The Ultimate Fighting Championship (MMA) Thread
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QUOTE (Myt1 @ May 30 2010, 02:09 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2997033
Rampage didn't do a fucking thing all night. He was outclassed. Your prediction was wrong. Deal with it.
Really? Evans dominated for the most part but Rampage did come very close to knocking him out in the 3rd round.
Rampage didn't do a fucking thing all night. He was outclassed. Your prediction was wrong. Deal with it.
Really? Evans dominated for the most part but Rampage did come very close to knocking him out in the 3rd round.
That's another point, Evans can not take a punch.
Machida dropped him various times and put him on queer street.
Silva connected and put him on queer street as well but he gassed and couldn't finish.
Rampage as well.
Evans v Griffin, he was also taking shots in the stand up and taunting but Griffin doesn't possess heavy hands.
Machida dropped him various times and put him on queer street.
Silva connected and put him on queer street as well but he gassed and couldn't finish.
Rampage as well.
Evans v Griffin, he was also taking shots in the stand up and taunting but Griffin doesn't possess heavy hands.
Nice win for Rashad but if Rampage connects on a few of those shots while Evans was on the ground dazed and Rampage wins that fight.
QUOTE (MarcSullivaFan @ May 30 2010, 10:28 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2997692
Really? Evans dominated for the most part but Rampage did come very close to knocking him out in the 3rd round.
A lot of that was Evans jamming himself on Rampage's knee while trying to shoot from too close. And Rampage didn't land much of anything even while Evans was down. Once Evans recovered a bit, he dominated the rest of the round.
Really? Evans dominated for the most part but Rampage did come very close to knocking him out in the 3rd round.
A lot of that was Evans jamming himself on Rampage's knee while trying to shoot from too close. And Rampage didn't land much of anything even while Evans was down. Once Evans recovered a bit, he dominated the rest of the round.
QUOTE (rembrat @ Jun 1 2010, 11:47 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2998571
The rust was apparent.
Agreed. That's Rampage, though, isn't it? Amazing raw talent, heavy hands, and incredible ground and pound leavened by distractions, out of the ring issues, coaching issues, and lack of a gameplan.
Unless you're just light-years beyond your opponent in skill or strength, there is a cerebral element to the top fights now. If Rampage only has what he showed as a coach in TUF, then maybe he doesn't have enough.
The rust was apparent.
Agreed. That's Rampage, though, isn't it? Amazing raw talent, heavy hands, and incredible ground and pound leavened by distractions, out of the ring issues, coaching issues, and lack of a gameplan.
Unless you're just light-years beyond your opponent in skill or strength, there is a cerebral element to the top fights now. If Rampage only has what he showed as a coach in TUF, then maybe he doesn't have enough.
Rashad clearly had a better camp and better game plan than Rampage. He deserved to win the fight.
That being said he is probably the last guy in the current UFC title hunt that I would pay to see fight. Aside from his fluke win over Griffin, he can only finish guys who are way below his skill level, past their primes, or both. And as much as I would love to see Shogun punt his dome into the club seats, the prospect of watching Evans snuggie his way to a five round title clinching decision is more than enough incentive to pass on the $50.00 PPV Hit.
BTW, DW could have a potential buy rate disaster on his hands if Koscheck, Evans and Sonnen all claim their respective straps and Edgar out points Penn again.
That being said he is probably the last guy in the current UFC title hunt that I would pay to see fight. Aside from his fluke win over Griffin, he can only finish guys who are way below his skill level, past their primes, or both. And as much as I would love to see Shogun punt his dome into the club seats, the prospect of watching Evans snuggie his way to a five round title clinching decision is more than enough incentive to pass on the $50.00 PPV Hit.
BTW, DW could have a potential buy rate disaster on his hands if Koscheck, Evans and Sonnen all claim their respective straps and Edgar out points Penn again.
It's a unlikely doomsday scenario too be sure but it also represents a potential problem that the UFC will face. The wrestler/grappler has always had an advantage in the UFC. The format and the cage were designed by the Gracies for the Gracies to showcase their system and it worked brilliantly. The format, the fighters and the sport itself has changed since the beginning but the cage has remained the same. And as a result, the inherent advantages for the wrestler/grappler still exsist.
A smart fighter like Rashad can use the cagewall and control the action, staying just busy enough to avoid a stand up but never really threatening a finish.
Conversely people may not like Lesnar but the guy has nothing but criminal intentions on his mind when he gets someone down. Just ask Frank Mir. I have no problems with dominate wrestlers as long as there is a legitimate effort to finish the fight.
I am still pissed over the Mousasi/King Mo fight where a guy got literally disfigured on the ground but was awarded the decision because he took his opponent down and held him there.
I don't want the cage to go away and I don't think we need a card system like PRIDE had yet but for this sport to continue to grow it needs to be the exciting and compelling product that many of it's fans fell in love with. Rewarding people for simply holding someone down for a three round decision is not going to help it.
A smart fighter like Rashad can use the cagewall and control the action, staying just busy enough to avoid a stand up but never really threatening a finish.
Conversely people may not like Lesnar but the guy has nothing but criminal intentions on his mind when he gets someone down. Just ask Frank Mir. I have no problems with dominate wrestlers as long as there is a legitimate effort to finish the fight.
I am still pissed over the Mousasi/King Mo fight where a guy got literally disfigured on the ground but was awarded the decision because he took his opponent down and held him there.
I don't want the cage to go away and I don't think we need a card system like PRIDE had yet but for this sport to continue to grow it needs to be the exciting and compelling product that many of it's fans fell in love with. Rewarding people for simply holding someone down for a three round decision is not going to help it.
If Evans were able to do that, I wouldn't criticize him. I'd be upset and critical of Shogun for not being able to defend against it. That said, I'd be shocked if Shogun loses that fight. His TDD isn't anything special, but he's a big 205er and will have more to offer on his back then Rampage or T. Silva.
Rashad had a great game plan, and aside from getting tagged in the 3rd round, executed everything perfectly. I wanted Rampage to win, because I think he is a more entertaining person, but I don't find fault with Rashad.
Its disappointing how critical people are of dominant wrestlers. Its MMA. Find fault with the scoring system that rewards the fighter for basically laying there and controlling their opponent, find fault with the other fighter for not being able to stop it, whatever. I was really upset with Amir for the same thing. Learn to fucking fight off your back, or defend against the TD.
If Rashad were able to do that to Shogun and get his belt, then he'd earned it and I'd be entertained watching it happen.
Rashad had a great game plan, and aside from getting tagged in the 3rd round, executed everything perfectly. I wanted Rampage to win, because I think he is a more entertaining person, but I don't find fault with Rashad.
Its disappointing how critical people are of dominant wrestlers. Its MMA. Find fault with the scoring system that rewards the fighter for basically laying there and controlling their opponent, find fault with the other fighter for not being able to stop it, whatever. I was really upset with Amir for the same thing. Learn to fucking fight off your back, or defend against the TD.
If Rashad were able to do that to Shogun and get his belt, then he'd earned it and I'd be entertained watching it happen.
QUOTE (hunter05 @ Jun 2 2010, 04:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3000534
"Learn to fucking fight off your back"
As I said above, Mousasi destroyed King Mo from the Bottom and he Mo still won that fight.
MMA simply does not reward someone for being active from the bottom often enough for my liking and that fight just emphasizes the point. Mo, one of the best wrestlers in MMA, had two choices in that fight, Stand and get KO'd or take Mousasi down, where Mousasi made him look like a stunt double for a Mask sequel.
Laying on top of someone and winning a fight are two different things.
"Learn to fucking fight off your back"
As I said above, Mousasi destroyed King Mo from the Bottom and he Mo still won that fight.
MMA simply does not reward someone for being active from the bottom often enough for my liking and that fight just emphasizes the point. Mo, one of the best wrestlers in MMA, had two choices in that fight, Stand and get KO'd or take Mousasi down, where Mousasi made him look like a stunt double for a Mask sequel.
Laying on top of someone and winning a fight are two different things.
QUOTE (Curtis_Lesspanic @ Jun 2 2010, 04:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3000524
It's a unlikely doomsday scenario too be sure but it also represents a potential problem that the UFC will face. The wrestler/grappler has always had an advantage in the UFC. The format and the cage were designed by the Gracies for the Gracies to showcase their system and it worked brilliantly. The format, the fighters and the sport itself has changed since the beginning but the cage has remained the same. And as a result, the inherent advantages for the wrestler/grappler still exsist.
Totally agree with you here. I've never gotten into any MMA organization that utilizes the cage for the sole reason that it naturally favors the wrestler/grappler fighter. I know I've probably missed a few really good fights as a result of this, but I simply have no desire to see one guy hold another guy down for 15 minutes. To me it's boring as fuck and ranks right up there with watching a John Ruiz clinch fest boxing.
It's a unlikely doomsday scenario too be sure but it also represents a potential problem that the UFC will face. The wrestler/grappler has always had an advantage in the UFC. The format and the cage were designed by the Gracies for the Gracies to showcase their system and it worked brilliantly. The format, the fighters and the sport itself has changed since the beginning but the cage has remained the same. And as a result, the inherent advantages for the wrestler/grappler still exsist.
Totally agree with you here. I've never gotten into any MMA organization that utilizes the cage for the sole reason that it naturally favors the wrestler/grappler fighter. I know I've probably missed a few really good fights as a result of this, but I simply have no desire to see one guy hold another guy down for 15 minutes. To me it's boring as fuck and ranks right up there with watching a John Ruiz clinch fest boxing.
QUOTE (Curtis_Lesspanic @ Jun 2 2010, 05:05 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3000543
As I said above, Mousasi destroyed King Mo from the Bottom and he Mo still won that fight.
I watched that fight, I wouldn't say King Mo got destroyed. Mousasi was trying to be aggressive, but his strikes from the ground didn't outweigh Mo's TDs.
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MMA simply does not reward someone for being active from the bottom often enough for my liking and that fight just emphasizes the point.
Its the scoring system and some of the idiot judges out there. I do agree that there are times when the fighter on the bottom is being more aggressive and controlling the action, but I don't ever recall feeling like a fighter won a round off of his back.
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Mo, one of the best wrestlers in MMA, had two choices in that fight, Stand and get KO'd or take Mousasi down, where Mousasi made him look like a stunt double for a Mask sequel.
Exactly, Mo used his wrestling to negate Mousasi's striking. And Mo's face wasn't that bad, lets not get crazy.
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Laying on top of someone and winning a fight are two different things.
Well, not necessarily. If you're able to get someone down and hold them there, you're doing something right and the other person has no ground game. I'm growing a bit tired of the criticism.
As I said above, Mousasi destroyed King Mo from the Bottom and he Mo still won that fight.
I watched that fight, I wouldn't say King Mo got destroyed. Mousasi was trying to be aggressive, but his strikes from the ground didn't outweigh Mo's TDs.
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MMA simply does not reward someone for being active from the bottom often enough for my liking and that fight just emphasizes the point.
Its the scoring system and some of the idiot judges out there. I do agree that there are times when the fighter on the bottom is being more aggressive and controlling the action, but I don't ever recall feeling like a fighter won a round off of his back.
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Mo, one of the best wrestlers in MMA, had two choices in that fight, Stand and get KO'd or take Mousasi down, where Mousasi made him look like a stunt double for a Mask sequel.
Exactly, Mo used his wrestling to negate Mousasi's striking. And Mo's face wasn't that bad, lets not get crazy.
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Laying on top of someone and winning a fight are two different things.
Well, not necessarily. If you're able to get someone down and hold them there, you're doing something right and the other person has no ground game. I'm growing a bit tired of the criticism.
QUOTE (Statman @ Jun 2 2010, 05:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3000549
Totally agree with you here. I've never gotten into any MMA organization that utilizes the cage for the sole reason that it naturally favors the wrestler/grappler fighter.
Well, as much as you say it helps, it can also stop a TD.
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I know I've probably missed a few really good fights as a result of this, but I simply have no desire to see one guy hold another guy down for 15 minutes. To me it's boring as fuck and ranks right up there with watching a John Ruiz clinch fest boxing.
I mean how often are we really watching fights where the other guy is literally laying on top of the other fighter? I think a lot of people say this because they aren't interested in watching grappling, period, regardless of how good or bad it might be.
Totally agree with you here. I've never gotten into any MMA organization that utilizes the cage for the sole reason that it naturally favors the wrestler/grappler fighter.
Well, as much as you say it helps, it can also stop a TD.
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I know I've probably missed a few really good fights as a result of this, but I simply have no desire to see one guy hold another guy down for 15 minutes. To me it's boring as fuck and ranks right up there with watching a John Ruiz clinch fest boxing.
I mean how often are we really watching fights where the other guy is literally laying on top of the other fighter? I think a lot of people say this because they aren't interested in watching grappling, period, regardless of how good or bad it might be.
http://www.sherdog.com/pictures/gallery/event/23944/109006
Given that Mousasi's face looked no worse for wear and that Mo dictated where the fight took place I'd say he still lost.
Given that Mousasi's face looked no worse for wear and that Mo dictated where the fight took place I'd say he still lost.
QUOTE (hunter05 @ Jun 3 2010, 01:01 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3002177
You think Mousasi won that fight? Really? Thankfully fights aren't won and lost based on appearance.
I think Mousasi won that fight because he did more damage and did the vast majority of it from a position that should have favored King Mo.
Sorry but simply taking down a fighter and keeping him down isn't enough to win a fight when he inflicts more damage from the bottom.
Mousasi obviously landed the cleaner strikes was more active from the bottom and consistently defended Mo's attempts to improve position. In fact, there were times in that fight that Mo was literally resting in guard, prompting stand ups and calls for action from the ref.
Call me crazy but that isn't how you earn a strap around your waist.
You think Mousasi won that fight? Really? Thankfully fights aren't won and lost based on appearance.
I think Mousasi won that fight because he did more damage and did the vast majority of it from a position that should have favored King Mo.
Sorry but simply taking down a fighter and keeping him down isn't enough to win a fight when he inflicts more damage from the bottom.
Mousasi obviously landed the cleaner strikes was more active from the bottom and consistently defended Mo's attempts to improve position. In fact, there were times in that fight that Mo was literally resting in guard, prompting stand ups and calls for action from the ref.
Call me crazy but that isn't how you earn a strap around your waist.
I actually had Mousasi winning that fight as well. Mousasi landed more strikes from the bottom than Mo did. Really, I'm only interested in wrestling when the wrestler uses his position to land some serious damage. Simple leverage does not interest me in the slightest bit.
With the Chuck/Ace fight almost upon us and given recent developments I wanted to ask a fairly simple question.
Given the recent frustrations with fighters looking to simply control a fight to win via decision which PPV main events would you be more likely to watch/pay for?
A fight between two guys like Franklin and Chuck who aren't really relevant anymore in terms of title contention but will almost undoubtedly bring fireworks. Or a fight with guys like Rashad and Koscheck who are absolutely in title contention and are facing very relevant opponents, but when faced with a legitimate challenge, more often than not will simply seek to control their opponent for the win.
I don't know about everyone else but I was more than happy with my PPV purchase of Rich Franklin and Wanderlei Silva, a fight that was pretty much meaningless (and on tape delay) aside from it's entertainment factor. Conversely I want to send my payment in pennies every time I see a card where guys are content to turn what can be one of the most exciting sports around into full contact figure skating.
Given the recent frustrations with fighters looking to simply control a fight to win via decision which PPV main events would you be more likely to watch/pay for?
A fight between two guys like Franklin and Chuck who aren't really relevant anymore in terms of title contention but will almost undoubtedly bring fireworks. Or a fight with guys like Rashad and Koscheck who are absolutely in title contention and are facing very relevant opponents, but when faced with a legitimate challenge, more often than not will simply seek to control their opponent for the win.
I don't know about everyone else but I was more than happy with my PPV purchase of Rich Franklin and Wanderlei Silva, a fight that was pretty much meaningless (and on tape delay) aside from it's entertainment factor. Conversely I want to send my payment in pennies every time I see a card where guys are content to turn what can be one of the most exciting sports around into full contact figure skating.
QUOTE (Curtis_Lesspanic @ Jun 9 2010, 02:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3014823
With the Chuck/Ace fight almost upon us and given recent developments I wanted to ask a fairly simple question.
Given the recent frustrations with fighters looking to simply control a fight to win via decision which PPV main events would you be more likely to watch/pay for?
A fight between two guys like Franklin and Chuck who aren't really relevant anymore in terms of title contention but will almost undoubtedly bring fireworks. Or a fight with guys like Rashad and Koscheck who are absolutely in title contention and are facing very relevant opponents, but when faced with a legitimate challenge, more often than not will simply seek to control their opponent for the win.
I don't know about everyone else but I was more than happy with my PPV purchase of Rich Franklin and Wanderlei Silva, a fight that was pretty much meaningless (and on tape delay) aside from it's entertainment factor. Conversely I want to send my payment in pennies every time I see a card where guys are content to turn what can be one of the most exciting sports around into full contact figure skating.
For me it's about fights either being finished or just being wild like the Jung-Garcia fight. But it's not all about stand up for me and I think that is where a lot of fans lie with the UFC. Anytime a fight goes to the ground they will be disappointed, but if that is what they want they should really be watching kickboxing not MMA. I do agree that top wrestlers who just get takedowns and maneuver enough to not get stood up are boring as hell. If a guy is not trying to finish a fight either from a submission or ground and pound then I can see feeling like you wasted your money. Personally I am not sure Rashad is at that point yet though. He still will throw and has somewhat heavy hands.
With the Chuck/Ace fight almost upon us and given recent developments I wanted to ask a fairly simple question.
Given the recent frustrations with fighters looking to simply control a fight to win via decision which PPV main events would you be more likely to watch/pay for?
A fight between two guys like Franklin and Chuck who aren't really relevant anymore in terms of title contention but will almost undoubtedly bring fireworks. Or a fight with guys like Rashad and Koscheck who are absolutely in title contention and are facing very relevant opponents, but when faced with a legitimate challenge, more often than not will simply seek to control their opponent for the win.
I don't know about everyone else but I was more than happy with my PPV purchase of Rich Franklin and Wanderlei Silva, a fight that was pretty much meaningless (and on tape delay) aside from it's entertainment factor. Conversely I want to send my payment in pennies every time I see a card where guys are content to turn what can be one of the most exciting sports around into full contact figure skating.
For me it's about fights either being finished or just being wild like the Jung-Garcia fight. But it's not all about stand up for me and I think that is where a lot of fans lie with the UFC. Anytime a fight goes to the ground they will be disappointed, but if that is what they want they should really be watching kickboxing not MMA. I do agree that top wrestlers who just get takedowns and maneuver enough to not get stood up are boring as hell. If a guy is not trying to finish a fight either from a submission or ground and pound then I can see feeling like you wasted your money. Personally I am not sure Rashad is at that point yet though. He still will throw and has somewhat heavy hands.
QUOTE (NickEsasky @ Jun 9 2010, 03:18 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3014907
For me it's about fights either being finished or just being wild like the Jung-Garcia fight. But it's not all about stand up for me and I think that is where a lot of fans lie with the UFC. Anytime a fight goes to the ground they will be disappointed, but if that is what they want they should really be watching kickboxing not MMA. I do agree that top wrestlers who just get takedowns and maneuver enough to not get stood up are boring as hell. If a guy is not trying to finish a fight either from a submission or ground and pound then I can see feeling like you wasted your money. Personally I am not sure Rashad is at that point yet though. He still will throw and has somewhat heavy hands.
Don't get me wrong, I love a good strategic scrap on the ground. I'm just saying I would love to see more fights go the way of Sakuraba vs Newton than the controlling from the top with just enough half hearted guard passes and moderately significant strikes to win the fight that has become common place.
In terms of Evans, I think the cerebral scrambling he took from Machida has convinced him that the going for Sean Salmon/Chuck Liddell Highlight KO's aren't worth the risk anymore.
For me it's about fights either being finished or just being wild like the Jung-Garcia fight. But it's not all about stand up for me and I think that is where a lot of fans lie with the UFC. Anytime a fight goes to the ground they will be disappointed, but if that is what they want they should really be watching kickboxing not MMA. I do agree that top wrestlers who just get takedowns and maneuver enough to not get stood up are boring as hell. If a guy is not trying to finish a fight either from a submission or ground and pound then I can see feeling like you wasted your money. Personally I am not sure Rashad is at that point yet though. He still will throw and has somewhat heavy hands.
Don't get me wrong, I love a good strategic scrap on the ground. I'm just saying I would love to see more fights go the way of Sakuraba vs Newton than the controlling from the top with just enough half hearted guard passes and moderately significant strikes to win the fight that has become common place.
In terms of Evans, I think the cerebral scrambling he took from Machida has convinced him that the going for Sean Salmon/Chuck Liddell Highlight KO's aren't worth the risk anymore.
QUOTE (Curtis_Lesspanic @ Jun 9 2010, 03:59 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3014971
Don't get me wrong, I love a good strategic scrap on the ground. I'm just saying I would love to see more fights go the way of Sakuraba vs Newton than the controlling from the top with just enough half hearted guard passes and moderately significant strikes to win the fight that has become common place.
In terms of Evans, I think the cerebral scrambling he took from Machida has convinced him that the going for Sean Salmon/Chuck Liddell Highlight KO's aren't worth the risk anymore.
I don't disagree but unless they change the scoring system the onus is on the other guys to learn to defend take downs or find a way to get the wrestler on his back once you are taken down. Doesn't matter what the holes in your game are, in today's MMA guys are good enough to find ways to exploit them. If the hole in your game is you can't sprawl to defend a take down then don't be surprised when some wrestler shoots, takes you down, and smothers you. It may suck for fans, but these guys have a living to make and you make a better one by winning.
Don't get me wrong, I love a good strategic scrap on the ground. I'm just saying I would love to see more fights go the way of Sakuraba vs Newton than the controlling from the top with just enough half hearted guard passes and moderately significant strikes to win the fight that has become common place.
In terms of Evans, I think the cerebral scrambling he took from Machida has convinced him that the going for Sean Salmon/Chuck Liddell Highlight KO's aren't worth the risk anymore.
I don't disagree but unless they change the scoring system the onus is on the other guys to learn to defend take downs or find a way to get the wrestler on his back once you are taken down. Doesn't matter what the holes in your game are, in today's MMA guys are good enough to find ways to exploit them. If the hole in your game is you can't sprawl to defend a take down then don't be surprised when some wrestler shoots, takes you down, and smothers you. It may suck for fans, but these guys have a living to make and you make a better one by winning.
My hate for the control game is evident but I don't hate all ground fights. Brilz/Lil' Nog was an awesome fight that mostly took place on the ground. Lil' Nog swept from the bottom and almost choked Brilz out and on the flip, Brilz was always working to better his position. That shit was cool. Fights like that can be entertaining.
And I disagree, I think Rashad has clearly adapted a new game plan. The new hybrid in MMA, a.k.a the GSP way. He is probably the most explosive takedown artist in the game but once he gets you on the ground he kinda sucks, he can't pass at will.
And I disagree, I think Rashad has clearly adapted a new game plan. The new hybrid in MMA, a.k.a the GSP way. He is probably the most explosive takedown artist in the game but once he gets you on the ground he kinda sucks, he can't pass at will.
QUOTE (rembrat @ Jun 10 2010, 09:13 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3017297
Sweet bejesus, check Chuck out
Holy shit. He might kill Franklin.
Sweet bejesus, check Chuck out
Holy shit. He might kill Franklin.
Dude has changed his life around, he stopped drinking. And he has been training since around November. The timeline goes something like:
November to January - training for the TUF show
During the show - 7 week minicamp
After the show - off-season training
Then the actual camp for the fight
He is rededicated.
November to January - training for the TUF show
During the show - 7 week minicamp
After the show - off-season training
Then the actual camp for the fight
He is rededicated.
I suspect there is a PX90 endorsement behind all this.
He looks amazing. I wonder how this will effect his cut to 205.
And not to be a negative Nancy but the last time I was this impressed seeing a guy change his physique before a big fight was for Chris Leben and then we found out he'd been supplement shopping from the East German GNC catalog.
He looks amazing. I wonder how this will effect his cut to 205.
And not to be a negative Nancy but the last time I was this impressed seeing a guy change his physique before a big fight was for Chris Leben and then we found out he'd been supplement shopping from the East German GNC catalog.
Was very impressed with Dunham. How he held the choke after being slammed was extremely impressive.
As much as I want Chuck to fight forever the reality of the situation is that he should be done. It's not fun seeing Chuck getting starched over and over just so we might get a quick glimpse of what was.
The question is will Chuck agree? I know he would probably have a job for life with the UFC but I just hope he can resist pulling a Ken Shamrock and cloud his legacy with a string of ill advised bouts. I'd hate to see a guy who once dominated at 205 getting set up to put over some questionable talent ala Ken vs. Kimbo.
The question is will Chuck agree? I know he would probably have a job for life with the UFC but I just hope he can resist pulling a Ken Shamrock and cloud his legacy with a string of ill advised bouts. I'd hate to see a guy who once dominated at 205 getting set up to put over some questionable talent ala Ken vs. Kimbo.
- If Jardine can't beat Hamill then it's time to start fighting on the prelims. Hamill is too damn slow and Jardine still has those effective leg kicks. The only thing I fear is Hamill landing his hands on Jardine's weak ass chin. I want Jardine to win but I have to say Hamill by decision.
- I want Court to win the TUF Finals. Savage is just another lay and pray artist who gasses really bad.
- Rich Attonito is going to absolutely destroy Jamie Yager. Please, I can't stand Afro Quitter.
- Fisher v Silver should be a nice little standup war.
- I want Court to win the TUF Finals. Savage is just another lay and pray artist who gasses really bad.
- Rich Attonito is going to absolutely destroy Jamie Yager. Please, I can't stand Afro Quitter.
- Fisher v Silver should be a nice little standup war.
Wandy is out for UFC 116 and Leben is filling in, only a couple of weeks after he last fought.
I wasn't a Leben fan when he was on TUF and right after but I've come to respect him. He'll fight anyone.
I wasn't a Leben fan when he was on TUF and right after but I've come to respect him. He'll fight anyone.
Yup and Akiyama is not pleased in the slightest. Check out these comments:
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I am not pleased with the change. There are just ten days left until the contest for me to determine [Chris Leben’s] threats and the time is insufficient to establish a tailored gameplan. Leben is also not as high-profile as [Wanderlei] Silva and that does not help me."
"If there is to be a replacement I was hoping for a big name. I spent one year preparing hard for this fight and this news has come as a big disappointment, my motivation has waned. I do not know yet what will happen. .. In the worst case, I will not take part in the [UFC 116] event. We are working hard to resolve this issue."
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I am not pleased with the change. There are just ten days left until the contest for me to determine [Chris Leben’s] threats and the time is insufficient to establish a tailored gameplan. Leben is also not as high-profile as [Wanderlei] Silva and that does not help me."
"If there is to be a replacement I was hoping for a big name. I spent one year preparing hard for this fight and this news has come as a big disappointment, my motivation has waned. I do not know yet what will happen. .. In the worst case, I will not take part in the [UFC 116] event. We are working hard to resolve this issue."
QUOTE (rembrat @ Jun 24 2010, 08:43 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3044007
Yup and Akiyama is not pleased in the slightest. Check out these comments:
Akiyama has a point about Leben not being as big a name as Silva, but Leben has a 20-6 record (Akiyama is 13-1-2) and a lot of name recognition in the UFC.
Plus, if Akiyama bows out Dana is gonna be pissed.
Yup and Akiyama is not pleased in the slightest. Check out these comments:
Akiyama has a point about Leben not being as big a name as Silva, but Leben has a 20-6 record (Akiyama is 13-1-2) and a lot of name recognition in the UFC.
Plus, if Akiyama bows out Dana is gonna be pissed.
QUOTE (rembrat @ Jun 18 2010, 03:34 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3032936
- If Jardine can't beat Hamill then it's time to start fighting on the prelims. Hamill is too damn slow and Jardine still has those effective leg kicks. The only thing I fear is Hamill landing his hands on Jardine's weak ass chin. I want Jardine to win but I have to say Hamill by decision.
The Dean has been cut from the UFC. His inevitable, epic Techno Viking entrance will have to go down for Strikeforce.
- If Jardine can't beat Hamill then it's time to start fighting on the prelims. Hamill is too damn slow and Jardine still has those effective leg kicks. The only thing I fear is Hamill landing his hands on Jardine's weak ass chin. I want Jardine to win but I have to say Hamill by decision.
The Dean has been cut from the UFC. His inevitable, epic Techno Viking entrance will have to go down for Strikeforce.
QUOTE (rembrat @ Jun 18 2010, 03:34 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3032936
- Rich Attonito is going to absolutely destroy Jamie Yager. Please, I can't stand Afro Quitter.
I was astounded that Yager got another fight after that. Think it might have been a style/look gift?
- Rich Attonito is going to absolutely destroy Jamie Yager. Please, I can't stand Afro Quitter.
I was astounded that Yager got another fight after that. Think it might have been a style/look gift?
Guys like Jamie Yager are the reson why I will never be too critical of fighters like Josh Haynes, to keep this analogy TUF-centric. Yager has no heart and all the talent in the world and Haynes is obviously limited skill-wise but you almost need the medical examiner to zip him in a bag to stop him.
Another problem for Akiyama is that he's not only going to be smaller than Leben come fight time but Leben will probably have more in his tank at 185 than Silva. Akiyama, like many Japanese fighters, don't cut weight. They walk around at their fight weights. Wandy has had some difficulty cutting to 185 after spending his prime at Light Heavy. Leben has been a 185lb fighter his whole career and will be able to bring his usual aggressive pace to go along with his granite chin and power shots.
I feel bad for Jardine because he's obviously a skilled fighter, he doesn't put on any stinkers and he's gone up against tough fighter after tough fighter. In all honesty, keeping Jardine around to face the winner of the Bonner/Sozynski fight wouldn't have been a awful thing.
Another problem for Akiyama is that he's not only going to be smaller than Leben come fight time but Leben will probably have more in his tank at 185 than Silva. Akiyama, like many Japanese fighters, don't cut weight. They walk around at their fight weights. Wandy has had some difficulty cutting to 185 after spending his prime at Light Heavy. Leben has been a 185lb fighter his whole career and will be able to bring his usual aggressive pace to go along with his granite chin and power shots.
I feel bad for Jardine because he's obviously a skilled fighter, he doesn't put on any stinkers and he's gone up against tough fighter after tough fighter. In all honesty, keeping Jardine around to face the winner of the Bonner/Sozynski fight wouldn't have been a awful thing.
Does anybody know where I can find a stream of the Fedor fight tonight? It's not on atdhe.net's lineup. Thanks in advance.