They really aren't dissimilar. Both are human beings who did the same sorts of things in the same places.Could have compared him to Greg McElroy
They really aren't dissimilar. Both are human beings who did the same sorts of things in the same places.Could have compared him to Greg McElroy
Yeah, that was lazy. Seems like more of an AJ McCarron to me.Could have compared him to Greg McElroy
2019: Metcalf went in the 2nd round. BB wasn't the only team to whiff on that -- in fact, every team, including the Seahawks whiffed on him. Clearly, since he was the 8th WR taken in that draft he wasn't universally ranked as a top 3 WR by NFL front offices. He also grabbed Harris in the 3rd who looks to be a kepper.This is disingenuous. You know that this isnt the only reason that the, "in BB we trust" faith is wobbling. At least in regards to the draft.
His success in the draft as of late has been questionable. This pick is huge for the franchise. Of course nobody knows the future, but you dont have to dig very deep on this forum to see even the majority of us laymen folk thought Fields was a superior option.
This isnt the first time BB has bucked standard thinking in the first few rounds.
2019 - DK Metcalf was almost universally ranked as a top 3 WR. We got N'keal Harry in the first instead.
2018 - Drafted Nick Chubbs backup.
2017 - Derek Rivers was our top pick. Know who went within 15 picks after him? Chris Godwin. Kenny Golladay. Shaquill Griffin. Kareem Hunt. John Johnson. Jonnu Smith.
We dont even need to dig into some of the crazy "Ras-I Dowling" type reaches.
I understand that the draft isnt perfect. And I've been willing to shrug it off. But, yes, when you can take a QB that is universally considered a better prospect by large portions of really smart people? And you take someone almost EVERYONE is down on? After the Patriots recent drafting history?
Yes. Make or break time.
Belichick: "When you're at 15, you're at 15. Somebody's gotta be at 14. Somebody's gotta be at 13."
I put zero stock in that. Those guys know why they're being asked that question and they're helping out their teammate. Tua is already on a team, Jones is being evaluated for the draft. Easy to know how to answer that.Surprised Waddle and Smith were both so definitive picking Mac over Tua, players usually usually play it a little closer to the vest.
We have a little more info on Tua than Mac, but I wouldn't trade Mac for Tua right now if given the chance.
I didn’t even know who that was until he made that comparison. These bust takes might be right but again, same guys I see being pessimistic in Sox threads seem to think this pick is shit. Seems to be a patternCould have compared him to Greg McElroy
Holy shit I'm ready to run through a brick wall.View: https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/1387988267149180931
Belichick: "When you're at 15, you're at 15. Somebody's gotta be at 14. Somebody's gotta be at 13."
PhenomenalView: https://youtu.be/ylJnls87DAo
here is a live steam (and eventual recoding) of Bills press conference
View: https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/1387988267149180931
Whenever I see those types of questions, whether one is being drafted or not, almost invariably players give some generic canned answer that they're both great players, any team is lucky to have them, yada yada.I put zero stock in that. Those guys know why they're being asked that question and they're helping out their teammate. Tua is already on a team, Jones is being evaluated for the draft. Easy to know how to answer that.
This was a great post and thank you for it.The thing with any fairly-immobile pocket-passer is you have limitations.
I'm all for starting new threads but I think we have too much of an overlap with the other Mac Jones thread, no?We're all down on drafting Mac Jones, rightfully so, but pundits galore think it's a great pick at that spot given our needs.
Tell me why Mac Jones is a great addition to this team. I want to believe. I mean that, I'm a sucker for it.
I like that he's a 1st round bust because the boilerplate athlete-speak didn't fill in your bingo card. Sports Mad Libs are probably not a leading indicator of his skills or future successes or failures, though.I think just more about coming in to compete, as opposed to the stuff about taking notes and learning from his mentors, Cam and Stidham.
Let's try "Doesn't really matter" next.
Also, Tua was already drafted by the Dolphins at 5 and a millionaire while Mac Jones was still a potential second round pick when these questions were asked.Surprised Waddle and Smith were both so definitive picking Mac over Tua, players usually usually play it a little closer to the vest.
We have a little more info on Tua than Mac, but I wouldn't trade Mac for Tua right now if given the chance.
Maybe in typical BB style, he doesn’t seem all that excited about this section. But then again, he doesn’t usually seem that excited about anything.Phenomenal
Paul Brown and Lawrence Taylor are the two subjects that seem to juice him up.But then again, he doesn’t usually seem that excited about anything.
I'd quibble with "all". I wanted Fields or Lance, but it appears BB didn't want Fields (Kyed said he got the info that BB had soured on Fields about a week ago--unsure why he couldn't report that, unless it would burn his source) and Lance was never really an option once the Niners decided on him. I don't have much problem with Jones at #15 and it appears the Pats didn't either.We're all down on drafting Mac Jones, rightfully so, but pundits galore think it's a great pick at that spot given our needs.
Right. Because that's what I said. That he's a bust. I even said it "doesn't really matter." Take a breath.I like that he's a 1st round bust because the boilerplate athlete-speak didn't fill in your bingo card. Sports Mad Libs are probably not a leading indicator of his skills or future successes or failures, though.
I think it has detachable sleeves.Am I the only one thrown off by Bill in a suit? Soooooo weird. Parallel universe shit
This is pretty much my thought process right now. I know there's a good amount of consternation around on this but most people think this is a 5 QB draft, three of those were completely inaccessible to New England (Jax and Jets weren't trading out and SF traded in with a huge price). Fields did fall to a point, but from what we know, the teams that traded out either weren't willing to trade particularly far down (Dallas), got a lot for the trade up (NYG), and/or New England wasn't interested in trading up for Fields. Jones' skillset does make sense here. The more I read on his strengths and weaknesses, the more he really does seem to make sense in the type of system that the Patriots ran successfully for the past decade and change. Brady or most of his fill ins weren't necessarily asked to be a super accurate deep passer or to use designed run plays outside of a sneak or make big throws on the run, they were asked to make a lot of plays consistently well while standing upright and make reads quickly. It seems like people think he can do this or have a shot at it. I definitely get why people were pumped about Fields and I am sure much of Jones' career here will be with a side-glance on how Fields is developing in Chicago, but I'm excited for this one.I'd quibble with "all". I wanted Fields or Lance, but it appears BB didn't want Fields (Kyed said he got the info that BB had soured on Fields about a week ago--unsure why he couldn't report that, unless it would burn his source) and Lance was never really an option once the Niners decided on him. I don't have much problem with Jones at #15 and it appears the Pats didn't either.
I will be interested to see how they design an offense with Cam and Mac (whoa, Cam backwards is Mac) as their styles are pretty different.
They were limited too. Saying someone is limited in an area doesn't mean they don't have the requirements for success it just means they have a traditional limitation that other guys who had success had. The game is getting more mobile. 27% of passes are not thrown out of structure vs Mac Jones, for example, throwing 17%. Can he create when things aren't perfect? That is a bigger part of the game now. Mac can still succeed but he can't win in some of the ways the 4 guys drafted above him can. Whether or not that matters to you or to his success and to what degree is all debatable of course.This was a great post and thank you for it.
I do take issue with the above quote though....Historically your top QB's have been the fairly immobile pocket passer, and while we are seeing an increase in the escapability in the newer crop of QB's, it is by no means a requirement for success.
I personally am far more concerned at potential issues throwing outside the numbers.
An athletic QB could play here if he had the timing and anticipation skills needed. Lance would have been a great fit for example and ran a lot similar concepts to the Pats including Hoss at NDSU for example.Watching the deep highlights of Mac, the two systems are so similar it's hard to imagine he'd struggle under Josh. He has all the things needed to thrive in New England, accuracy, quick release, strong short and intermediate throws, pocket awareness, and a head on his shoulders.
I know a lot of fans wanted to finally transition to the athletic QB mold that's taken off over the past 10 years. Not sure it works with this system. Does that mean the system needs to change? Maybe, but not for the foreseeable future, unless this kid is a bust.
Here is an example: On a slant if you hit me slightly behind and it is catchable it is accurate but your ball placement is off because you want to throw it a little ahead of me so I don't have to adjust to it.Can someone explain the difference between “accuracy” and “ball placement”. I’ve read here that he’s good at the former, and bad at the latter. I don’t know how the two differ.
Do you throw the slant low to the inside to keep it away from defenders? If a defender is outside shoulder on a seam route, so you drop the ball inside shoulder? Not just hitting numbers, but hitting the right body part for the throw.Can someone explain the difference between “accuracy” and “ball placement”. I’ve read here that he’s good at the former, and bad at the latter. I don’t know how the two differ.
I think that is well summarized.This is pretty much my thought process right now. I know there's a good amount of consternation around on this but most people think this is a 5 QB draft, three of those were completely inaccessible to New England (Jax and Jets weren't trading out and SF traded in with a huge price). Fields did fall to a point, but from what we know, the teams that traded out either weren't willing to trade particularly far down (Dallas), got a lot for the trade up (NYG), and/or New England wasn't interested in trading up for Fields. Jones' skillset does make sense here. The more I read on his strengths and weaknesses, the more he really does seem to make sense in the type of system that the Patriots ran successfully for the past decade and change. Brady or most of his fill ins weren't necessarily asked to be a super accurate deep passer or to use designed run plays outside of a sneak or make big throws on the run, they were asked to make a lot of plays consistently well while standing upright and make reads quickly. It seems like people think he can do this or have a shot at it. I definitely get why people were pumped about Fields and I am sure much of Jones' career here will be with a side-glance on how Fields is developing in Chicago, but I'm excited for this one.
Granted, I think some people (not here necessarily) are comparing him to Brady and that's really not fair to any QB ever. If you get a decent NFL starter as the 5th QB and 15th overall pick that's a pretty big win. Like, Sportingnews did a ranking of every first round QB since 2000. I think the writer is insufficiently reviewing new QBs (like Herbert should be higher than EJ Manuel if he retired today, nevermind on potential), but the overall viewpoint makes it pretty clear to me that getting a long-term, good starter is in the top 40% or so of results. Just have to hope that Belichick is right on this one.
Especially that part at about 1:20 or so, when he finishes talking about rookie camps and then appears to, momentarily, die.Holy shit I'm ready to run through a brick wall.