yea it was in the final hour right before a break. I think it was the end of the email segment?
Toucher and Hardy: The new 98.5 morning show
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I didn't listen, but I will check it out. I suppose if Beasley was the one literally giving Lockhart the pay check but deducted such amount from Rich's own salary, Hardy would technically be right but that would be a bit disingenuous. But there is no doubt that is Rich claimed he was "paying" him or words close to that effect.
It came up at the very end of the show when they were discussing Grande's parting words last night, and how that could be the opportunity for Wallach to take the radio PxP gig.
I forget how he transitioned to this, but Hardy made a comment about someone paying someone else's salary. But not really. Fred then chimed in with a "you brought it up" and then added something to the effect of: he announced it on the air and it wasn't even really that.
I forget how he transitioned to this, but Hardy made a comment about someone paying someone else's salary. But not really. Fred then chimed in with a "you brought it up" and then added something to the effect of: he announced it on the air and it wasn't even really that.
Chad Finn reported it exactly as Rich announced it on-air. I'm assuming Chad would have checked it out. If we're talking about a) Rich took a pay cut so Lockhart could keep his job vs b) Rich got his full paycheck, then wrote Beasley a check back for the administrative fee, then cut Lockhart a check that says 'Rich Shertenlieb' across the top, I don't think there's much of a difference.
It was very weird. I really enjoyed the show this morning, but it basically ended on that note, which was pretty bewildering.
I have a feeling that the more Rich gains on them, the more they're going to turn into crab bucket radio.
Just listened, it was just before the stack. Fred was telling a story where his son asked how much nba referees made. Apparently Milo though players should chip in to pay refs more which led to Hardy bringing up the Lockhart situation. Hardy said how it was announced on air wasn't accurate and Fred went into how Lockhart wasn't treated well off air when someone was playing a hero on air.
Honestly the Grande stuff was more interesting to me. It really did sound like he was saying goodbye to Max and the audience.
Thing is, there’s no way they’d know what kind of ratings he’s getting. He’s been on the air, what, a month? And there’s been no ratings released since he debuted.
Oh man, my bad. Clearly I’m an unreliable witness!
I checked in with Lockhart about this when Rich left. He said, "I never really asked to tell you the truth. I’m guessing he paid right up until the end?"
It was a question about whether Rich was still paying him. I think his check was from Beasley, and Rich was having that deducted.
Sorry it was oddly worded. From what Hardy said today, if he even knows fully what was going on. They seemed to insinuate it wasn’t just Rich but he took full credit for it. Who knows what’s true at this point.
As I understand it: both guys voluntarily took pay cuts at the start of the pandemic. Rich also voluntarily took a separate pay cut equal to 130% of Lockhart's salary to keep Lockhart from getting laid off. Fred didn't do the same because he needed to keep his money for the divorce.
Outside the parties involved (and putting aside any generic epistemology issues), I trust that Chad Finn is the only one knows what's true at this point.
Near as I can tell, Hardy is just repeating what Fred told him. Fred is quite a bit less credible to me than Chad.
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This isn't T&H related, but I couldn't find the other thread. I wanted to say I love listening to Leroy and Cerrone now on Saturday mornings. Fun, light hearted, some very different takes and a great listen on Saturday morning. The last few I've had them on when fishing and it's the perfect Saturday morning show. Compared to what WEEI roles out on the weekend, outside or Arcand, it's a stark difference. It's amazing how bad WEEI's weekends are. Unfortunately 98.5 brought over Dondero and should have left him on WEEI weekends.
fred and Kendra together have become my lead-in to Rich’s show every Thursday now
I don't think he hates Kendra, he's clearly uncomfortable around her social media influencer stuff. As a father of a 10 year old (I think his daughter is a little older) it is rather cringeworthy when you think of your own kid doing it. The thing is, it's the reality now and not unique to Kendra.
It seems close enough to real that they are working it into show. It’s kind of Fred the insult comic routine, sometimes funny but not my thing after hours.
I'm no fan of Kendra, her style is grating and especially cringey in my opinion. It's not the only way to go about that role.
I don’t think it’s a work at all. Especially watching on YouTube it was pretty clear. It really bothered Hardy,
To which Fred sensed weakness and tripled down on it. I wouldn’t imagine Hardy would be mad at Fred because he’s an adult but I don’t think it was for the show.
Out of curiosity, I listened to the Hour 2 pod where they talked about it. I think @NortheasternPJ has it right. Hardy seems genuinely uncomfortable with the social media/influencer culture, especially so as the father of a daughter. I don’t think he hates Kendra on a personal level. I just don’t think he likes the world she inhabits and believes it can be dangerous for attractive young women.
Fred was looking for some yuks and Kendra was being very patient with Hardy as Fred bored in on him. Hardy really didn’t want this to be an on air discussion. Wallach largely stayed out of it, to his credit. It wasn’t great radio.
He literally says it, he's afraid that what she does will put her in a very dangerous or unsafe position at some point. he didn't say it flat out, but he's basically saying it's not a matter of when but if some weirdo tries to do something bad to her. He may be right or wrong, but he's got good intentions.
What Kendra does is obviously very profitable, she seems well plugged into the social scene most of us are not a part of and it's her choice. I'd be terrified if my daughter was doing it in her 20's.
I'm checking it out now. Hardy's right as always.
This is like wannabe Howard Stern Show, I think. Hardy is like putting Frank Grimes from The Simpsons into it.
I do like Fred's "50% divorce rate" about the social media thing. I do miss that about him.
This is like wannabe Howard Stern Show, I think. Hardy is like putting Frank Grimes from The Simpsons into it.
I do like Fred's "50% divorce rate" about the social media thing. I do miss that about him.
It is amazing how obsessed people are on the 30 minutes that Kendra is on a week. Today was notable because of Hardy, not Kendra, yet everyone doubles down on Kendra every week. It’s “instant turn off radio” according to everyone yet the most talked about.
I like Kendra and she’s a different generation and something fresh in a land of 45 - 55 year old guys. The Venn Diagram of people who don’t like Kendra and demand more organ music at Fenway is probably just one circle.
I like Kendra and she’s a different generation and something fresh in a land of 45 - 55 year old guys. The Venn Diagram of people who don’t like Kendra and demand more organ music at Fenway is probably just one circle.
Kendra is awful.
Her sports takes are terrible
She was brought in as someone who bets, but her betting "logic" is asinine ("I don't care about trends I think X will win because they're due!!!")
Everything she says is cringe. ("Let's gooooo!" "Heeeeeeey!" Etc)
She'd fit in on tik tok and youtube shorts for 18-25 YOs who think she's attractive. She craves attention from whomever is in the studio/audience.
Hardy is a professional who worked like 3 jobs until 6 months ago because he's a pro. I can completely see how he dislikes what she is about. He put in work for 2 decades to be on the top rated morning show in a major media market and she is getting "fame" on IG filters and feet pics.
Her sports takes are terrible
She was brought in as someone who bets, but her betting "logic" is asinine ("I don't care about trends I think X will win because they're due!!!")
Everything she says is cringe. ("Let's gooooo!" "Heeeeeeey!" Etc)
She'd fit in on tik tok and youtube shorts for 18-25 YOs who think she's attractive. She craves attention from whomever is in the studio/audience.
Hardy is a professional who worked like 3 jobs until 6 months ago because he's a pro. I can completely see how he dislikes what she is about. He put in work for 2 decades to be on the top rated morning show in a major media market and she is getting "fame" on IG filters and feet pics.
I like Kendra. She’s working the system as it exists to her advantage, no one should blame her for that.
I didn’t hear today’s broadcast but Hardy went in on her a couple weeks ago as well. Unless it’s just an act — and this is talk radio so who really knows — but I get the sense that he finds her tedious. And I do get that, because sometimes she is. Like, you can’t complain about online stuff when you’re hyper online.
If nothing else, it usually makes for interesting radio. Which is more than a lot of the time they’re on the air.
The whole hardy kendra thing is weird. I get that hardy has a daughter and doesn’t want her to pursue a career path similar to Kendra’s but like dude Kendra isn’t your daughter. Just because she’s a younger female in radio doesn’t mean you should treat her like a daughter, you’re not some ultimate father figure. That whole dynamic is creepy where he feels he needs to provide her some guidance in life that he thinks shes not getting. She’s your coworker and a grown adult and the show would be better if he realized that.
I'm not sure Hardy is being paternalistic with respect to Kendra. I think he just doesn't want to play along with her persona because it gives him the creeps and he can't relate to the current culture relative to the ethos that he/his generation had to adopt to succeed in radio. I don't think he wants to talk about it or encourage it in any way; it doesn't "belong" on T&H. I think this would explain his frostiness towards Kendra more than anything.
I think we can all agree that it isn’t entertaining. And that’s why I listen to dopey morning sports radio shows. To be entertained.
In the words of Homer Simpson, be more funny.
In the words of Homer Simpson, be more funny.
Not sure this is on time to help anyone but be careful with hour 3 podcast today if you use iPhone. A clip they played multiple times has a guy screaming out "Hey Siri, call 9-1-1" followed by multiple people calling in to report their phones did attempt that call.
That clip of the 911 Siri call was jarring. I heard it this morning in the car - I had just switched over from another station. I was greeted with the clip of a guy screaming in pain and calling 911. Glad I never enabled Siri on my iPhone.
Glad to have discovered this place.
Long time T&R listener since WBCN afternoons.
T&H has been a tough adjustment and made clear what made T&R work so well. Either of the guys on their own isn't great. Fred is so negative that even when he talks about something he actually enjoys it comes off like complaining. Rich is so wild jacked up fake that he's almost insufferable on his show but that's for the other thread...
My impressions of T&H haven't been great. I've tried to have an open mind but some of it has been so insanely cringeworthy and borderline creepy. The Kendra stuff has slowly moved away from sounding like three horny old dudes talking to a twenty-something to now "Let's make Hardy awkward but in the least funny way possible!"
I was hoping they'd start rolling out new bits that were good instead of trying to poorly redress old ones or, which has lately become the thing, to insult old bits that were well received. I always loved "Race horse or bad local band" and now listening to Fred act like he could do all that stuff with hardly a finger raised is groan-inducing. "If I'd known it was only that, I could have done it..."
The Adam12 segments are awful. The first few when they were clearly trying to rip off race horse/local band were so awkward. The last one the other day where Toucher, Hardy, and Wallach tried to team up against 12 for having tote bags was another dumpster.
Speaking of Wallach, he's transforming into a piece of furniture, or stuffed bird if you will, with hardly speaking and when he does it's usually bad. I started today's show but when I heard it was Wallach in the lead, I was out. No way I'm listening to four hours of his old guy babbling.
The Doris Burke voice was funny...for the first two weeks. Now, it's pulled up and dragged out all the time.
One thing that has really shocked me has been the change in tone towards Rich. It went from a sort of respectful detente right after towards open hostility. Fred can't help himself inserting an insult at every opportunity. Now, does some of it sound justified? I guess. Rich must have really put on a bad front for all of them to not just turn but turn hard against him. Adelpho really surprised me when even he jumped on Rich. And you can tell this stuff gets to Fred.
I'm hoping they can find some new groove but fear it's just becoming two guys cranky at the world in different ways and a guy they think looks like a bird.
Long time T&R listener since WBCN afternoons.
T&H has been a tough adjustment and made clear what made T&R work so well. Either of the guys on their own isn't great. Fred is so negative that even when he talks about something he actually enjoys it comes off like complaining. Rich is so wild jacked up fake that he's almost insufferable on his show but that's for the other thread...
My impressions of T&H haven't been great. I've tried to have an open mind but some of it has been so insanely cringeworthy and borderline creepy. The Kendra stuff has slowly moved away from sounding like three horny old dudes talking to a twenty-something to now "Let's make Hardy awkward but in the least funny way possible!"
I was hoping they'd start rolling out new bits that were good instead of trying to poorly redress old ones or, which has lately become the thing, to insult old bits that were well received. I always loved "Race horse or bad local band" and now listening to Fred act like he could do all that stuff with hardly a finger raised is groan-inducing. "If I'd known it was only that, I could have done it..."
The Adam12 segments are awful. The first few when they were clearly trying to rip off race horse/local band were so awkward. The last one the other day where Toucher, Hardy, and Wallach tried to team up against 12 for having tote bags was another dumpster.
Speaking of Wallach, he's transforming into a piece of furniture, or stuffed bird if you will, with hardly speaking and when he does it's usually bad. I started today's show but when I heard it was Wallach in the lead, I was out. No way I'm listening to four hours of his old guy babbling.
The Doris Burke voice was funny...for the first two weeks. Now, it's pulled up and dragged out all the time.
One thing that has really shocked me has been the change in tone towards Rich. It went from a sort of respectful detente right after towards open hostility. Fred can't help himself inserting an insult at every opportunity. Now, does some of it sound justified? I guess. Rich must have really put on a bad front for all of them to not just turn but turn hard against him. Adelpho really surprised me when even he jumped on Rich. And you can tell this stuff gets to Fred.
I'm hoping they can find some new groove but fear it's just becoming two guys cranky at the world in different ways and a guy they think looks like a bird.
I feel the same way. Fred pisses me off and Rich annoys me, both to the point that I prefer to just listen to something else.
I guess that part of my life is over.