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Jumping back in after reading about this in the morning.

So if Bedard is correct, basically Kraft intervened not to demand that Belichick trade Garropolo and keep Brady to perpetuity -- but accelerate the trade timeline from the coming offseason (when Jimmy would be franchised and, hence, unaffordable for the 2018 season) to the trade deadline during the 2017 season to ease Brady a bit. And supposedly no one--Kraft/BB/Brady--is happy about all of this but no one is prepared to act rashly either.

I find this take both believable and to make a certain amount of sense. It also lines up with what I remember Curran writing this am.
 

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I think he’s already regressed at least 5-10% this year, and will likely do so again next year. And you’re assuming he doesn’t suddenly regress 30, 40, 50% suddenly in one year.

I think they’re equals ~2-3 years. Jimmy G is an excellent quarterback.

And let’s be honest about the MVP thing (which people keep bringing up): it’s Gurley. Brady will win because of his position, but Gurley had an unbelievable year and is going to be robbed of the award.

Also: play across the league seemed down this year. Brady had a great year, but compared to years past, he didn’t blow anyone away. He’s going to win because QBs have an inherent advantage in voting and so many other QBs suck in the NFL. And Rodgers was injured for a large portion of the year.
Who did Gurley blow away? His performance in 2017 was pretty much your run of the mill production for the NFL's leading rusher. It's not like he had a 2012 Adrian Peterson type season. Was David Johnson robbed of the MVP last year? Because he had more all purpose yards than Gurley did in 2017.

And the notion that one can make a definitive statement that Jimmy G is an "excellent quarterback" 7 starts into his career is downright laughable.
 

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I struggle to understand why people don’t view a one-year investment of $24M in an extremely talented backup quarterback that could then take over the reigns a year later as anything but a short-term sacrifice for a rock-solid long-term investment.

Well, I do understand - it’s really bred out of undying loyalty to TB12 - but I don’t understand how so many normally rational thinkers pocket their better judgement in favor of grasping onto a player that’s very close to becoming a nostalgia act.

***ducks***
If Brady announced his intention, even privately, to retire after 2018 that makes sense. But there was some likelihood of this whole thing happening again next year with the Pats investing $24M for someone who would leave after 2018. Unless they tagged him again then.
 

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I never said using an anonymous source was bad. I merely said that the author needed to tighten up the sources because of credibility issues.

The throwaway was just speculation/devils advocate on who might be a source... someone who might invalidate my thought process. Keep an open mind and all... Feel free to snark away :)
No, I was just picturing some dude calling ESPN saying he was Guerrero and them believing him and running with it.
I know what you meant. Just making light of this whole thing because I think that's all it deserves.
 

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But if you are telling Brady to drive a car w/ 3 wheels in 2018 you may as well just trade him instead and roll w/ JG (pun intentional).
Three wheels because they don’t, say, re-sign Butler and try to fill the o-line with picks and FA’s that can work with Scar?

This isn’t about Brady. That’s the fundamental difference in thinking here. This is about the Patriots.

And if you think a roster with Jules, Gronk, Cooks, a decent running game, and average talent on D coached by BB is shortchanging Brady, I really don’t know how to respond to that.
 

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I struggle to understand why people don’t view a one-year investment of $24M in an extremely talented backup quarterback that could then take over the reigns a year later as anything but a short-term sacrifice for a rock-solid long-term investment.

Well, I do understand - it’s really bred out of undying loyalty to TB12 - but I don’t understand how so many normally rational thinkers pocket their better judgement in favor of grasping onto a player that’s very close to becoming a nostalgia act.
Well, what's the surplus value of Jimmy G on a deal that makes him like a top 5-10 highest paid quarterback in the NFL? Is it $24MM of cap space on a team that's a favorite to win the Super Bowl heading into the year (with the obvious Brady age caveat)? I dont know. Maybe. If JGs a Hall of Famer, its well above that. If he's Matt Stafford/Kirk Cousins its probably flat to negative Both seem in the range of outcomes to me, so I dont really see it as a fist pump man look at all that value created situation. Plus I dont view the long-term investment as definite. A franchise tag just keeps JG under contract for '18 and creates an even more expensive option for '19 and '20. That's it. What's the plan if Tom Brady plays at a high level again in 2018? Move on regardless after another ring or MVP or two? Franchise tag number two? How much leverage do the Pats have in the extension if JG has told them he wants to start somewhere in '18 and then the Pats tag him? "Hey, we paid you $24MM not to play last year and have anointed you the heir to Tom Brady, how about you take a bottom half starting quarterback contract to play for a 67 year old coach and stay off the open market"? Maybe it works after JG has collected the cash from the franchise tag, I dont know, but it doesnt seem certain. Given that BB seemed to like JG and is not an idiot, it seems likely that JG wasnt looking to sign some sort of bridge extension (the time to do that would have been last offseason at the latest). So I just dont see how keeping two QBs next year was superior to just moving on from one of them.

And again, I think there's a pretty decent case for taking the full measure of just moving on from Brady and going with Jimmy G after this season, but I hate the half measure of paying JG an expensive option to sit on the bench for another year. My reasons for wanting them not to do it are strictly fan preference and I agree with you that its the one player where Kraft is going to have a say in personnel decisions. I just personally dont see it as the affront to BB that some do, rules have special case exceptions and this is the definition of a special case.

EDIT: disagree pretty strongly about the MVP case for the same reason trying to keep JG at an expensive number is even an option worth discussing. A run of the mill excellent RB season is never more valuable than a run of the mill elite QB season, and that's kind of what we have here. Whatever if Gurley wins a voted award, but in terms of just "value added on the football field", there's no way Gurley is more valuable than Brady. Brady's team had the better record to boot.
 

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Three wheels because they don’t, say, re-sign Butler and try to fill the o-line with picks and FA’s that can work with Scar?

This isn’t about Brady. That’s the fundamental difference in thinking here. This is about the Patriots.

And if you think a roster with Jules, Gronk, Cooks, a decent running game, and average talent on D coached by BB is shortchanging Brady, I really don’t know how to respond to that.
Not being snarky, but if you think asking Brady (who has over his entire career sacrificed money so the team could be better at other positions) that he has to QB a team with a $24M arm tied behind its back isn't driving with 3 wheels, then I don't know how to respond to that. This team has never been constructed in the BB era to be average (on D or anywhere else), if you constrain the team to that you've already failed in my opinion.

Fake Edit: Maybe other than to fix the post so I'm mixing less metaphors... that I could do.
Real Edit: Letting topic go, per dope...
 

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I think if the plan was to tag-and-trade Jimmy he certainly would have had some leverage about his destination but that the incentives of everybody involved would have been to get something wrapped up quickly. The Patriots would want to move on. Jimmy would want things to happen relatively fast, before teams looked at other options or started to think too much about the draft. And assuming a competitive market, buyers would be incentivized to move quickly with real offers.

The most likely scenario is that it would have worked similar to the Cassel tag-and-trade and everything would have been wrapped up around the beginning of March.
Well yeah, agreed, but if that's the case how much more are they gonna get than #40 or w/e they got this year with JG not taking the field this year and a, what, six 1st round QB draft in April as well a likely fair amount of potential veterans of different stripes (Taylor, Smith, Cousins for starters)? They traded Cassel and Vrabel for #33, right?
 

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Not being snarky, but if you think asking Brady (who has over his entire career sacrificed money so the team could be better at other positions) that he has to QB a team with a $24M arm tied behind its back isn't driving with 3 wheels, then I don't know how to respond to that. This team has never been constructed in the BB era to be average (on D or anywhere else), if you constrain the team to that you've already failed in my opinion.

Fake Edit: Maybe other than to fix the post so I'm mixing less metaphors... that I could do.
I’m not allowed to talk about this anymore here. Bring it to the other thread, I guess.
 

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EDIT: disagree pretty strongly about the MVP case for the same reason trying to keep JG at an expensive number is even an option worth discussing. A run of the mill excellent RB season is never more valuable than a run of the mill elite QB season, and that's kind of what we have here. Whatever if Gurley wins a voted award, but in terms of just "value added on the football field", there's no way Gurley is more valuable than Brady. Brady's team had the better record to boot.
Strongly agree with this. The QB is far more valuable. Just the nature of the game.
 

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And let’s be honest about the MVP thing (which people keep bringing up): it’s Gurley. Brady will win because of his position, but Gurley had an unbelievable year and is going to be robbed of the award.

Also: play across the league seemed down this year. Brady had a great year, but compared to years past, he didn’t blow anyone away. He’s going to win because QBs have an inherent advantage in voting and so many other QBs suck in the NFL. And Rodgers was injured for a large portion of the year.
QBs have an inherent advantage in voting because QBs are inherently more valuable in today's league.There were probably at least half dozen QBs more valuable than Gurley.

You really are coming from a position of ignorance when it comes to their respective years. Gurley is second among RB is rushing DYAR (total value) and a VERY DISTANT fourth in DVOA (value per play). In receiving, he was second in DYAR and SIXTH in DVOA. Alvin Kamara was almost certainly more valuable than Gurley.

Brady, meanwhile was #1 in total value, with a DYAR more than 10% greater than his nearest competitor, and only a fraction of a percent in second in DVOA.
 

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Well, what's the surplus value of Jimmy G on a deal that makes him like a top 5-10 highest paid quarterback in the NFL? Is it $24MM of cap space on a team that's a favorite to win the Super Bowl heading into the year (with the obvious Brady age caveat)? I dont know. Maybe. If JGs a Hall of Famer, its well above that. If he's Matt Stafford/Kirk Cousins its probably flat to negative Both seem in the range of outcomes to me, so I dont really see it as a fist pump man look at all that value created situation.
A lot of this really just depends on whether one thinks QBs in general are accurately compensated for their contributions to winning. If you think that the NFL is sort of like MLB, where the top players receive salaries that pretty fairly reflect their value, then paying Kirk Cousins $22M must be pretty stupid given that Aaron Rodgers is only getting $25M (or whatever). On the other hand, if you think that the NFL is actually more like the NBA, with the salaries of top QBs effectively held down by various factors, such that a guy like Aaron Rodgers is vastly underpaid, then maybe paying Kirk Cousins $22M - or Jimmy Garoppolo something similar - is a pretty good idea given the alternatives. Lots of teams will be lining up to give Paul George and Boogie Cousins max contracts in the NBA next summer. The fact that they'll be among the highest paid players in the league, on par with players like Lebron or KD that are clearly superior, doesn't necessarily make that a bad idea.
 

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Well yeah, agreed, but if that's the case how much more are they gonna get than #40 or w/e they got this year with JG not taking the field this year and a, what, six 1st round QBs available draft as well a fair amount of potential veterans of different stripes? They traded Cassel and Vrabel for #33, right?
I agree with this take - if JG didn't take any snaps this year (or just garbage time, whatever), you'd have to give up a top 40 pick plus pay him $20-$25M a year. Teams picking early in the second round also have early first round picks, and there are some studs in the draft (maybe). I'd rather roll the dice on a Darnold or Rosen or even an early 2nd round pick who won't cost me all that $.
 

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I think he’s already regressed at least 5-10% this year, and will likely do so again next year. And you’re assuming he doesn’t suddenly regress 30, 40, 50% suddenly in one year.

I think they’re equals ~2-3 years. Jimmy G is an excellent quarterback.

And let’s be honest about the MVP thing (which people keep bringing up): it’s Gurley. Brady will win because of his position, but Gurley had an unbelievable year and is going to be robbed of the award.

Also: play across the league seemed down this year. Brady had a great year, but compared to years past, he didn’t blow anyone away. He’s going to win because QBs have an inherent advantage in voting and so many other QBs suck in the NFL. And Rodgers was injured for a large portion of the year.
Your insane if you think he already has dropped 5-10% and will be equals with Jimmy soon. Brady just threw for the 5th most yards of his career at age 40 which led the NFL. His completion percentage was right along the lines where it has always been along with another season of 30 plus TD passes and he did this without his best receiver (Edelman) and another key receiver (Hogan) for most of the season as well. I like Jimmy and think what he did was great but he essentially beat teams that either were not good or rested people down the stretch.
 

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Well yeah, agreed, but if that's the case how much more are they gonna get than #40 or w/e they got this year with JG not taking the field this year and a, what, six 1st round QB draft in April as well a likely fair amount of potential veterans of different stripes (Taylor, Smith, Cousins for starters)? They traded Cassel and Vrabel for #33, right?
Oh yeah, I definitely agree. I don't think they get meaningfully more than #40 in that scenario (and they could get less). The reason to hold onto JG rather than trading him mid-season is to have a better backup for the second half and to keep your options open, not because you're going to get some kind of king's ransom after a tag.
 

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I love how in his amazing, awe-inspiring 5 game stretch, Jimmy threw 5 interceptions, but Brady throwing 6 picks in his last 6 games is a sign that the cliff is fast approaching.
 

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A lot of this really just depends on whether one thinks QBs in general are accurately compensated for their contributions to winning. If you think that the NFL is sort of like MLB, where the top players receive salaries that pretty fairly reflect their value, then paying Kirk Cousins $22M must be pretty stupid given that Aaron Rodgers is only getting $25M (or whatever). On the other hand, if you think that the NFL is actually more like the NBA, with the salaries of top QBs effectively held down by various factors, such that a guy like Aaron Rodgers is vastly underpaid, then maybe paying Kirk Cousins $22M - or Jimmy Garoppolo something similar - is a pretty good idea given the alternatives.
I think the options are bad and bad once a team reaches the point of "should we pay Joe Flacco all the money" and it caps what a team can do in terms of trying to win Super Bowls. Id pay Aaron Rodgers or Brady in his prime some absurd amount a year and not think twice if the option was not having Brady or Rodgers. With decent quarterbacks who can win if you put the right pieces around them, Im not sure its a viable title strategy. Now, having BB as the coach would seem to be one of the better situations for that kind of approach. But, as SN has pointed out, the title contenders in today's NFL seem to be either teams with elite QBs or good QBs on cheap contracts. We see a lot of these higher paid/middling guys in relevant week 17 games and on wild card weekend.

JG was (and still somewhat is) more of an unknown, which carries plusses and minuses to a big contract. But, for example, we know less about JG than we did about David Carr when he signed a big deal last year and, while it may eventually work out, Id be pretty bummed out to have that asset on that contract right now. That doesnt even get into the potential for real problems like Joe Flacco.
 

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Jimmy wanted to be a starter in 2018. He was not going to stay in New England to be Brady's backup, and he had the ability to really fuck the Pats up to force a trade as others have noted. If you think Jimmy should have been the next QB of the Pats, the only way to accomplish that would have been to trade Brady and take the cap hit following a season in which he will win the MVP and went 13-3 and the Pats are one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl heading into the post season. I don't think BB was willing to do that, but if he was I have no problem with Kraft stepping in and telling him he couldn't.
 

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At the end of the day, if he's at all honest with himself, nobody is going to know better than Tom Brady how likely, how soon, and how precipitous the fall will be. He's more in tune with his body than anyone else possibly could be. He knows how it feels to get hit, how it feels to wake up the next day, how much exertion this and that takes. If he feels he hasn't lost much and won't any time soon, and the stats bear that out, that's all that matters to me.
 

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Oh yeah, I definitely agree. I don't think they get meaningfully more than #40 in that scenario (and they could get less). The reason to hold onto JG rather than trading him mid-season is to have a better backup for the second half and to keep your options open, not because you're going to get some kind of king's ransom after a tag.
Agreed, and why I wouldnt have made the trade when they did, but I dont agree with the "oh they gave JG away for nothing" conventional wisdom and I can easily envision conversations that would make them just pull the trigger now that dont mean the end of Camelot (particularly since we have one on the record first person account of BB's thoughts on trading Tom Brady, namely "did you just ask if I was willing to trade the greatest quarterback of all time"? Since that statement was made, Brady has been the best player in football)
 

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Were you able to listen to the Lombardi interview? If so, what did he say? He's the most connected to Belichick and his thinking out of anyone in the media.
Nothing interesting. There's a story that says he's the source and he vigorously denied this. Other than that, he really didn't add a heck of a lot. He said "I'm not there any more", which is fine, but other times people go to Lombardi because he's a Patriots "insider" or whatever. You can't have it both ways.

Wickersham should be on soon.
 

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Wickersham is making the rounds with the story--he was just on CNBC's Power Lunch segment. The sound was off, but the chyrons were incendiary--Dynasty in Peril or phrases to that effect. (sigh)
 

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Favre in 2009 had pretty much the same stat line as Brady this year--doesn't mean he didn't show signs of aging--which is what the story says the coaching staff are seeing with TB.
 

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I think the options are bad and bad once a team reaches the point of "should we pay Joe Flacco all the money" and it caps what a team can do in terms of trying to win Super Bowls. Id pay Aaron Rodgers or Brady in his prime some absurd amount a year and not think twice if the option was not having Brady or Rodgers. With decent quarterbacks who can win if you put the right pieces around them, Im not sure its a viable title strategy. Now, having BB as the coach would seem to be one of the better situations for that kind of approach. But, as SN has pointed out, the title contenders in today's NFL seem to be either teams with elite QBs or good QBs on cheap contracts. We see a lot of these higher paid/middling guys in relevant week 17 games and on wild card weekend.

JG was (and still somewhat is) more of an unknown, which carries plusses and minuses to a big contract. But, for example, we know less about JG than we did about David Carr when he signed a big deal last year and, while it may eventually work out, Id be pretty bummed out to have that asset on that contract right now. That doesnt even get into the potential for real problems like Joe Flacco.
And luckily for Pats fans they get Brady at a $10M discount until the reckoning next year or until the next extension that spreads the money out more and keeps the cap room

Poor Derek Carr gets called David everywhere. It would have to drive him crazy if he knew.
 

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Oh yeah, I definitely agree. I don't think they get meaningfully more than #40 in that scenario (and they could get less). The reason to hold onto JG rather than trading him mid-season is to have a better backup for the second half and to keep your options open, not because you're going to get some kind of king's ransom after a tag.
I agree with this, too. I think getting Hoyer back sort of via this deal is part of what made it palatable to BB. Clearly he doesn’t want to be a team whose season is over if anything happens to the QB.
 

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There would be roster sacrifices in 2018, I totally agree. But I’m more worried about, say, 2019-2030 than just 2018. I’m willing to bet BB felt the same way.
You were also saying this team was an 8-8 team when they were 4-2. You were worried about 2017 10 weeks ago, never mind 2030.
 

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Favre in 2009 had pretty much the same stat line as Brady this year--doesn't mean he didn't show signs of aging--which is what the story says the coaching staff are seeing with TB.
Except he played 10 regular seasons in a dome that year plus 2 in the playoffs. Major difference. Brady did this while playing only 1 game in a dome this year.
 

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Dale saying NFL has flat out denied the BB / Goodell met last week. Wick: "yeah I know"

Holley saying just because they met doesn't mean they are friends. Wick: "I talked with multiple people who characterized it like that, comfortable writing it"
 

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And luckily for Pats fans they get Brady at a $10M discount until the reckoning next year or until the next extension that spreads the money out more and keeps the cap room

Poor Derek Carr gets called David everywhere. It would have to drive him crazy if he knew.
Ha, that's my bad. I confused Derek with the good Carr brother QB.;)

The Brady discount dries up materially next year, he goes to $22MM on the cap. Still good value if he's an MVP QB obviously, but not the historical cap discount they've had to use to their advantage. They could tack on an extension for his age 43 season two years in advance but I dont know if Id go there.
 

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Wickersham: "This is all hard to articulate."

Uh...

Did you reach out to team to speak to Brady/BB/Kraft? "Yes" But then goes on to say that not really as part of article, but to response to what he was writing.


"If they really respect you, why did they say your article was fallacious?"
 

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Plus Favre was clearly not in the same type of shape
I'd tell anyone making this comparison to look up Brett Favre's 2009 highlights. Look at how he moved. There's no way anyone could ever think he was anywhere close to his prime physically. On the other hand, Brady, even in his bad games, was gliding around the pocket much better than he did from '09-'13, for instance. Favre was breaking down, but managed to put together a great season on a loaded team with an amazing running game. Then the Saints put the final nail on his coffin.
 

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Guys, there are threads for this.
I’m not allowed to talk about this anymore here. Bring it to the other thread, I guess.
And there are good reasons for it. There's already a long thread on the merits of TB vs JG. Although the ESPN article has elements that relate to it, it is not the crux of it.

I believe threads are better if it stays focused on a central theme, especially if it prevents posts spilling into topics already discussed elsewhere. PM me if you do not agree.
 

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"I've had lots of early breakfasts and late dinners at places 20 minutes away from building for the last 8 weeks nailing this down. EVERYONE knows this has been a bad year in that building."



Okay, he just said the big "tell" is that the team/BB don't have a plan for QB moving forward.
 

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Part of this situation that hasn't been talked about is that if BB wanted to cut bait with Brady after next season it is financially possible. It would create $15 million in cap space. Matt Ryan is a free agent after next season.
 

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"BB is a master planner, and to not have a plan at the most critical position is such a big tell"

"I don't know if JG wanted to be there"

Seth, you just answered your own question.

He is FULL OF SHIT
 

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"BB is a master planner, and to not have a plan at the most critical position is such a big tell"

"I don't know if JG wanted to be there"

Seth, you just answered your own question.

He is FULL OF SHIT

On Jimmy Garoppolo and the TB12 Center: Sources tell me that Garoppolo was going there to receive treatment before and after his shoulder injury. He even had his own passkey to enter the facility.
 

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And there it is: JG couldn't go to the Browns because they're so dysfunctional that if JG didn't play well there then it makes him look bad for wanting him. So he went to SF because he thinks that he can succeed there, making it look like he was right.