Bosoxen said:
I was at Camden a couple years ago and an older gentleman overheard me call Buck an asshole. Dude was seriously offended and asked me to provide specific examples as to why he I thought that. I merely responded that it's a certifiable fact and if he didn't know Buck is an asshole, then he clearly knew nothing about him.
On some level I can understand why Buck's dad was upset with that characterization.
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YouDownWithOBP? said:Lester and Miller for Bell AND Meadows?? Sounds like a win to me
Interesting. If you don't mind me asking, what does activity look like on average Tuesday/Wednesday?AlNipper49 said:I'll document some usage charts today so we can watch the "Lester Bump"
YouDownWithOBP? said:Lester and Miller for Bell AND Meadows?? Sounds like a win to me
I will answer this one. Its pretty flat and essentially resembles the collective brain wave activity on this site, save for when certain threads are updated in P&GFerm Sheller said:Interesting. If you don't mind me asking, what does activity look like on average Tuesday/Wednesday?
I think that from a PR perspective, he may need to:JimD said:Hopefully, Ben can pull off one of Billy Beane's 'F***in' A' trades.
MakMan44 said:Heyman's pegged the Cardinals and Dodgers as the two most aggressive teams.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24642912/dodgers-and-cardinals-vie-in-race-for-top-pitchers-lester-and-price
You literally can not please everyone.Eck'sSneakyCheese said:I don't see the big deal with Bell. His numbers are underwhelming and he profiles as an above average prospect. He's still at least two years away. I would hope the Sox are looking to get something better than that.
It's a disaster if they make any decisions based on any kind of "disgusted" emails Peter Abraham is receiving. Lester has never been better, and the team is in last place because of other glaring holes that Lester being at what is his absolute peak value can help them to address. I admire that Cherington is able to take the long view on this and hopefully acquire more pieces to add to the longer term foundation.Stan Papi Was Framed said:I think that from a PR perspective, he may need to:
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe · 3m
Averaging roughly one “I’m disgusted with the #RedSox” email every five minutes it seems. PR disaster for the team so far.
As long as it's not like Carlos Gonzalez, Huston Street and Greg Smith for Matt Holliday.JimD said:Hopefully, Ben can pull off one of Billy Beane's 'F***in' A' trades.
Stan Papi Was Framed said:I think that from a PR perspective, he may need to:
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe · 3m
Averaging roughly one “I’m disgusted with the #RedSox” email every five minutes it seems. PR disaster for the team so far.
bosockboy said:They aren't getting Taveras. Not happening.
The Pirates gave him the biggest signing bonus for anyone drafted in the second round. Sickels had him #37 in his midseason update a couple weeks ago. He hit 37 doubles a year ago. He just got promoted to AA at age 21. He fills an organizational need both positionally (OF, even if he's not great at it) and in his hitting profile (power).Eck'sSneakyCheese said:I don't see the big deal with Bell. His numbers are underwhelming and he profiles as an above average prospect. He's still at least two years away. I would hope the Sox are looking to get something better than that.
fair points, but I would not be surprised if a lot of fans are upset when/if Lester leaves. I know I will be, and it looks like others (at least some) posting here would be as well.Rovin Romine said:
That's 288 emails in a 24 hour period. Even allowing for Pete's sudden self-revealed relevance as a barometer for Red Sox nation.
It's not exactly folks rioting in the streets or refusing to buy tickets.
Edit - and you know he probably got 20 emails or so.
The Boomer said:
True unless adding Uehara and Miller or (gulp) Mookie Betts sweetens the deal enough.
Piscotty, Miller and the pick I'd jump on.j44thor said:It was rumored that STL has offered TB Tavares, Shelby Miller, competitive balance pick and possibly a "lottery ticket" for Price. Granted you get an extra year for Price but is that extra year worth that much more?
j44thor said:
It was rumored that STL has offered TB Tavares, Shelby Miller, competitive balance pick and possibly a "lottery ticket" for Price. Granted you get an extra year for Price but is that extra year worth that much more?
fair points. It's emotionally difficult to see that Lester will likely be gone. I agree that this shouldn't control what the front office does, but it concerns me, especially if it negatively affects other players on the team. But your points are reasonable ones. This is an area where it's difficult to be controlled by reason.Laschelle Tarver said:It's a disaster if they make any decisions based on any kind of "disgusted" emails Peter Abraham is receiving. Lester has never been better, and the team is in last place because of other glaring holes that Lester being at what is his absolute peak value can help them to address. I admire that Cherington is able to take the long view on this and hopefully acquire more pieces to add to the longer term foundation.
Um, yea. It's a pretty enormous deal. And it's the reason this team should get something very interesting for John Lackey.j44thor said:
It was rumored that STL has offered TB Tavares, Shelby Miller, competitive balance pick and possibly a "lottery ticket" for Price. Granted you get an extra year for Price but is that extra year worth that much more?
I heard that too, but come on, if the Rays didn't take that, they're nuts.j44thor said:
It was rumored that STL has offered TB Tavares, Shelby Miller, competitive balance pick and possibly a "lottery ticket" for Price. Granted you get an extra year for Price but is that extra year worth that much more?
The Boomer said:
True unless adding Uehara and Miller or (gulp) Mookie Betts sweetens the deal enough.
Piscotty is Jackie Bradley without the defense. He's a well rounded but nothing exceptional guy offensively, just like Bradley, and is every bit as likely to struggle for a season or more when he comes up full time. With Bradley it is worth the growing pains because he's an elite defensive CF. Piscotty is an acceptable RF and nothing more.jimbobim said:
If it comes down to Piscotty or Bell I think I'd go Piscotty but that's a toss up . Piscotty a little closer I would say.
Of course.Rovin Romine said:
Would you trade Betts for Taveras straight up?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=tavera001osc
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=betts-000mar
Someone a little closer to the majors. A lot can happen in the time its going to take for him to be major league ready. Extremely SSS but he's not exactly lighting AA on fire either. Lester should be worth at least one elite-ish prospect.Toe Nash said:The Pirates gave him the biggest signing bonus for anyone drafted in the second round. Sickels had him #37 in his midseason update a couple weeks ago. He hit 37 doubles a year ago. He just got promoted to AA at age 21. He fills an organizational need both positionally (OF, even if he's not great at it) and in his hitting profile (power).
What are you looking for, exactly?
In a Manziel heartbeatRovin Romine said:Would you trade Betts for Taveras straight up?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=tavera001osc
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=betts-000mar
Could it be that the worth to STL is because it's only/exactly one more year. Not just a rental, but also not a long term high priced pitcher in his 30s; call it a very comfortable and possibly desirable middle ground.j44thor said:
It was rumored that STL has offered TB Tavares, Shelby Miller, competitive balance pick and possibly a "lottery ticket" for Price. Granted you get an extra year for Price but is that extra year worth that much more?
Stan Papi Was Framed said:fair points, but I would not be surprised if a lot of fans are upset when/if Lester leaves. I know I will be, and it looks like others (at least some) posting here would be as well.
I realize none of this is necessarily rational--it may well make sense, in objective terms, to make a deal. But if doing so alienates people, that seems like a problem to take into account. Especially if it has a negative effect on other players.
Again, I realize this is vague, subjective, hard to assess.
chawson said:Getting this done today seems ideal, since Ben still has Lackey available in the same market, and his price could possibly go up after Lester's off.
Toe Nash said:The Pirates gave him the biggest signing bonus for anyone drafted in the second round. Sickels had him #37 in his midseason update a couple weeks ago. He hit 37 doubles a year ago. He just got promoted to AA at age 21. He fills an organizational need both positionally (OF, even if he's not great at it) and in his hitting profile (power).
What are you looking for, exactly?
Stan Papi Was Framed said:I think that from a PR perspective, he may need to:
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe · 3m
Averaging roughly one “I’m disgusted with the #RedSox” email every five minutes it seems. PR disaster for the team so far.
Everyone wants someone closer, but someone with Bell's power and pedigree profiles pretty well to reach it. It's not like he's 17. The guys who are closer to the majors are probably not getting traded since not only are they more "certain" but they can also maybe help this year (Like Bogaerts).Eck'sSneakyCheese said:Someone a little closer to the majors. A lot can happen in the time its going to take for him to be major league ready. Extremely SSS but he's not exactly lighting AA on fire either. Lester should be worth at least one elite-ish prospect.
jimbobim said:
If it comes down to Piscotty or Bell I think I'd go Piscotty but that's a toss up . Piscotty a little closer I would say.
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:Someone a little closer to the majors. A lot can happen in the time its going to take for him to be major league ready. Extremely SSS but he's not exactly lighting AA on fire either. Lester should be worth at least one elite-ish prospect.
But he's not cost controlled, he's a rental who you'll have to negotiate with for 2015 and beyond. Unless you think he'll really play for 500K next year and not put up any kind of stink.The Boomer said:
I think you are right about this. With or without Price also on the trading block, if Lester goes to one of the NL contenders, another NL competitor could up the ante for a cost controlled Lackey.
Very true. I guess them winning in 2013 and recovering from depths of 2012 makes me feel that they can overcome any negative perception here too. I want them to display the discipline to have an approach and stick to it, even if it at times it means losing a player I don't want them to like Lester. And, if they're going to lose him at the end of the year, the right move is to maxmize the return they can get on him. They will never have more leverage in that regard than right now.Stan Papi Was Framed said:fair points. It's emotionally difficult to see that Lester will likely be gone. I agree that this shouldn't control what the front office does, but it concerns me, especially if it negatively affects other players on the team. But your points are reasonable ones. This is an area where it's difficult to be controlled by reason.
BeantownIdaho said:With all the focus on Lester....who is working on getting the other 9 trade candidates out of town?
BeantownIdaho said:With all the focus on Lester....who is working on getting the other 9 trade candidates out of town?
Isn't Bell also more Will Middlebrooks than Kevin Youkilis in terms of approach?Eck'sSneakyCheese said:Someone a little closer to the majors. A lot can happen in the time its going to take for him to be major league ready. Extremely SSS but he's not exactly lighting AA on fire either. Lester should be worth at least one elite-ish prospect.
MakMan44 said:Of course. Is this a serious question?
Rovin Romine said:
That's 288 emails in a 24 hour period. Even allowing for Pete's sudden self-revealed relevance as a barometer for Red Sox nation.
It's not exactly folks rioting in the streets or refusing to buy tickets.
Edit - and you know he probably got 20 emails or so.
Nah, he was at 11% in A+ and still only at 16% in AA so far.twibnotes said:Isn't Bell also more Will Middlebrooks than Kevin Youkilis in terms of approach?