That’s funny. I always appreciate guys who can make light of things like that. Still love the Mo Rivera hat tip to the Fenway crowd in ‘05...Dee Ford lining up as basically a running back in the pro bowl and getting flagged for it again cracked me up. You know how to get a great jump? Lineup in the neutral zone or offsides. Or follow Stork’s headbob. That too.
Why isn't there a poster named Ryan Stork's Head Bob?Dee Ford lining up as basically a running back in the pro bowl and getting flagged for it again cracked me up. You know how to get a great jump? Lineup in the neutral zone or offsides. Or follow Stork’s headbob. That too.
And one was after the BS call on the field goal. The other was when BB kicked off in OT by choiceI mean in the last 8 years they're only 14-2 against the Jets. The Jets two wins were in OT as well. Kryptonite may not be the best choice.
Was that then they got flagged for jumping over the center?And one was after the BS call on the field goal. The other was when BB kicked off in OT by choice
No, I think it was for engaging the center?Was that then they got flagged for jumping over the center?
I completely forgot about when BB kicked. That was a real hoot.
Game in Seattle in 2012 wasn't a "big game". XLVI was kind of a big game.Yep, I remember that now. It wasn't jumping over, which they got called or later (was it Collins?) who didn't make contact? But the pushing thing. Was that ever called again?
All this goes to show you is THE PATS GET ALL THE CALLS.
Just like when Brady got called for grounding twice on calls no one has ever been called for grounding on, in pretty big games if I remember.
I was thinking about the grounding calls Sunday night. There was one play where Goff was about to be hit in the end zone and he threw the ball way out of bounds; no call. The two calls against Brady were correct by the rule, but I do think Goff could have been penalized there under the same standard.Yep, I remember that now. It wasn't jumping over, which they got called or later (was it Collins?) who didn't make contact? But the pushing thing. Was that ever called again?
All this goes to show you is THE PATS GET ALL THE CALLS.
Just like when Brady got called for grounding twice on calls no one has ever been called for grounding on, in pretty big games if I remember.
There was a receiver right there though. The ref pointed to him right awayI was thinking about the grounding calls Sunday night. There was one play where Goff was about to be hit in the end zone and he threw the ball way out of bounds; no call. The two calls against Brady were correct by the rule, but I do think Goff could have been penalized there under the same standard.
Disagree, that game launched one of the biggest Internet meme's with U Mad Bro?Game in Seattle in 2012 wasn't a "big game". XLVI was kind of a big game.
KurtTheJetsFan is holding onto the memory of the 2010 playoff win vs the Patriots like grim death, that's all he's got.I mean in the last 8 years they're only 14-2 against the Jets. The Jets two wins were in OT as well. Kryptonite may not be the best choice.
Disagree, that game launched one of the biggest Internet meme's with U Mad Bro?
Does anyone have a video of that throw? i can't find it after looking but I can't remember any other QB ever getting called for throwing it out of the back of the end zone.
The second Giants Super Bowl one was definitely letter of the law but I still can't believe they called it.
This is great stuff...
this exchange:
and the Rev-esque reply:
The thing he doesn't get is, that by his logic the Patriots are evil, right? So essentially, they are starting as "Bizarro", and green kryptonite help Bill Beli... er, Bizarro.The Jets are BB's kryptonite? The Pats with BB at the helm and TB at QB are 28-8 lifetime against the Jets (including playoffs). That's a .778 winning percentage.
BB/TB overall (including playoffs): 237-70 (.772)
BB/TB vs. Jets (including playoffs): 28-8 (.778)
BB/TB vs. all others (including playoffs): 209-62 (.771)
So BB/TB are actually BETTER against the Jets than against the rest of the field. Kryptonite? hahahahaha
Is there really a ten-second runoff in that situation? I thought that was only when the clock would have kept running without the flag.The Patriots sooooo outplayed Seattle in that game. Two major items really cost them:
1. The grounding penalty. Technically correct I guess. But I've never before or since seen that call made. Cost them three points.
Grounding is to avoid a sack which would have run the clock... so yesIs there really a ten-second runoff in that situation? I thought that was only when the clock would have kept running without the flag.
Ah, right. Makes sense.Grounding is to avoid a sack which would have run the clock... so yes
It's 24-21 now, As long as they dont have some sort of Tyree miracle catch we should be fine.Oh no. It’s 24-14 headed to the 4th and the Seahawks are killing us on NFLN. I can’t see a way we escape this one.
And on the most recent one Santonio Holmes' right foot wasn't down.Do the same Steelers fans who think Patriots titles are illegitimate because the opponents made mistakes (a thing that happens in every football game ever) also complain that one of their own 6 was aided by the worst Super Bowl officiating of the era?
Yeah, because of the refs.“Hard to give a shit when the two best teams in the NFL - PIT and NO - were both fucked outta here by the refs”
Wait what? PIT didn’t make the damn playoffs dood
The Saints c-h-o-k-e-d.“Hard to give a shit when the two best teams in the NFL - PIT and NO - were both fucked outta here by the refs”
Wait what? PIT didn’t make the damn playoffs dood
Welcome to the US of A.Yep. What explains such "thinking"? Is it just blind hate? Does blind hate and jealousy really alter one's ability to think rationally so much that people say what are clearly objectively untrue and outrageous things? I'm trying to get a handle on the psychology.
I can't even think about that game rationally. That decision and the Butler benching are literally the only two decisions that BB has made in 20 years that have literally left me hating him for a period of time. That's hard to do. Any other coach, no matter how good, over 20 years, I'd probably hate them thousands of times.And one was after the BS call on the field goal. The other was when BB kicked off in OT by choice
I will always hate him for passing up a ~50 yard field goal in XLII for a 4th and 13, as well as the gameplan in the season finale in Miami in 2015.I can't even think about that game rationally. That decision and the Butler benching are literally the only two decisions that BB has made in 20 years that have literally left me hating him for a period of time. That's hard to do. Any other coach, no matter how good, over 20 years, I'd probably hate them thousands of times.
The Patriots win that game (or any of the other 3 they lost in the last 6 weeks of 2015), they get home field advantage in the playoffs. Both them and Denver finished tied at 12-4, but because Denver beat them (in Denver), they had to go back to Denver for the AFCCG and they lost 20-18, and then Denver wins the SB against Carolina 24-10.
I'll never forget the folks who argued that it was an ok decision to kickoff. Until I die, I will never, EVER concede that there is a situation where it makes sense to kick off unless you have literally the greatest defense in the history of the game, and an offense the needs all the help it can get with field position (or equally as rare, you have like 50mph winds blowing in from one direction, making it almost impossible to move the ball). When you have Tom Brady at QB, that is never, ever going to be the case, so you take the ball, you go down the field and you score, just like Brady has done all 3 times he's received the opening kick in overtime in the playoffs. God, that decision makes me insane. If they take the ball there, and go down and score, the Pats win that game, get home field, beat Manning in Foxboro like they always did and then they spank Carolina.
Chris Collinsworth tried really hard to ruin that Super Bowl. My God is he insufferable. Final two minutes of a close Super Bowl and he feels the need to talk about Ted Wells. Laughing with glee at the Kearse catch. Multiple Tyree references. Takes him 7 or 8 replays of Butler's pick to give him any credit for making the play.It's 24-21 now, As long as they dont have some sort of Tyree miracle catch we should be fine.
Can Flores please cut Amendola?
"It's a deep hatred. Respect them, respect (Bill) Belichick, what he's doing. I respect Tom Brady, what a run they've had...so I do respect that. There is a deep hatred there."
It doesn't even make any sense why he would hate the Patriots, other than they thoroughly kicked his ass every time they lined up. But his Colts weren't even competitive with the Pats. He should hate Bruce Arians for being a better coach.Chuck Pagano has a deep hatred for the Patriots.
https://sports.yahoo.com/chuck-pagano-deep-hatred-patriots-221207573.html
That's some fine editing.Pagano continues to play the hits to Bears fans - even if this was way before he was in the conversation for the DC job - because without the Patriots on the schedule in 2019, that would mean the two are facing off in Super Bowl LIIII in Miami.
In fairness, the editor was Greek.I love how the Indy Star identifies the next Super Bowl:
That's some fine editing.
The only logical way to improve this dynasty would be to cap off a 19-0 for real in Miami. I promise to be satisfied then...Fuck next year's Super Bowl is in Miami? FUCK
Hello!I can't even think about that game rationally. That decision and the Butler benching are literally the only two decisions that BB has made in 20 years that have literally left me hating him for a period of time. That's hard to do. Any other coach, no matter how good, over 20 years, I'd probably hate them thousands of times.
The Patriots win that game (or any of the other 3 they lost in the last 6 weeks of 2015), they get home field advantage in the playoffs. Both them and Denver finished tied at 12-4, but because Denver beat them (in Denver), they had to go back to Denver for the AFCCG and they lost 20-18, and then Denver wins the SB against Carolina 24-10.
I'll never forget the folks who argued that it was an ok decision to kickoff. Until I die, I will never, EVER concede that there is a situation where it makes sense to kick off unless you have literally the greatest defense in the history of the game, and an offense the needs all the help it can get with field position (or equally as rare, you have like 50mph winds blowing in from one direction, making it almost impossible to move the ball). When you have Tom Brady at QB, that is never, ever going to be the case, so you take the ball, you go down the field and you score, just like Brady has done all 3 times he's received the opening kick in overtime in the playoffs. God, that decision makes me insane. If they take the ball there, and go down and score, the Pats win that game, get home field, beat Manning in Foxboro like they always did and then they spank Carolina.
There was something right before the Atlanta Super Bowl, I think Bomani Jones said it but it may have been someone else, that brought up how the Patriots were the team for white people; with the line I believe being "The Patriots have wide receivers named Julian and Danny, the Falcons of receivers named Julio and Mohammed."Not sure if this is the right thread for this (or Celebrating What Is, or P&G even), but I stumbled across this while digging a bunch of awesome post-Super Bowl videos on YouTube.
The question of the racial makeup of the Patriots. Is it a real thing? Is it a real issue? I don't want to make something out of nothing, if nothing is indeed there. But when a national broadcast is discussing it, does that mean there's any merit to this?
Whitlock (the host) talks about how for years the Pats have been well below the league average in terms of black players. It is apparent that he sees that as a problem. (I mean in any sample, it will likely look like a bell curve and SOMEONE is going to be on the lower end of any sample.) But if the Patriots just win win win win win, WHY is it a problem? I guess I admit to being a little naive here. What is going on with this? Is this just more whining because they keep winning? Is this something that the Patriots actually should care about?
I honestly think this is the first time I ever knew the Pats deferred in that game. I was there, so we don't usually know who wins the coin toss and who loses. We just see the refs put the players on their end and motion who is receiving, and we probably just assumed the Pats lost the toss. Given that it went a few more possessions, seems like it wasn't as big of a story.
What is interesting is that the offense really didn't have any white skill position players up until 2007. It was Troy Brown, Antowain Smith, Kevin Faulk, Corey Dillon, Deion Branch, David Givens, Dan Graham, Ben Watson, etc. On D they did have some white standouts in Bruschi and Vrabel.Yeah the race thing is a scorching-hot take. I would guess if you actually dug into the numbers that the real difference between the Patriots and other teams is completely insignificant and—because of the relatively small numbers we're talking about—easily skewed by having at least two white WRs on the roster in many years, and are generally a team that maintains a lot of continuity. Not that these guys are even basing their arguments on the actual numbers.
More than the specific numbers, though, is that it's utterly laughable to think that Bill Belichick would prefer a white player over a black player even if the latter gave him a better chance of winning.
They kicked off to near-peak Peyton Manning in OT by choice - and won. So I can see why he would do it again against a far worse QB.I honestly think this is the first time I ever knew the Pats deferred in that game. I was there, so we don't usually know who wins the coin toss and who loses. We just see the refs put the players on their end and motion who is receiving, and we probably just assumed the Pats lost the toss. Given that it went a few more possessions, seems like it wasn't as big of a story.
That said, I did say wind was potentially one of the rare exceptions where it would make sense. I can't remember just how bad the wind was that day, but I know there have been some games in the new stadium where you literally couldn't throw the ball into the teeth of it, never mind kick into it. I still hate the decision 99 times out of a 100, and in that Jets game, there was no wind argument that I can remember. It was just a bad, bad decision.
Isn't it potentially evidence of the opposite? I feel like there was a thing a while back about how unusual it was to have white WR's, or maybe it was RB's? The idea was that GM's/coaches were biased against really skilled players who were white. Not in a major "I hate white people" way" but in a subconsciously racist way that assumed that black players were more "athletic" (same logic that led them to think that white QB's were better/smarter/whatever). BB is always looking for the market inefficiency, trying to acquire undervalued assets. So, BB was acquiring ever-so-slightly undervalued players who were undervalued because they were white.Yeah the race thing is a scorching-hot take. I would guess if you actually dug into the numbers that the real difference between the Patriots and other teams is completely insignificant and—because of the relatively small numbers we're talking about—easily skewed by having at least two white WRs on the roster in many years, and are generally a team that maintains a lot of continuity. Not that these guys are even basing their arguments on the actual numbers.
More than the specific numbers, though, is that it's utterly laughable to think that Bill Belichick would prefer a white player over a black player even if the latter gave him a better chance of winning.
No, no, no. I won't let anyone do it. There was no reasonable explanation as to why they did it in that Jets game, with the #1 seed on the line. BB said the reason he did in 2013 was because of the wind. That wasn't the case in 2015. And let's not act like Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Jets were some crap team that we were beating up over and over again. Fitzpatrick threw for almost 600 yards, 5td's/0ints against us in 2 games that year, including 296/3td's in the game we kicked off (he had 74 yards and a td, and the Jets scored in 6 plays in overtime). We couldn't stop him that year, and every time we played the Jets during those years, it was a nailbiter. From 2013-2015, these were the scores of their games:They kicked off to near-peak Peyton Manning in OT by choice - and won. So I can see why he would do it again against a far worse QB.
I honestly don't know how you got to your post from this clip. They were asking the question, yes, but not one of them concluded that at all. None of them criticized the Patriots for being underrepresented, either. In the openning, he mentioned they have 66% representation which is slightly lower than the 70% league average, but that the "blackest" team he can think of turned out to have 64%. Concluded that the Pats only look like they're a "white" team because a few of their highest profile players happen to be white. They all concluded that people hate the Pats because they win.Not sure if this is the right thread for this (or Celebrating What Is, or P&G even), but I stumbled across this while digging a bunch of awesome post-Super Bowl videos on YouTube.
The question of the racial makeup of the Patriots. Is it a real thing? Is it a real issue? I don't want to make something out of nothing, if nothing is indeed there. But when a national broadcast is discussing it, does that mean there's any merit to this?
Whitlock (the host) talks about how for years the Pats have been well below the league average in terms of black players. It is apparent that he sees that as a problem. (I mean in any sample, it will likely look like a bell curve and SOMEONE is going to be on the lower end of any sample.) But if the Patriots just win win win win win, WHY is it a problem? I guess I admit to being a little naive here. What is going on with this? Is this just more whining because they keep winning? Is this something that the Patriots actually should care about?