The Ultimate Fighting Championship (MMA) Thread
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UFN 22 tonight features a sick main event. Nate Marquardt vs Rousimar Palhares, winner is declared the dirtiest middleweight in the world.
Ross Pearson vs Cole Miller should also be sick. Both of these lightweights go after it.
Then immediately afterward is the season premiere of TUF 12; GSP vs Koscheck. I fucking can't stand Koscheck.
Ross Pearson vs Cole Miller should also be sick. Both of these lightweights go after it.
Then immediately afterward is the season premiere of TUF 12; GSP vs Koscheck. I fucking can't stand Koscheck.
Here are the weigh-in results:
Rousimar Palhares (186) VS Nate Marquardt (186)
Charles Oliveira (154) VS Efrain Escudero (159*)
Gleison Tibau (154) VS Jim Miller (155.5)
Cole Miller (156) VS Ross Pearson (156)
Escudero came in over so he will forfeit 20% of his purse.
Rousimar Palhares (186) VS Nate Marquardt (186)
Charles Oliveira (154) VS Efrain Escudero (159*)
Gleison Tibau (154) VS Jim Miller (155.5)
Cole Miller (156) VS Ross Pearson (156)
Escudero came in over so he will forfeit 20% of his purse.
I agree, Weebs. He looked extremely accurate with his strikes. And if you have been keeping up with the commentary outside of the octagon, Cole Miller has been one of the guys that has been very vocal against wrestlers. He isn't a fan of lay and pray/controlling the clock (Maynard) or point striking (Edgar) .. He rocks Pearson and then sinks in the RNC, what a way to make a statement!
I thought that going for the RNC there instead of just trying to pound away at a stunned opponent demonstrated a very mature mindset. Some fighters see a guy's knees wobble and they flip out with hasty and moderately effective strikes.
Miller's subs are his strength. I think with a guy like him he'd naturally go with an RNC in that situation, as opposed to a Liddell-type fighter who'd try to cave in the guy's skull.
Yeah he didn't test positive for "drugs of abuse" which is another way of saying "the fun drugs" so there is really only one other possibility there.
I still cant get my head around the fact that Nick Diaz was stripped of a victory for hitting the chronic.
Nick Diaz hanging with Cheech and Chong costs him a win and Tim Sylvia injecting Winny to get shredded before destroying Gan McGee isn't docked a victory.
Nick Diaz hanging with Cheech and Chong costs him a win and Tim Sylvia injecting Winny to get shredded before destroying Gan McGee isn't docked a victory.
Also, Nate will replace Vitor against Okami.
Vitor is apparently injured so we'll have to see what the timetable for his return is. Anderson is also sidelined for more than a few months so it actually fits perfectly.
Real quick my predictions for UFC 119.
Mir over Cro Cop. I love Cro Cop but he can't hang with Mir. Mir's last 2 losses have been to dudes who overpowered him, Cro Cop ain't doing that. Mir by armbar.
Bader over Lil Nog. Lil Nog had a hard time with Brilz who isn't half the wrestler that Bader is. Plus the dude has heavy fucking hands. Bader by TKO.
Lytle over Serra. Fun fun match up. Lytle by some kind of submission.
Dunham over Sherk. Sherk is old school and Dunham is the new breed plus he is strong as fuck.
Stephen over Melvin. Another fun match. Heathen with a submission victory.
I truly believe all these fights will be finished. This card is quietly stacked with real fighters. Oh and go Matt Mitrione!
Mir over Cro Cop. I love Cro Cop but he can't hang with Mir. Mir's last 2 losses have been to dudes who overpowered him, Cro Cop ain't doing that. Mir by armbar.
Bader over Lil Nog. Lil Nog had a hard time with Brilz who isn't half the wrestler that Bader is. Plus the dude has heavy fucking hands. Bader by TKO.
Lytle over Serra. Fun fun match up. Lytle by some kind of submission.
Dunham over Sherk. Sherk is old school and Dunham is the new breed plus he is strong as fuck.
Stephen over Melvin. Another fun match. Heathen with a submission victory.
I truly believe all these fights will be finished. This card is quietly stacked with real fighters. Oh and go Matt Mitrione!
Well, hopefully that's the last time they try to pass Cro Cop off as a main event fighter, who did nothing tonight other then show up for the check. Seriously Dana, that Pride success is so dead and buried in the past now that it's not even worth the attempt to hype up anymore. Like Ken Shamrock, there's a point of overkill that only undermines the overall product. Cut him and let Showtime squeeze out that final drop.
Sopcast froze up for both round 2 and 3 of that fight for me, which was pretty fail.
Unfroze right as they were announcing the winner, so i'm curious as well to what went down.
mma-core, brother. Get it while it's available. I'm going to check it out now too.
EDIT: Just finished seeing it and I can see why people would be upset over the UD but it wasn't a robbery. I think Bader had rounds 1 and 2 but Lil Nog had the 3rd. If the judges are going to give so much points for landing takedowns they have to equally award points when they are stuffed. It should cut both ways and Lil Nog stuffed about 4 or 5 TD in the final round.
EDIT: Just finished seeing it and I can see why people would be upset over the UD but it wasn't a robbery. I think Bader had rounds 1 and 2 but Lil Nog had the 3rd. If the judges are going to give so much points for landing takedowns they have to equally award points when they are stuffed. It should cut both ways and Lil Nog stuffed about 4 or 5 TD in the final round.
WEC 51 and Bellator 31 take place Thursday in Colorado and Louisiana, respectively. Jose Aldo vs. Manny Gamburyan is the highlight of the two events. Unfortunately former UFC champ and reality tv 'star' Ricco Rodriguez's fight on Bellator against Dave Herman was cancelled. Via MMA Junkie:
WEC 51
MAIN CARD
MAIN CARD
I assume most people are going to watch WEC instead of the Bellator fights. Any thoughts?
WEC 51
MAIN CARD
- Champ Jose Aldo vs. Manny Gamburyan (for featherweight title)
- Miguel Torres vs. Charlie Valencia
- Donald Cerrone vs. Jamie Varner
- Chan Sung Jung vs. George Roop
- Leonard Garcia vs. Mark Hominick
- Mike Brown vs. Cole Province
- Chris Horodecki vs. Ed Ratcliff
- Antonio Banuelos vs. Chad George
- Demetrious Johnson vs. Nick Pace
- Diego Nunes vs. Tyler Toner
- Pablo Garza vs. Tiequan Zhang
MAIN CARD
- Megumi Fujii vs. Lisa Ward (women's 115-pound tourney semifinal)
- Jessica Aguilar vs. Zoila Frausto (women's 115-pound tourney semifinal)
- Chris Lozano vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
- Mark Holata vs. Shawn Jordan
- John Harris vs. Kyle Miers
- Mike Chandler vs. Scott Stapp
- Aaron Davis vs. Tim Ruberg
I assume most people are going to watch WEC instead of the Bellator fights. Any thoughts?
As someone who watches most of the PPVs, That was a brutally uninteresting card. had potential on paper, but turned out to be mostly blah.
I know I am a little late to the party but here are my thoughts on 119.
I was legitimately disappointed that Guillard vs. Stephens fight didn't deliver the fireworks it had the potential for. I loved Guillard vs. Clementi and I thought this could have been even better.
Evan Dunham lost the first round to Sherk, but after that, he beat Sean like a drum. I know that take downs are valued by the judges but when said take downs result in a fighter being threatened with more guillotines than french nobility, they have to even out at the very least. I'd even give Dunham the edge because a sub attempt can end the fight. The good thing here is that I don't think that this loss hurts Dunham in the least.
Can anyone figure out why Serra deliberately stood with Lytle? I like both these guys alot but I also think that sometimes, when friends fight, we get something other than a straight up fight. I keep thinking that Serra stood with Chris as a favor because he knew the fight was in his home town and his post fight comments did nothing to disabuse me of that notion.
I thought Lil Nog beat Bader as well. Again take downs are great, but you have to do something with them other than get scared of being in Nog's guard and back out. Bader had some good Ground and pound in the first but I thought Nog controlled the majority fight. Still, not a major judging robbery by any means.
Quite frankly, I think Cro-Cop did well by getting into the third round. It's to bad he and Mir literally put me to sleep while doing it. Just awful. As much as I'd love to the Old Cro-Cop to re-appear, I have officially given up hope.
I was legitimately disappointed that Guillard vs. Stephens fight didn't deliver the fireworks it had the potential for. I loved Guillard vs. Clementi and I thought this could have been even better.
Evan Dunham lost the first round to Sherk, but after that, he beat Sean like a drum. I know that take downs are valued by the judges but when said take downs result in a fighter being threatened with more guillotines than french nobility, they have to even out at the very least. I'd even give Dunham the edge because a sub attempt can end the fight. The good thing here is that I don't think that this loss hurts Dunham in the least.
Can anyone figure out why Serra deliberately stood with Lytle? I like both these guys alot but I also think that sometimes, when friends fight, we get something other than a straight up fight. I keep thinking that Serra stood with Chris as a favor because he knew the fight was in his home town and his post fight comments did nothing to disabuse me of that notion.
I thought Lil Nog beat Bader as well. Again take downs are great, but you have to do something with them other than get scared of being in Nog's guard and back out. Bader had some good Ground and pound in the first but I thought Nog controlled the majority fight. Still, not a major judging robbery by any means.
Quite frankly, I think Cro-Cop did well by getting into the third round. It's to bad he and Mir literally put me to sleep while doing it. Just awful. As much as I'd love to the Old Cro-Cop to re-appear, I have officially given up hope.
Aldo looks about as dominant as you can right now.
As far as going up to 155, I'd be concerned if he could put on enough mass to counter the high caliber of wrestlers in that division.
But unless the WEC is going to make it financially worth his while to stay at 145 and be the promotion's poster boy, moving up is where the cash is. There is no reason why Aldo should be making less money than Mac Danzig.
As far as going up to 155, I'd be concerned if he could put on enough mass to counter the high caliber of wrestlers in that division.
But unless the WEC is going to make it financially worth his while to stay at 145 and be the promotion's poster boy, moving up is where the cash is. There is no reason why Aldo should be making less money than Mac Danzig.
I am guessing Aldo doesn't move up quite yet. 155 is still pretty loaded with some serious steam rollers, that would likely be a big step up in quality of competition for him. Sure the UFC could bring him along but what does that buy him? 2 maybe 3 fights against less than the best? Is he ready to handle a Florian or a past it Penn? Big questions, I'm sure we'll find out soon enough though.
Aldo: I have what it takes to fight in the UFC
Shortly following each of your wins everyone always talks about the possibility of your moving up in weight and even having a title fight in the UFC lightweight division. Do you think you’ll do well in the division above yours? Would you accept a 155-lbs fight?
Aldo "I would, for sure. I have what it takes to fight in the UFC, but that doesn’t depend on me. I’d have to talk to the people who work with me, like Dedé (Pederneiras), my coach, and Joinha (Jorge Guimarães), my manager. What they decide on is always what’s best. But I believe I have all it takes to fight in the upper division. There’d be no problem at all."
It seems like Aldo has people around him that are being responsible, and he's listening to them. I wonder when they decide it's best for him.
Shortly following each of your wins everyone always talks about the possibility of your moving up in weight and even having a title fight in the UFC lightweight division. Do you think you’ll do well in the division above yours? Would you accept a 155-lbs fight?
Aldo "I would, for sure. I have what it takes to fight in the UFC, but that doesn’t depend on me. I’d have to talk to the people who work with me, like Dedé (Pederneiras), my coach, and Joinha (Jorge Guimarães), my manager. What they decide on is always what’s best. But I believe I have all it takes to fight in the upper division. There’d be no problem at all."
It seems like Aldo has people around him that are being responsible, and he's listening to them. I wonder when they decide it's best for him.
The kid's not short on confidence which can be half the battle. I like his fighting style, but have questions about how it translates to guy's like Edgar/Florian/Maynard etc. I can see a fight with Evans maybe being his welcome party to the UFC, and that will be no picnic. He'll need some work on his wrestling but hey the money is there, I can't imagine at this point it will be long before he is in the octagon.
The Strikeforce event Saturday at San Jose is being headlined by Diaz and Noons. The two fought several years ago in the ring for Elite XC and then again a few months later outside of the ring. Noons won the first fight by ref stoppage due to cuts at the end of the first round. Via Sherdog
Strikeforce Welterweight Championship
Nick Diaz (No. 9 WW) vs. K.J. Noons
Strikeforce Women’s Welterweight Championship
Sarah Kaufman vs. Marloes Coenen
Tyron Woodley vs. Andre Galvao
Josh Thomson vs. Gesias Cavalcante
Eric Lawson vs. Ron Keslar
James Terry vs. Bret Bergmark
Jess Bouscal vs. Luis Mendoza
Strikeforce Welterweight Championship
Nick Diaz (No. 9 WW) vs. K.J. Noons
Strikeforce Women’s Welterweight Championship
Sarah Kaufman vs. Marloes Coenen
Tyron Woodley vs. Andre Galvao
Josh Thomson vs. Gesias Cavalcante
Eric Lawson vs. Ron Keslar
James Terry vs. Bret Bergmark
Jess Bouscal vs. Luis Mendoza
An entertaining main event: Diaz defeats Noons by unanimous decision. I missed the third and part of the fourth round, but both guys were standing and banging for most of what I saw. Interesting that Diaz had problems taking Noons down (I think he only took him down once or twice and didn't hold him down long), but still managed to get the win.
It was fight of the year in my book. Diaz stood and banged with Noons for five rounds,outboxing the boxer.Diaz made a few take down attempts in the final round.I was glad that they kept the fight standing because it was a pleasure to watch them beat the hell out of one another.Hopefully the rubber match will happen later this year.
Noons apparently broke his jaw in round 1 and his left hand in round 2. That dude has some balls, but maybe that's why Diaz was able to outbox him.
Diaz earned $50,000 for the fight. That's a decent chunk of change, but he could be making a lot more in the UFC, right? How long is he going to be banished from the UFC?
Diaz earned $50,000 for the fight. That's a decent chunk of change, but he could be making a lot more in the UFC, right? How long is he going to be banished from the UFC?
I don't know, man. Liking him, and dealing with him on a day-to-day basis are two different things. This interview was put on Youtube in February, and Dana says Diaz doesn't play "the game," and therefore, he won't fight in the UFC. Obviously things change, and Dana could bring him in once his contract is up, but he's a lot to deal with.
He fought with Joe Riggs in the hospital after UFC 57. He started a fight with Diego Sanchez before their fight in the octagon. He fought with Noons a month after their first fight. He was involved with the Mayhem/Sheilds fiasco (although, he didn't start that one). He failed a drug test for weed after submitting Gomi via gogoplata.
That's a ton of baggage. Diaz has a large fan base and is ranked in the top 10 by Sherdog, but he's just too much to deal with. I don't know if he'll fight in the UFC again. (I also never thought Kimbo would, either, though)
He fought with Joe Riggs in the hospital after UFC 57. He started a fight with Diego Sanchez before their fight in the octagon. He fought with Noons a month after their first fight. He was involved with the Mayhem/Sheilds fiasco (although, he didn't start that one). He failed a drug test for weed after submitting Gomi via gogoplata.
That's a ton of baggage. Diaz has a large fan base and is ranked in the top 10 by Sherdog, but he's just too much to deal with. I don't know if he'll fight in the UFC again. (I also never thought Kimbo would, either, though)
Wow !!!! Carlos Condit is back in a HUGE way. Hardy is a beast and was classy in defeat.Mike Pyle did a great job also and impressed the hell out of me.I think we've seen the last of Congo in the UFC.
:-(
That knockout was like watching a video game. Both dudes swing with the same hook, only one lands flush. Those are the breaks.
Carlos Condit is a tough motherfucker, Hardy hit him a couple of times and he kept on coming. That catiputles him into the 170 mix. Right up there with Jake Shields, Martin Kampmann, Jon Fitch, and Josh Koscheck.
That knockout was like watching a video game. Both dudes swing with the same hook, only one lands flush. Those are the breaks.
Carlos Condit is a tough motherfucker, Hardy hit him a couple of times and he kept on coming. That catiputles him into the 170 mix. Right up there with Jake Shields, Martin Kampmann, Jon Fitch, and Josh Koscheck.
I love Condit. I was laughing my ass off at how completely mental he looked in his walk out. And yeah, he is tough as nails.
You're right on with your observation on Carlos eating a couple early shots from Hardy. I was a little surprised that he was so willing to trade given Hardy's stand up background and power. I know Rogan and Goldie through out cliche's about fighters wanting to test themselves against another fighter's strength all the time, but I really think that was the case with Condit Saturday. He made pretty convincing statement that he belongs in the title conversation. I would love to see him against any of the guys you just listed and he said he wants the winner of Shields vs. Kampmann. But I think that fight is designed to get a GSP vs. Shields showdown. Kinda like feeding Anderson Chris Leben before having him face Franklin. Get some hype for the title fight by having Shields beat a name who is just threatening enough but someone he should beat. I would also love to see Hardy and Koscheck settle their differences.
And I don't know what was wrong with Kongo. He should have crushed a guy with standup that sloppy and reckless. What was more puzzling was how he was in line for the win until he repeatedly tried to de-pants Brown.
And no matter what the UFC tells me, Michael Bisping is much more marketing tool than Contender at 185. His chin strikes me as very suspect and he can't avoid eating big shots even when he knows they are coming.
Condit is going to have to get in line. Fitch has already said he wants the winner of Shield/Kampmann. 
Kongo needs to get cut already. His showing against Paul was laughable and his latest fight was a joke. Dude gassed big time.
Bipsing sucks. You're right he is there as a marketing tool. He has zero power in his hands.
Kongo needs to get cut already. His showing against Paul was laughable and his latest fight was a joke. Dude gassed big time.
Bipsing sucks. You're right he is there as a marketing tool. He has zero power in his hands.
Man, I don't know how Dana would try to sell Shields vs. Fitch. That's going to the scorecards guaranteed.Condit is going to have to get in line. Fitch has already said he wants the winner of Shield/Kampmann.
Kongo needs to get cut already. His showing against Paul was laughable and his latest fight was a joke. Dude gassed big time.
Bipsing sucks. You're right he is there as a marketing tool. He has zero power in his hands.
Kongo can be an exciting fighter when he wants to and he's come a long way since Joe Rogan said he needed to be kidnapped and held hostage at a wrestling camp after getting dominated by Carmello Morrero.
Has Bisping ever fought anyone really dangerous in their prime? Seriously, Hendo was not the fighter he used to be and he still turned Bisping into a planter with a punch that anyone who fights Dan knows is coming. There are a lot of guys at 185 who would derail the marketing campaign pretty quick.
I still see Dana doing his best to position Bisping into a title fight at some point in the upcoming year, probably taking place in the UK for that matter. Gotta work what angles are left lol.
Predictions on tonight? Got my 5-1 $20 on Cain pulling out the upset, although beyond the friendly odds there i'm having a much easier time envisioning Brock in a relative snoozer, essentially laying on him for the 5 round win.
I hope Tito has a good showing too =).
Since when has Brock Lesnar been labeled as a lay and pray artist? Brock snoozer? What?! That dude finishes fights!
I think Brock takes it via some brutal ground and pound. I don't care how great a college wrestler Cain was, the size difference is huge. It should be a great card.
I think Brock takes it via some brutal ground and pound. I don't care how great a college wrestler Cain was, the size difference is huge. It should be a great card.