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But if Sale looks great, and suddenly we have "too many" starting pitchers (ha!) it's possible Richards or Perez may be able to be traded for some sort of value, instead of just being dumped.
This is essentially what I was saying, not sure why it would be controversial.

They trade for a starter that improves the rotation. What with Sale added, too, a guy or two needs to be bumped from the rotation. Rather than just DFA-ing them, they could trade and get some value back.
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Three questions on June 30, 2021. When does Sale return? At what point do we know that he looks "great"? When is the trade deadline? Same three questions apply for Houck.
 

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There are a few interesting guys that are pure rentals if Richards and Perez continue to suck.

Max Scherzer - probably too expensive, both in terms of acquisition cost and salary.
Danny Duffy ($15.5M) - 3.21 FIP, 10.3 K/9, 3.0 BB/9
Charlie Morton ($15M) - 3.42 FIP, 10.4 K/9, 3.1 BB/9
Jon Gray ($6M) - 4.19 FIP, 8.0 K/9, 3.6 BB/9

Dark horse
Adam Wainwright ($8M) - 3.91 FIP, 9.0 K/9, 2.5 BB/9

Kind of unthinkable that Waino wouldn’t retire with STL, but he’s 39 and retiring after this year or next. Could be his last good shot at another ring and the Cards are quickly becoming irrelevant. 8.0 games back in the Central and 8.5 games back of the wild card.
 

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a) i’m at the point that i’m listening to overthemonster podcasts. the latest mentioned kenta meada. i’m interested.
b) typing this at a bar in brooklyn
 

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This. Plus why waste Sale when the team is already down 3 or 5 runs? Games like yesterday aren't going to happen all the time, although that was their 26th comefrombehind victory. Let Sale start the game and set the pace.
I imagine that the strategy wouldn't be to allow Richards to fall down 3-5 runs, but to yank him before that point. It'd be more like using Richards as an "opener" and for as long as he's pitching effectively with no more than twice through the lineup and likely even just once before going to Sale. Same with Houck and Pivetta. Perez and Whitlock (or some combo of that).
 

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I imagine that the strategy wouldn't be to allow Richards to fall down 3-5 runs, but to yank him before that point. It'd be more like using Richards as an "opener" and for as long as he's pitching effectively with no more than twice through the lineup and likely even just once before going to Sale. Same with Houck and Pivetta. Perez and Whitlock (or some combo of that).
Isn't this the worst way to use Richards though? Hasn't he most often been terrible the first time through the order and then better as the game goes on?
 

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Isn't this the worst way to use Richards though? Hasn't he most often been terrible the first time through the order and then better as the game goes on?
Definitely. Thus far this season, these are his numbers for the first six innings.

1st inning: 16 IP, 17 R, 1.103 OPS
2nd inning: 15.2 IP, 14 R, 1.045 OPS
3rd inning: 14 IP, 3 R, .546 OPS
4th inning: 14 IP, 5 R, .730 OPS
5th inning: 12.2 IP, 3 R, .676 OPS
6th inning: 6.2 IP, 2 R, 1.052 OPS

They need to figure out a way for him to come out of the gates the way he comes out for the third inning and beyond. I don't think planning for shorter outings, either as an opener or a reliever, is the most effective way to use him.

And as it pertains to Sale, he HAS to start. He might be recovering from an injury, but he's still likely the best pitcher they have under contract. When he's back, he starts and goes as deep into every game as is reasonable.
 

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Duran: 15 homers in just 37 games at AAA. That's amazing. In 2019 he had 5 homers in 131 minor league games at two levels.
 

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Duran: 15 homers in just 37 games at AAA. That's amazing. In 2019 he had 5 homers in 131 minor league games at two levels.
I think we should be slightly wary of Polar Park's effect on HR rates, he has 10 HR in 79 AB at home and 5 HR in 77 on the road. His Iso also drops from .456 at home to .208 on the road. That place must be a launching pad. But even if we just doubled the road rate, that is still a big increase in HR output and he is still hitting very well down there.
 

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I think we should be slightly wary of Polar Park's effect on HR rates, he has 10 HR in 79 AB at home and 5 HR in 77 on the road. His Iso also drops from .456 at home to .208 on the road. That place must be a launching pad. But even if we just doubled the road rate, that is still a big increase in HR output and he is still hitting very well down there.
At home, team is hitting .257/.342/.478 with 43 HR in 818 At bats
On the road, .251/.339/.414, 32 HR in 806 At bats
 

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Definitely, shaggy. His numbers should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. Still...he looks really good this year and he should be up to the majors sooner than later. I don't know what the impact of his Team USA commitment will be and I don't know that the Sox should rush him to the majors. Let him compete in the Olympics and then join the big club after.
 

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Definitely, shaggy. His numbers should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. Still...he looks really good this year and he should be up to the majors sooner than later. I don't know what the impact of his Team USA commitment will be and I don't know that the Sox should rush him to the majors. Let him compete in the Olympics and then join the big club after.
As much as I'd like to see him called up and think he's wasting his time in AAA, he doesn't really have a spot on the roster unless the team wants to make Enrique the super sub. Duran needs to be getting consistent at bats. I'm not sure those are available right now with Enrique, Renfroe and Verdugo hitting. It would be nice to have a better 4th OF but I'm not sure who you'd sit among the 4 if Duran was up.

Also, I don't think Duran's numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. They should just be adjusted a little. The added in game power is clearly real at this point.
 

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As much as I'd like to see him called up and think he's wasting his time in AAA, he doesn't really have a spot on the roster unless the team wants to make Enrique the super sub. Duran needs to be getting consistent at bats. I'm not sure those are available right now with Enrique, Renfroe and Verdugo hitting. It would be nice to have a better 4th OF but I'm not sure who you'd sit among the 4 if Duran was up.

Also, I don't think Duran's numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. They should just be adjusted a little. The added in game power is clearly real at this point.
Kiki can just be the everyday 2B.
 

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Kiki can just be the everyday 2B.
Arroyo was hitting too and should be back. The only real hole in the lineup is 1b.

edit: And possibly super sub, since that position gets a fair amount of at bats. That seems like a role where you might sacrifice O for D though so maybe Marwin is fine too.
 

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I imagine that the strategy wouldn't be to allow Richards to fall down 3-5 runs, but to yank him before that point. It'd be more like using Richards as an "opener" and for as long as he's pitching effectively with no more than twice through the lineup and likely even just once before going to Sale. Same with Houck and Pivetta. Perez and Whitlock (or some combo of that).
Part of the curious case of Garret Richards, however, is that he is worse the first time through the line up!
 

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As much as I'd like to see him called up and think he's wasting his time in AAA, he doesn't really have a spot on the roster unless the team wants to make Enrique the super sub. Duran needs to be getting consistent at bats. I'm not sure those are available right now with Enrique, Renfroe and Verdugo hitting. It would be nice to have a better 4th OF but I'm not sure who you'd sit among the 4 if Duran was up.

Also, I don't think Duran's numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. They should just be adjusted a little. The added in game power is clearly real at this point.
Sure, everybody's numbers should be taken in context. His swing change is clearly real, and his home road splits look to be more exaggerated than the rest of the team. Part of it may just be luck or random distribution, and some of it may be his power lanes matching up with the park dimensions and supposed jet stream thingy. There is no way to really tell.

I also agree with you about him needing to be where he can play. Kike had a 106 wrc+ in June, after putting up a 99 wrc+ in May. A crap April is pulling down his numbers, but he has been improving every month so far and if the Sox feel there is a big difference between Kike's defense in CF and what they expect from Duran, that is reason enough to let Duran continue to work on his overall game in the Woo.
 

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Arroyo was hitting too and should be back. The only real hole in the lineup is 1b.

edit: And possibly super sub, since that position gets a fair amount of at bats. That seems like a role where you might sacrifice O for D though so maybe Marwin is fine too.
If push came to shove DFA’ing Marwin would solve the roster crunch. Arroyo at 2B and Kiki the Swiss Army knife.
 

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Definitely, shaggy. His numbers should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. Still...he looks really good this year and he should be up to the majors sooner than later. I don't know what the impact of his Team USA commitment will be and I don't know that the Sox should rush him to the majors. Let him compete in the Olympics and then join the big club after.
Per Alex Speier, Duran and Casas are supposed to join Team USA for pre-Olympic workouts right around the All-Star break (speculation is that this is why Duran isn't participating in the Futures game). So, in less than two weeks. Then I imagine the commitment is for as long as Team USA is still alive in the tournament.

I've been saying all along that Duran is most likely a late season call up once the AAA season winds down, barring an injury that necessitates bringing him up sooner. Nothing I've seen so far has dissuaded me from that belief. That he's on the Olympic roster and the Sox are letting it happen just solidifies that further. As others have said, they don't really have a spot for him at the moment, and the team has the best record in the league so it's not like they're in need of some sort of spark or fresh blood.
 

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The biggest surprise to me about this generally surprising team: health. Arroyo has been on the IL a couple of times, but that’s really it for big-time injuries (unless you want to count Houck, also, which is fair). Sale has been out, but we all knew that going in.
 

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Marcus Wilson is already on the 40-man, has played all 3 OF positions (mostly in the corners with Duran in CF) and is hitting .270/.394/.497, and actually better on the road. His 31% k rate is not ideal but he is a guy who already profiles as a 4th OF type and isn't a Franchy-type scenario where the guy badly needs at bats.

He is who I would consider calling up as the Santana replacement while Duran gets more seasoning and Franchy is force-fed at bats (and grounders).
 

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Has Franchy ever played 1B? It doesn’t look like he has in the majors base on his bbref page. But if he’s passable over there it might be worth it to see if he can give them an alternative over Dalbec there.
 

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Has Franchy ever played 1B? It doesn’t look like he has in the majors base on his bbref page. But if he’s passable over there it might be worth it to see if he can give them an alternative over Dalbec there.
It's being discussed in the PTBNL thread.
 

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Tonight’s game marks the halfway point of the season. Thru 81, Sox will either be 50-31 or 49-32.
They’ve been winning consistently. April went 17-10. May 15-11. June will be 18-10 or 17-11.
By weeks (Sunday thru Saturday, lumping the first two games of the season into the first week), they’ve only had one losing week, going 3-5 in week 3 (CWS, TOR, SEA @ home).
They have not had a losing 10 game stretch. Only two 5-5 stretches: games 11-20 (4/14-22) and 61-70 (6/8-18). Three at 7-3, three at 6-4.
No big winning streaks, no big losing streaks. Not too high, not too low.

Edit: By teams played, they only have three losing records: 1-2 vs OAK, 1-3 vs TEX, 2-5 vs HOU.
 
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I imagine that the strategy wouldn't be to allow Richards to fall down 3-5 runs, but to yank him before that point. It'd be more like using Richards as an "opener" and for as long as he's pitching effectively with no more than twice through the lineup and likely even just once before going to Sale. Same with Houck and Pivetta. Perez and Whitlock (or some combo of that).
So you are suggesting Cora can be a pre-cog and/or rush Sale in the game when Richards is about to shit the bed?
 
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I imagine that the strategy wouldn't be to allow Richards to fall down 3-5 runs, but to yank him before that point. It'd be more like using Richards as an "opener" and for as long as he's pitching effectively with no more than twice through the lineup and likely even just once before going to Sale. Same with Houck and Pivetta. Perez and Whitlock (or some combo of that).
I am a big Alex Cora fan, and if he actually did this I would want him fired by the 7th inning stretch.
 

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These things usually take care of themselves. By the time Sale is ready to start major league games, there will be a logical spot for him to do so.
 

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Tonight’s game marks the halfway point of the season. Thru 81, Sox will either be 50-31 or 49-32.
They’ve been winning consistently. April went 17-10. May 15-11. June will be 18-10 or 17-11.
By weeks (Sunday thru Saturday, lumping the first two games of the season into the first week), they’ve only had one losing week, going 3-5 in week 3 (CWS, TOR, SEA @ home).
They have not had a losing 10 game stretch. Only two 5-5 stretches: games 11-20 (4/14-22) and 61-70 (6/8-18). Three at 7-3, three at 6-4.
No big winning streaks, no big losing streaks. Not too high, not too low.

Edit: By teams played, they only have three losing records: 1-2 vs OAK, 1-3 vs TEX, 2-5 vs HOU.
Yes they lose small battles but always seem to win the war. One nitpick they did have a 9 game winning streak after the 0-3 start which really got them jumpstarted.
 

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Tonight’s game marks the halfway point of the season. Thru 81, Sox will either be 50-31 or 49-32.
They’ve been winning consistently. April went 17-10. May 15-11. June will be 18-10 or 17-11.
By weeks (Sunday thru Saturday, lumping the first two games of the season into the first week), they’ve only had one losing week, going 3-5 in week 3 (CWS, TOR, SEA @ home).
They have not had a losing 10 game stretch. Only two 5-5 stretches: games 11-20 (4/14-22) and 61-70 (6/8-18). Three at 7-3, three at 6-4.
No big winning streaks, no big losing streaks. Not too high, not too low.

Edit: By teams played, they only have three losing records: 1-2 vs OAK, 1-3 vs TEX, 2-5 vs HOU.
They're on track by winning percentage to be a 98-100 win team.

Fangraphs has them projected to win 94 based on current results and projected player performance from here.
https://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings

FivethirtyEight uses an ELO style system and projects them for 92 wins.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-mlb-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo

So they're on track to be in the 89th percentile or above of how people here thought they would perform before the season:
https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/red-sox-2021-season-predictions.33006/

They're definitely exceeding expectations. And I hope they keep it up.
 

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I imagine that the strategy wouldn't be to allow Richards to fall down 3-5 runs, but to yank him before that point. It'd be more like using Richards as an "opener" and for as long as he's pitching effectively with no more than twice through the lineup and likely even just once before going to Sale. Same with Houck and Pivetta. Perez and Whitlock (or some combo of that).
It isn't always that simple. For example, Monday he was down 3 runs after 3 batters and 4 runs shortly after that.
 

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Per Alex Speier, Duran and Casas are supposed to join Team USA for pre-Olympic workouts right around the All-Star break (speculation is that this is why Duran isn't participating in the Futures game). So, in less than two weeks. Then I imagine the commitment is for as long as Team USA is still alive in the tournament.

I've been saying all along that Duran is most likely a late season call up once the AAA season winds down, barring an injury that necessitates bringing him up sooner. Nothing I've seen so far has dissuaded me from that belief. That he's on the Olympic roster and the Sox are letting it happen just solidifies that further. As others have said, they don't really have a spot for him at the moment, and the team has the best record in the league so it's not like they're in need of some sort of spark or fresh blood.
Well, they do have a spot for Duran in the outfield. Kike can then indeed play the Brock Holt super-utility role that he is best suited for ...Even if they are already scoring runs, doesn't the team want to improve any way it can? They are contending! Increase the run differential from either side. They've been trotting out some weak hitters all year (albeit with some recent improvement by some ....Vazquez, Dalbec/?, Arroyo, Devers, Bogaerts, Verdugo, Duran, Renfroe, Martinez, with Hernandez as the 10th man ....Seems like he pretty obviously has a spot to me ...
 

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Meanwhile, with Duran up, they clearly release Santana. No roster crunch. If they also bring up Cordero, or trade for a platoon compliment for Dalbec, they could DFA Andriese or demote Rios, and go with one a 4, rather than a 3 man bench (Hernandez, Plawecki, Gonzalez, Cordero/First base acquisition) ...
 

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Call me crazy (I've been called worse)- Duran was drafted as a 2B, and it wasn't until he got to the Sox system that he was transitioned to the OF. How many reps would it take for him to be able slide in at a passable level? A lot of talk is "how do we fit him into the OF", when there is a glaring hole at 2B.
 

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Meanwhile, with Duran up, they clearly release Santana. No roster crunch. If they also bring up Cordero, or trade for a platoon compliment for Dalbec, they could DFA Andriese or demote Rios, and go with one a 4, rather than a 3 man bench (Hernandez, Plawecki, Gonzalez, Cordero/First base acquisition) ...
I think if they were to call up Duran and Franchy, I think it would be the end of Santana and Chavis going back to AAA.
 

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Call me crazy (I've been called worse)- Duran was drafted as a 2B, and it wasn't until he got to the Sox system that he was transitioned to the OF. How many reps would it take for him to be able slide in at a passable level? A lot of talk is "how do we fit him into the OF", when there is a glaring hole at 2B.
I'm guessing they moved him off the position because he wasn't very good at it. It'd be like asking Franchy to play SS. Plus a lot of players who get drafted are SS or 2b who immediately get moved off the position. They play those positions in HS and college because they are usually the best athlete and player on the team.

It's like pointing out Michael Chavis was drafted as a SS.
 

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I'm guessing they moved him off the position because he wasn't very good at it. It'd be like asking Franchy to play SS. Plus a lot of players who get drafted are SS or 2b who immediately get moved off the position. They play those positions in HS and college because they are usually the best athlete and player on the team.

It's like pointing out Michael Chavis was drafted as a SS.
Chavis has played 2B in the majors. So, yah, probably exactly like that.
 

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They need to figure out a way for him to come out of the gates the way he comes out for the third inning and beyond. I don't think planning for shorter outings, either as an opener or a reliever, is the most effective way to use him.
Ramon Martinez had this same issue in 2000 (11.77 first inning ERA), but I don't think they ever solved it. IIRC, they tried having him do more vigorous pre-game warmup to simulate game action, but it didn't fix the issue.
 

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They need to figure out a way for him to come out of the gates the way he comes out for the third inning and beyond. I don't think planning for shorter outings, either as an opener or a reliever, is the most effective way to use him.
Let him warm up as though he was starting the game, then make him throw another 45-50 pitches. At that point he should be third inning ready. But seriously, you're right. ATM it seems like none of those options will serve him or the team well until he fixes himself. His first inning will be his first inning regardless as to when it is. I'm still convinced a lot of this is mental due to the new sticky stuff rules enforcement.
 

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Let him warm up as though he was starting the game, then make him throw another 45-50 pitches. At that point he should be third inning ready. But seriously, you're right. ATM it seems like none of those options will serve him or the team well until he fixes himself. His first inning will be his first inning regardless as to when it is. I'm still convinced a lot of this is mental due to the new sticky stuff rules enforcement.
I have no doubt he's totally in his own head about the sticky stuff, but his troubles in the first inning go back to the start of the season.

In his first five starts, including the one where he "figured it out" against the Mets, he allowed all his runs before the seventh out of the game was recorded.

4/4 - 3 runs in the first, 3 runners allowed before being removed in the third, all three scored (2 IP)
4/10 - 2 runs in the first (5 IP)
4/15 - 2 runs in the second (5 IP)
4/21 - 1 run in the first, 3 runs in the second (4.2 IP)
4/27 - 1 run in the second (7 IP)
 

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So at the halfway point of the season, Boston is:

- at 50 wins (50-31)
- 3.0 up over 2nd place TB
- 8.5 up over NY

And Houck is coming along. Sale looks phenomenal in his rehab. And Duran is one of the most electric players in the minors right now.

I don't think Sox fans could have asked for anything close to this heading into the season.
 

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So at the halfway point of the season, Boston is:

- at 50 wins (50-31)
- 3.0 up over 2nd place TB
- 8.5 up over NY

And Houck is coming along. Sale looks phenomenal in his rehab. And Duran is one of the most electric players in the minors right now.

I don't think Sox fans could have asked for anything close to this heading into the season.
Totally. It really seems they could now trade for a single upgrade - starting pitcher - and might have all other holes patched internally, in order to "GFIN" without breaking the prospect bank. There is a small measure of luck here, but a whole lotta Chaim Bloom being one of the best executives in the game.

We are really lucky, because - save injuries - this may well be the beginning of an ascendent era ....
 

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Cora is really pulling off a managing performance for the ages. This is a massively overachieving team producing results far above its talent level.
 

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Well, they do have a spot for Duran in the outfield. Kike can then indeed play the Brock Holt super-utility role that he is best suited for ...Even if they are already scoring runs, doesn't the team want to improve any way it can? They are contending! Increase the run differential from either side. They've been trotting out some weak hitters all year (albeit with some recent improvement by some ....Vazquez, Dalbec/?, Arroyo, Devers, Bogaerts, Verdugo, Duran, Renfroe, Martinez, with Hernandez as the 10th man ....Seems like he pretty obviously has a spot to me ...
I hate using this term, but watching Heenandez recently - there's one thing that comes to mind: "gamer". This guy puts it all out there and I think that has to impact the clubhouse and the outfield. He's also a damn good 2B while the Sox have a terrible defensive right side. In short, I want this guy playing every day because I think he impacts the game.

Calling up Duran as a dreamboat because many fill in the blanks with wishful thinking is, though possible, not a game changer for the Red Sox. Major League pitchers will certainly pick him apart for a long while and major league parks may hold back some of his power. If he was a stellar defensive outfielder, I'd be more positive because defense doesn't slump, but inserting him in left also degrades the outfield.

Lastly, there's the bit about starting his ML clock.

I have great hopes for Duran, but they don't involve rushing him to the majors for the sake of...what...having a "lead off hitter"...

The Red Sox biggest need for the second half is starting pitching and maybe a good fielding power hitting 1B (which they may already have as he develops).
 

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Ramon Martinez had this same issue in 2000 (11.77 first inning ERA), but I don't think they ever solved it. IIRC, they tried having him do more vigorous pre-game warmup to simulate game action, but it didn't fix the issue.
in the 90s it was either Steve Avery or Tom Glavine that has this issue with Atlanta. I remember skip carey talking about working harder to simulate an inning before games to help fix it. Didn’t work there either.