The Really Early Question About Stephen Wright Post E-Rod Return

TheoShmeo

Skrub's sympathy case
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 19, 2005
12,890
Boston, NY
OK, I know it's only one start and one turn through the rotation. SSS galore. I know Wright is a knuckleballer and is therefore naturally a little more trick or treat than many starters.

But this question has been on my mind for a while and was only a tiny bit reinforced by the first 5 games.

None of starters 2-4 (sans Eduardo) should fill us with confidence. Or a lot of confidence.

Clay has the highest ceiling and obviously has been ace like at times. But he is prone to bad skids and even in the best of times, often breaks down. Maybe it's his slight frame, maybe it's a lack of conditioning, maybe it's genetic and maybe it's a combination. But the most likely 2 is really a roll of the dice long term, in my view.

Kelly looked great at the end of last season but he's another guy who has a lot of trouble staying effective and healthy for an entire season. Does anyone really expect that in 2016? I do not. Hope, yes, but that's all.

Porcello is what he is. A mediocre to maybe good pitcher who got way overpaid by Cherington, and is probably at best a 4 type starter. He also finished last season strong and unlike Buck and Kelly, has been pretty durable over his career. But Saturday's outing was not unusual. Putting your team in a hole is no way to achieve success, at least not consistently. I think the best we can reasonably hope for is 3-5 runs per game over 6-7 innings, or something like that. Hell, I would take that deal.

That brings me to Wright. He was serviceable last year and gave them some good starts. He, like Wake, might take opposing hitters out of their usual approach and provide an advantage to whoever follows him if the opponent is the same in the next game. I have some hope that he might be a good 4-5 on this team, even while I know that his long term record is somewhat wanting.

But if Sox had to win a game and neither Price or Rodriguez were available, I'd tab be inclined to tab Wright. Caveat: facts on the ground at the time could change that...this is really more of a prediction than what anyone could say about the future.

As a result, assuming he continues to pitch reasonably well, I think the Sox would be well served to at least consider keeping him in the rotation rather than automatically shifting him to the pen or AAA when E-Rod returns.

Two things.

One, yes, injury often has a way of taking care of these things. The 2004 rotation was an extreme outlier. And with this particular mix of pitchers, it would be of no surprise if that's how the Wright issue got resolved. No one would be shocked if Wright plus someone now in Pawtucket end up in the rotation

Two, again, I know, one turn is the very definition of the smallest of samples. I know it's a time honored tradition here, for good reason, to be keenly aware of that factor. But Like many, I have been down on the remaining starters and concerned that this would be a fatal flaw for the 2016 Sox for weeks if not months, so this is substantially more of a reaction to that and the hope that Wright may be a partial solution than anything else. Yesterday was a nod your head moment for me, not an AHA moment.
 

grimshaw

Member
SoSH Member
May 16, 2007
4,234
Portland
One thing I liked about Wakefield, and what Wright has shown early in his career, is that the opposition doesn't really matter.
They could get lambasted against a team with the worst team OPS in the league, and/or shut down a team like the Jays and go deep into games.
The knuckler can't really get overexposed.

He isn't exciting, but if keeps tossing 6-7 innings and keeping them in games while saving the pen, that's pretty nice for a back end guy.
 

FanSinceBoggs

seantwo
SoSH Member
Jan 12, 2009
937
New York
I would think (and hope) that all four starting pitchers are competing to remain in the rotation when Rodriguez returns. I like how the Red Sox are basing things on merit rather than contract (playing Shaw over Sandoval; playing Holt over Castillo) and I hope that continues with the starting staff. If Wright has a few more solid starts, then, yes, he must remain in the starting rotation. In that scenario, either Buchholz, Kelly, or Porcello gets demoted to the bullpen, depending on which one can't get his act together.
 

ALiveH

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 23, 2010
1,104
I feel very good about Wright being our 4th, 5th or swing starter / long relief guy. If he ends up being our 2nd or 3rd best starter though that means this team is in trouble.
 

Buzzkill Pauley

Member
SoSH Member
Jun 30, 2006
10,569
I feel very good about Wright being our 4th, 5th or swing starter / long relief guy. If he ends up being our 2nd or 3rd best starter though that means this team is in trouble.
The 2002 Sox won 93 games with Wakefield as the #3.

I would be perfectly fine with a rotation that's got Price-Wright-Rodriguez as the 1-3, if that's what performance merits. It's gut-wrenching to watch a power hitter like Donaldson swing through the knuckleball instead of dominant heat thrown with pinpoint control, but if it works, it works.
 

tims4wins

PN23's replacement
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
37,750
Hingham, MA
So the flip side of this question is: which out of Buch, Kelly, Porcello, and E-Rod are most suited to the pen? Seems like consensus is that Kelly's stuff would play best in the pen, and I'd probably have to agree.
 

EllisTheRimMan

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 6, 2007
4,560
Csmbridge
Does anyone know if Wakefield has some official Sox role as a coach for Wright? The Sox would be foolish not to do this. I remember hearing that when Wake struggled early in his career after bursting onto the scene with the Pirates he credited Phil Neikro for helping him right the ship. Something along the lines of the best/only pitching coach for a knuckleballer is another knuckleballer who's had MLB success.
 

wade boggs chicken dinner

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 26, 2005
30,866
So the flip side of this question is: which out of Buch, Kelly, Porcello, and E-Rod are most suited to the pen? Seems like consensus is that Kelly's stuff would play best in the pen, and I'd probably have to agree.
I posted this in the Kelly thread but given that CB, Porcello, and Kelly are prone to implosions, Wright could have tremendous value being the guy who could go twice a week from innings 3-4 to 6 (and beyond).
 

joe dokes

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
30,614
I feel very good about Wright being our 4th, 5th or swing starter / long relief guy. If he ends up being our 2nd or 3rd best starter though that means this team is in trouble.
I know what you ultimately mean, but if Wright is the team's second best starter at 12-5, 3.25, around the ASB, why would that be a problem? If Buchholz, Rodriguez, Porcello or Kelly is the second best starter with a sub-500 record and an ERA approaching 5, *then* the team is in trouble.
 

Sprowl

mikey lowell of the sandbox
Dope
SoSH Member
Jun 27, 2006
34,677
Haiku
As a result, assuming he continues to pitch reasonably well, I think the Sox would be well served to at least consider keeping him in the rotation rather than automatically shifting him to the pen or AAA when E-Rod returns.
Isn't Wright out of options? He's either at Fenway to stay, or a free agent.
 

whatittakes

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 11, 2016
215
I don't think there's a reasonable chance Wright would clear waivers at this point. He looks like a promising and possibly durable lower-rotation guy with a bit of ceiling if he can put things together. His career line so far as a starter is something like 11 starts, an ERA of almost exactly 4, 5.5 IP a game, a WHIP of 1.23, and K/BB of over 2. Those are all very interesting numbers that suggest the possibility of value. I think that every team in baseball would like to have a pitcher like that to add either to the end of their rotation, or to their rotational depth

(Yes I am disregarding his numbers from the bullpen to reach those figures. I think that knuckleballers coming out of the bullpen have unique challenges that make their job harder, including but not limited to the fact that the catcher has caught conventional pitching all night and may have trouble "resetting" for catching the knuck).

Everything depends on what he's able to do over a long season, and after lineups have seen him more frequently. but a durable guy at the bottom of the rotation is a guy that teams find value in, we should be looking to bring guys like that onto the team at this point, not exposing the ones we have to waivers.

I think it's very likely that when we get Eddie back, the plan is to shift someone from the current rotation, into the pen. Probably Kelly at this point. I hadn't even considered that Wright may not have options and would be very very glad to have that reassurance that he'll be on the roster regardless of other concerns, as I think he's underrated at the moment.
 

Savin Hillbilly

loves the secret sauce
SoSH Member
Jul 10, 2007
18,783
The wrong side of the bridge....
I don't think there's a reasonable chance Wright would clear waivers at this point. He looks like a promising and possibly durable lower-rotation guy with a bit of ceiling if he can put things together. His career line so far as a starter is something like 11 starts, an ERA of almost exactly 4, 5.5 IP a game, a WHIP of 1.23, and K/BB of over 2. Those are all very interesting numbers that suggest the possibility of value. I think that every team in baseball would like to have a pitcher like that to add either to the end of their rotation, or to their rotational depth.
If I'm not mistaken, a team that claims a player on waivers has to immediately put that player on its 25-man roster (i.e., a player without options doesn't suddenly acquire options by being claimed on waivers). This means that "rotational depth" is not necessarily in play here. A team that claims Wright has to not only see value in him, but see so much value that they're willing to remove somebody else from their active roster (and, if their 40-man is full, from that as well) in order to pick him up. That would narrow the field a bit, I assume, though you may still be right that he wouldn't get through.
 

Red(s)HawksFan

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 23, 2009
20,963
Maine
If I'm not mistaken, a team that claims a player on waivers has to immediately put that player on its 25-man roster (i.e., a player without options doesn't suddenly acquire options by being claimed on waivers). This means that "rotational depth" is not necessarily in play here. A team that claims Wright has to not only see value in him, but see so much value that they're willing to remove somebody else from their active roster (and, if their 40-man is full, from that as well) in order to pick him up. That would narrow the field a bit, I assume, though you may still be right that he wouldn't get through.
I don't think there's a chance in hell the Red Sox even attempt to put Wright through waivers unless he completely shits the bed (in which case they might be hoping he gets claimed). However, if for some asinine reason they DFA him and try to slip him through to Pawtucket while he's a useful pitcher (and that's what he is), he will undoubtedly get claimed. He has to represent an upgrade over the #5 starter or the last reliever on somebody's staff somewhere in MLB. I'd bet half the league would have interest in a cheap guy who can eat innings.
 

whatittakes

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 11, 2016
215
I'd go through a list of the teams whose #5 starter is probably worse than Stephen Wright at this point in the young season, but I think it may read not unlike a list of all the teams in baseball. I know that the list of teams that need and want pitching depth at the big league level is pretty much exactly a list of all the teams in baseball.

Until that changes, I think you can go ahead and be 100% certain that if Wright were exposed to waivers, he would be claimed. I can't think of a single team in this league that would turn their nose up at him, and tthe list of teams who would turn up their noses even if they had to make room for him in their active rotation is likely to be mighty short. This is what I mean when I express my feeling that Wright may be underrated.

Simply because he was the last member of the rotation to claim a roster spot doesn't mean per se that he's our #5 starter, I think it's very possible for Wright to jump to the third spot on the overall depth chart this year if things fall right for him (and yes, by saying that I do know that I am saying he could leapfrog Buchholz and Porcello).

Or he could explode into nothingless, but I like to be optimistic.
 

phenweigh

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 8, 2005
1,379
Brewster, MA
(... I think that knuckleballers coming out of the bullpen have unique challenges that make their job harder, including but not limited to the fact that the catcher has caught conventional pitching all night and may have trouble "resetting" for catching the knuck).
If the catcher may have trouble "resetting" for the knuckler, I imagine it would be even tougher on the hitters. Pair that with the knuckler being a feel pitch, it would seem to be better to get that feel working more often. Those points make me think that a reliever is a better role for a knuckleball pitcher. The catch being you need to have both catchers that can deal with it. That is, unless the manager is willing to substitute catchers whenever a knuckleballer enter, and I don't think that's a great option.
 

shaggydog2000

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 5, 2007
11,616
Nice story about Wright sending a bottle of booze as a gift/apology to Colabello after beaning him yesterday.
Unfortunately, it did not specify what liquor it was. Now I am incapable of judging how good or bad MLB players' taste in alchohol is. Was this a single barrel bourbon or Sherry cask aged Islay Scotch? Or did he just spring for the biggest bottle of Fireball he could find? Or was he passing him the Courvoisier? Details make the story, buddy.
 

mauidano

Mai Tais for everyone!
SoSH Member
Aug 21, 2006
36,063
Maui
Unfortunately, it did not specify what liquor it was. Now I am incapable of judging how good or bad MLB players' taste in alchohol is. Was this a single barrel bourbon or Sherry cask aged Islay Scotch? Or did he just spring for the biggest bottle of Fireball he could find? Or was he passing him the Courvoisier? Details make the story, buddy.
It was expensive enough to have Collabello want to reach back out and say thanks via David Price. Great gestures all the way around.
 

whatittakes

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 11, 2016
215
Is this wrong?

Price
Buccholz
Rodriguez
Porcello
Kelly

Kimbrel
Uehara
Tazawa
Smith
Layne
Ross (or Barnes)
Wright
I don't see how you take Wright out of the rotation at the moment until his performance dips. 2 passes through the rotation the man's our best starter, at least technically. And even more interestingly, his peripherals are consistent with his performance -- high K's, low walks, a BABIP consistent with career norms, a WHIP of under 1.2, only FIP and xFIP really seems out of place which largely comes down to the fact that no one's taken him deep yet. So far he's shown the same improvement he seemed to show this Springtime.

I mean yeah, he's going to regress to the mean a bit, I expect him to finish with an ERA in the high 3's to low 4's with a lot of innings under his belt, but even that guy I'm expecting Wright to be, not sure you can take that out of the rotation. you certainly can't do it until teams start catching up with his mistakes. So far Wright hasn't really made any big ones.

I think the man who steps out of the rotation into the long role at the moment, is Kelly.
 
Last edited:

Ale Xander

Hamilton
SoSH Member
Oct 31, 2013
73,641
For a week or until he comes back I think you put in Joe Kelly in the Carson role supporting taz and ue. If Wright continues to well, you shift Kelly to jack of all Trades reliever and or try to move Barnes or Wright or Kelly for the right price
 

Todd Benzinger

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 23, 2001
4,400
So Ill
I will admit that I am bullish on Wright to begin with, but I can't see dropping him from the rotation when he's getting great results. Another decent reason for moving Kelly to the pen for a spell: Kelly doesn't seem to have pitched more than 130 innings in a season, so holding back his inning totals might help Kelly to be an effective starter later in the season, when someone else gets hurt or struggles mightily. And let's face it, at least one of those things will happen.
 

Rasputin

Will outlive SeanBerry
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Oct 4, 2001
29,515
Not here
Is this wrong?

Price
Buccholz
Rodriguez
Porcello
Kelly

Kimbrel
Uehara
Tazawa
Smith
Layne
Ross (or Barnes)
Wright
This is perfectly reasonable. I think at this point I'd prefer Kelly in the bullpen and Wright in the rotation, and I definitely want a better lefty than Ross in the bullpen, but I don't think we have one right now.
 

czar

fanboy
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
4,318
Ann Arbor
I don't see how you take Wright out of the rotation at the moment until his performance dips. 2 passes through the rotation the man's our best starter, at least technically. And even more interestingly, his peripherals are consistent with his performance -- high K's, low walks, a BABIP consistent with career norms, a WHIP of under 1.2, only FIP and xFIP really seems out of place which largely comes down to the fact that no one's taken him deep yet. So far he's shown the same improvement he seemed to show this Springtime.

I mean yeah, he's going to regress to the mean a bit, I expect him to finish with an ERA in the high 3's to low 4's with a lot of innings under his belt, but even that guy I'm expecting Wright to be, not sure you can take that out of the rotation. you certainly can't do it until teams start catching up with his mistakes. So far Wright hasn't really made any big ones.

I think the man who steps out of the rotation into the long role at the moment, is Kelly.
The big disconnect between xFIP/SIERA and his ERA is actually the fact that his strand rate is 10% higher than his career norms (and a couple ticks beyond that, the MLB average).

You can probably construct an argument that knuckleballers outperform their rates slightly due to weak fly ball contact (e.g., the knuckleballing Matt Cain) impact, but it's not very large.

That's not to say Wright hasn't been plenty adequate so far, but my guess is he'll fall to 4th/5th in performance by the time ERod returns (assuming Porcello doesn't keep giving up 17 HR/start and Buchholz slowly pulls it together). Of course, we still have at least a few weeks to sort that out.
 

SouthernBoSox

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 23, 2005
12,121
Eduardo was scheduled to throw 60-65 pitch simulated game yesterday. Is there any reports or updates regarding the success of that? I can't seem to find any.
 

Red(s)HawksFan

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 23, 2009
20,963
Maine
Eduardo was scheduled to throw 60-65 pitch simulated game yesterday. Is there any reports or updates regarding the success of that? I can't seem to find any.
Nothing about yesterday's outing, but there is this just tweeted by Bradford.
https://twitter.com/bradfo/status/722524371273793536
Rob Bradford @bradfo
Eduaedo Rodriguez to throw extended spring game Saturday (75 pitches) then plan is to pitch for minor league affiliate



I would take that to mean yesterday went well.
 

Plympton91

bubble burster
SoSH Member
Oct 19, 2008
12,408
and as usual, the correct answer to the question, " What will we do when we have 6 good, healthy starting pitchers?" Is that you won't end up in that situation.
 

Todd Benzinger

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 23, 2001
4,400
So Ill
Tim Neverett on the radio broadcast reported that Eduardo's session "went very well."

So, given Owens's hot start, I am guessing he gets a few starts while Eduardo stretches out in the minors.
 

RIrooter09

Alvin
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2008
7,270
I'd rather they bring up Elias and let Owens establish some consistency at AAA. He's looked great over 3 starts, but let's see how he's doing in a few weeks.
 

nvalvo

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
21,729
Rogers Park
I'd rather they bring up Elias and let Owens establish some consistency at AAA. He's looked great over 3 starts, but let's see how he's doing in a few weeks.
Well, it's complicated: he's walked a bunch of guys, but he's struck out even more, and suppressed hits to the point that he has a sub-1 WHIP *including* the high walk rate. It's a Matsuzaka 2008 kind of line.
 

RIrooter09

Alvin
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2008
7,270
Well, it's complicated: he's walked a bunch of guys, but he's struck out even more, and suppressed hits to the point that he has a sub-1 WHIP *including* the high walk rate. It's a Matsuzaka 2008 kind of line.
Which will probably lead to some short outings at the major league level as the hitters are more advanced, and should collect a few more hits. I'd rather roll the dice and hope Elias can go deeper into games while Owens continues to work on his control at AAA. Our bullpen has been taxed enough already.
 

shaggydog2000

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 5, 2007
11,616
Which will probably lead to some short outings at the major league level as the hitters are more advanced, and should collect a few more hits. I'd rather roll the dice and hope Elias can go deeper into games while Owens continues to work on his control at AAA. Our bullpen has been taxed enough already.
Elias and Owens have almost identical walk rates (14.3% vs 14.6%) this year. Owens is just striking guys out at almost double the rate (32.9% vs 18.8%). I don't see how you can say Elias is a better option based on stats from this year. If you look at their careers stats in the MLB they're pretty close as well in terms of K%, BB%, and FIP. The only thing Elias has in his favor is a longer track record (279 vs 63 IP). If that makes you feel more comfortable, ok by me, but I think based on how they're pitching right now, Owens would get the nod between the two. He also has the higher upside considering he is 4 years younger.
 

Savin Hillbilly

loves the secret sauce
SoSH Member
Jul 10, 2007
18,783
The wrong side of the bridge....
Which will probably lead to some short outings at the major league level as the hitters are more advanced, and should collect a few more hits. I'd rather roll the dice and hope Elias can go deeper into games while Owens continues to work on his control at AAA. Our bullpen has been taxed enough already.
EDIT: shaggydog2000 said it first & better.
 

RIrooter09

Alvin
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2008
7,270
Elias and Owens have almost identical walk rates (14.3% vs 14.6%) this year. Owens is just striking guys out at almost double the rate (32.9% vs 18.8%). I don't see how you can say Elias is a better option based on stats from this year. If you look at their careers stats in the MLB they're pretty close as well in terms of K%, BB%, and FIP. The only thing Elias has in his favor is a longer track record (279 vs 63 IP). If that makes you feel more comfortable, ok by me, but I think based on how they're pitching right now, Owens would get the nod between the two. He also has the higher upside considering he is 4 years younger.
Yeah, I wasn't basing the decision off merely 3 starts. Elias has the longer track record, and I agree the lower upside. For a few starts until ERod returns I'm absolutely fine with that. Owens has the chance to contribute significantly at the major league level down the road, so I'd rather he stay at AAA and continue to work on getting those walk numbers down. Bringing him up for a few starts only to be shelled could stunt his development and rattle him. That being said, I'm pretty sure they'll be promoting Owens over Elias.
 

Rasputin

Will outlive SeanBerry
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Oct 4, 2001
29,515
Not here
Yeah, I wasn't basing the decision off merely 3 starts. Elias has the longer track record, and I agree the lower upside. For a few starts until ERod returns I'm absolutely fine with that. Owens has the chance to contribute significantly at the major league level down the road, so I'd rather he stay at AAA and continue to work on getting those walk numbers down. Bringing him up for a few starts only to be shelled could stunt his development and rattle him. That being said, I'm pretty sure they'll be promoting Owens over Elias.
But there's no particular reason to think Owens is coming up to get shelled. In 7 of his 11 outings in the bigs last year, he allowed 3 runs or fewer, and he went 5 innings or more in 9, and 6 innings or more in 5.

On the list of guys in the minors who are in line to take a starting role with the big club, Henry Owens is at the top of the list. I think that means that when the timing of starts allows--and it does now--he's the one that gets the call.

To put it slightly differently, he's the one who is most likely to take the job permanently.
 

shaggydog2000

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 5, 2007
11,616
But there's no particular reason to think Owens is coming up to get shelled. In 7 of his 11 outings in the bigs last year, he allowed 3 runs or fewer, and he went 5 innings or more in 9, and 6 innings or more in 5.

On the list of guys in the minors who are in line to take a starting role with the big club, Henry Owens is at the top of the list. I think that means that when the timing of starts allows--and it does now--he's the one that gets the call.

To put it slightly differently, he's the one who is most likely to take the job permanently.
Also, just in terms of rotation days, rest, and all of that, Owens is lined up for Saturday, so the Sunday game would be one extra day rest. It looks like Sean O'Sullivan would be the guy on track to pitch for Pawtucket Sunday, and they're probably not bringing him up. Johnson would be in line for tomorrow, and Elias on Friday. I guess if one of those guys sits out his turn, we know who they're going with, but Owens just lines up better right now.
 

whatittakes

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 11, 2016
215
I think at this point all you can do is keep predicting Wright falls to earth eventually and enjoying this run while it lasts
 

whatittakes

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 11, 2016
215
Oh lord yes, at this point if I'm a coach on another team I'm scouting this guy to figure out how to beat him and cool him off. you guys said we needed a #2 starter, well right at the moment, Wright is being a pretty good imitation of one.
 

simplicio

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 11, 2012
5,369
Wright is the only -- that's right, I said ONLY -- starter on the Sox with an ERA+ over 100.

He stays.
The way you phrased this had me thinking it would it would be some reasonably good number, 115-130 or so.

It's 285.

He's the ace?

(SSS FTW)
 

Drek717

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 23, 2003
2,542
Yeah, I wasn't basing the decision off merely 3 starts. Elias has the longer track record, and I agree the lower upside. For a few starts until ERod returns I'm absolutely fine with that. Owens has the chance to contribute significantly at the major league level down the road, so I'd rather he stay at AAA and continue to work on getting those walk numbers down. Bringing him up for a few starts only to be shelled could stunt his development and rattle him. That being said, I'm pretty sure they'll be promoting Owens over Elias.
He was up for 11 starts and 63 innings of work last season. He responded to that by opening 2016 with the best three game stretch he's had at the AAA level to date. Owens is well beyond the point where his taking spot starts merits concerns about shellshock or damaging his growth. He needs to see ML hitters if he's ever going to get ML hitters out. Better to do it now when Rodriguez is nearing his return so that should Owens get blasted a few starts in a row there is an immediate alternative on-hand.

To tie this into the topic of this thread, Stephen Wright, it will be very interesting to see how Owens' arsenal plays the day after Houston spent the evening flailing at butterflies. The deception between Owens' fastball and change, coupled with the almost knuckeball-like late break potential of said change, would suggest that he might be an absolute nightmare for them. Alternatively, the Astros might rejoice at the sight of his low 90's fastball.

And as of now Stephen Wright has to be the #3 most locked in SP in the rotation behind Price and Porcello, the later of those two being spotted more than a slight advantage because of his salary.
 

whatittakes

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 11, 2016
215
In other words you feel that Buchholz' place in the rotation is more threatened than Wright's at the moment? Not sure I agree. If you asked me which guy would be out of a job if he got shelled in 5 consecutive starts my answer would not be Clay Buchholz
 

Crazy Puppy

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 8, 2006
1,888
To tie this into the topic of this thread, Stephen Wright, it will be very interesting to see how Owens' arsenal plays the day after Houston spent the evening flailing at butterflies. The deception between Owens' fastball and change, coupled with the almost knuckeball-like late break potential of said change, would suggest that he might be an absolute nightmare for them. Alternatively, the Astros might rejoice at the sight of his low 90's fastball.
Buchholz pitches today, Owens on Sunday.
 

Tyrone Biggums

nfl meets tri-annually at a secret country mansion
SoSH Member
Aug 15, 2006
6,424
I think Kelly has to be the odd man out once he returns from the DL. Wright has been pitching great. It would hurt the 2016 team to have him in the pen.