good starters... QBs who can turn mediocre teams into semi-contenders, and above average teams into real contenders, you keep these guys until you can get #1 (or they want too much money)
3. Fringe starters... don't actively screw anything up too much, but don't elevate anything either, these are guys you keep until you find a real QB
4. Garbage... guys who make the team worse, these guys don't elevate and make too many mistakes that kill you, if these guys are in their 1st year or two you give them another, but you're already thinking about moving on.
Mac last year was in category 3, but he was a rookie so there was hope he'd move up to category 2, maybe higher. This year he's flirting with the line between 3 and 4, the team as a whole is worse (mostly line and losing McDaniels) but he's also making more really bad mistakes on top of that.
The thing about Mac isn't that he's terrible, it's more that there aren't really any indications of a category 2 guy so far, and the minor to moderate adversity he faces isn't out of the ordinary for the NFL. Our line isn't the worst in the league, when healthy it probably isn't even close. Our playcalling isn't great, but it's not horrific. The passcatching talent is middle of the pack, he has good RBs, there are worse situations around the league, and most of the QBs there are putting up better results than Mac.