I think Winks may have left him out to dry on that play. Dier played well overall, but with only a 1-0 lead, it only took one mistake to undo it.I don't understand how Dier at CB is an acceptable decision. He actually played alright but the pen was so so dumb and just isn't as likely with Jan or Toby. Let's see what Mr. Jose has in store for us today!
No. Spurs were in excellent position on the play, and while Winks could've perhaps come down harder on Pogba, Davies was in excellent position, Dav was marking Ighalo, and GLC was marking Rashford. Other United players may have come free, but that would've required an extra pass. With only 10 minutes remaining in regular time, it was a horrendous error.I think Winks may have left him out to dry on that play. Dier played well overall, but with only a 1-0 lead, it only took one mistake to undo it.
Yeah, that penalty happened because Dier was asked to play defense one-on-one against a talented offensive player, got roasted and then clumsily conceded a penalty after being beat. It is the play of a tired, overmatched defender, and it seems really unlikely to me that Toby or Jan would have made that same kind of mistake.No. Spurs were in excellent position on the play, and while Winks could've perhaps come down harder on Pogba, Davies was in excellent position, Dav was marking Ighalo, and GLC was marking Rashford. Other United players may have come free, but that would've required an extra pass. With only 10 minutes remaining in regular time, it was a horrendous error.
This is also true. Dier on an island against Pogba is not what you want. I just think that Winks is in no mans land and could have helped.Yeah, that penalty happened because Dier was asked to play defense one-on-one against a talented offensive player, got roasted and then clumsily conceded a penalty after being beat. It is the play of a tired, overmatched defender, and it seems really unlikely to me that Toby or Jan would have made that same kind of mistake.
Yeah, I mean Winks didn't cover himself in glory on that play and you're right that his decision-making is puzzling. But because the rest of the team is in good position, the brunt of the blame goes on Dier and if you ask me, Jose really.This is also true. Dier on an island against Pogba is not what you want. I just think that Winks is in no mans land and could have helped.
It's alive!If Spurs ends up filled with Argentines and South Koreans, I will not be upset!
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Uhh, he was caught napping and flat footed on the second goal against the Blades. He's shown promise at CB, but he's learning on the job.He was fine the first 2 games back. He's getting a new deal. You're going to be on this anti-Dier train a while, because I don't think he's leaving.
That was the 3rd game.Uhh, he was caught napping and flat footed on the second goal against the Blades.
I stand by my earlier posts that while Dier definitely fouled him, Winks hung him out to dry on that play. Of freaking course Pogba beat him 1 on 1.Other than the part where he gave away a cheap penalty against Man Utd.
Perhaps because he was also Spurs’ best player during the 1-0 win, and is so technically gifted, it’s an element of his game that can be overlooked. But watching these post-lockdown matches behind closed doors you can really get a sense of their rhythms and sub-plots, and it’s clear Lo Celso is a massive pain to play against.
Lo Celso’s persistent niggling is immensely irritating to his opponents, and watching games closely at stadiums with no crowd noise, you get a sense of which players are especially aggravating. Against West Ham a couple of weeks ago, Declan Rice and Mark Noble got increasingly vexed with Lo Celso as the game went on. At one point in the second half after Lo Celso went down under his challenge, Rice turned round to tell him to “fuck off” and gesture at him to get up after what he thought was a dive. It was a reaction that had been brewing all evening and was said with some feeling.
Lo Celso’s next adversary was Coleman, who shoved him after a foul by Ben Davies. Lo Celso stood in Coleman’s way under the pretence of moving into position to defend a free kick, but really it looked like he just fancied another argument. A frustrated Coleman gestured angrily at Lo Celso and made his point to Scott. Lo Celso shrugged his shoulders, as if to say, “What? I just happened to be standing right in your way as you got up and tried to take a free kick.”
But after the limp defeat at Sheffield United in their previous match, Mourinho had told the players he needed them to be more aggressive against Everton. He reiterated that message after the game, saying that: “A team of good boys, a team of nice boys: the only thing they can win at the end of the season is the Fair Play Cup, which is something I never won and I’m not interested in winning that.”
Lo Celso may be a beautiful footballer but he is not a nice boy. And that makes him even more valuable to Tottenham and Mourinho.
You don't watch enough La Liga, Serie A, or football from other countries. The British game stands out to me for a lack of shithousery. What club is the biggest shithouser? SHU? Burnley, Newcastle? I have no idea.Esp. with Lamela mostly limited to substitute appearances.
I normally hate invoking national stereotypes but the Argentines do seem to develop excellent shithousers.
CONCACAF games are on a whole different level, from the top on down. I will say SHU and Burnley are the most British-based teams in the EPL as far as rosters go.You don't watch enough La Liga, Serie A, or football from other countries. The British game stands out to me for a lack of shithousery. What club is the biggest shithouser? SHU? Burnley, Newcastle? I have no idea.
In La Liga, every club has some level of shithousery, but Getafe is by far the worst and Leganes gets HM. Serie A is where shithousery is strongest. Those clubs are still time-wasting like it's the 90s. Same story throughout most of LatAm, although I admit I haven't watched Liga MX in years.
I agree with a lot of this. Lamela has skills but was dreadful today, especially in some promising counter attacks where he just couldn't get the ball out from under his feet or make a decision quick enough before he was dispossessed.I'm the biggest Lamela stan there is, but my god what a dreadful match. However, this isn't all Lamela's fault. Mou's biggest problem today was keeping him as the AMF for the full 100. Most of the rest is on the players.
First, any defense of either FB today should mark someone as a dolt. These FBs are both mid-table quality, at best.
I like GLC and Sissoko more than most, and I thought both just looked absolutely gassed today. How you can start them both on a quick turnaround like this after playing them most of the previous 3-4 matches as well with Tanguy on the bench and without even giving Skipp a shot is indefensible. This is Mou's second biggest sin today. Winks just isn't that good right now and anyone expecting better from him is just projecting.
Bergy was invisible in the first half, but why Mou didn't shift him to AMF and take off Lamela baffles me. Kane was starved of service, so he dropped deeper and deeper, and he no longer has the speed to rejoin the play. It wouldn't matter that much because Serge only hit 4/536356363ggsr^5442bxt crosses with quality. Lucas was frustrating as usual, but he doesn't draw my ire as much as he does to others. He has a valuable skill and if Spurs were deep enough and Mou astute enough, he could be used effectively. He's a limited player but a good one in my mind.
Tanguy looked OK in his time. There's truly no reason at this point why he, Sess, Skipp, and other young players shouldn't get ample opportunity to play after the NLD. Win that fucker and then pack this shit up until next season. What gross gross horribad match. Sometimes I hate this club as much as I love it.
That's who Lamela is though. You could make multi-year compilation of him getting the ball in dangerous areas and either A) flailing around and falling on his ass looking for a foul B) getting the ball stuck under his feet or C) getting away a weak ass shot.I agree with a lot of this. Lamela has skills but was dreadful today, especially in some promising counter attacks where he just couldn't get the ball out from under his feet or make a decision quick enough before he was dispossessed.
Zero shots on goal is an embarrassment, especially when they controlled 60 percent of the possession. How is that possible? Terrible passing in the attacking third. Again, it wasn't just one player, but everyone. Bergwijn was invisible, and when Son came on he wasn't that much better. Lucas, Lamela, Aurier, Sissoko, GLC, Winks, all below average performances.
I agree that Kane gets starved for service, he drops back (which actually leads to more positive play for Spurs since he can win the ball and hold up play with his strength and is an underrated passer) but he doesn't have the speed to get back into play. I wonder if it is just general lack of fitness/fatigue, or a bigger issue in that his numerous lower body injuries have robbed him of what little pace he had and is now going to be a more limited player going forward.
There were two key plays late in the game that drove me crazy. The first was a neat one-two between Kane and Davies, where Kane set up Davies on a platter inside the 6 yard box and Davies whiffed. The second was when Lucas broke free in the box and just couldn't get the ball out from under his feet and fumbled it away.
I know I sound like a broken record by Aurier is just not talented enough for his role on the club. He is really fast and makes exciting runs, but he just has no quality on crosses, especially when he has to put them into the air. The worst part is other teams have the scouting report on him and they now give him space on the wing to cross the ball in, but they pack the box and Kane is the only regular attacker right now capable of winning the ball in the air and Aurier never manages to get it to him. He is like a basketball player with no jumpshot, and is left open all game to brick threes. And it seems to be the foundation of their offense.
Ndombele will make you ooh and ah when he is on the ball, but he was super wasteful with his possession. Tons of passes straight to the other team and wasting possession. He needs more playing time but this wasn't a great showing for him.
Final thoughts are that this team doesn't do anything well and plays boring football under Mourinho and I don't see where the future is. Levy isn't going to spend the kind of money to revamp the team on the fly and they don't have the kind of youth that inspires me to dream about the future. This was a team designed to win now and they have sucked all year.
The difference is price with the players. Liverpool was paid an incredible amount for Coutinho. Same with Spurs and Walker. Spurs didn’t feel like they were offered enough with Erickson.The Total Soccer Show (thanks @Titans Bastard ) had a bit on where Liverpool and Spurs diverged a few years ago when both were promising, but not quite there yet. To sum up, Liverpool was building a system and any time a player wanted to leave (namely Coutinho) they let them go, and kept building. OTOH, Spurs begged their golden generation players (e.g. Eriksen, Toby) to stay and once this cycle ran its course (the UCL final was basically the last stand), there was nowhere for this squad to go but down. Walker and a few others stand in contrast to Eriksen/Toby, but overall I think it's accurate.
Liverpool did it without a large net spend though, which they could do only because they sold Coutinho for that absurdly gigantic fee. They got super-lucky that PSG triggered Neymar's release clause, giving Barca the cash to blow on Coutinho. The Neymar deal probably doubled the fee for Coutinho, or maybe more -- would Barca have bought Coutinho if Neymar hadn't left, and if Barca weren't interested, would Coutinho have left at all?. Without that they probably only get one of Van Dijk/Allison, not both.Liverpool also spent record amounts of money to address their two biggest weaknesses (Goalie and CB) and almost immediately turned those weaknesses into strengths. Spurs are never going to spend like that.