Rousey is the best. LOL @ anyone who has to fight this woman. I hope she beats up Meisha Tate's husband next.
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Come on now. Her judo is great but her hands suck. She probably had 15 pounds on Correia, walked straight ahead and winged wide ass bombs.
She's great, but she's also Gracie 20 years ago. Let the women's game catch up a little and we'll see how dominant she is.
She's great, but she's also Gracie 20 years ago. Let the women's game catch up a little and we'll see how dominant she is.
Absolutely an evolutionary athlete and talent. Way ahead of the curve. Great for the sport. As someone with a new daughter I'm enormously grateful for her existence, but let's honor her ability by keeping it in perspective. There's an 18 year old girl out there who's been training MMA for 5 years already whos gonna come on the scene in 2020 and be Jordan to Ronda's Wilt.EvilEmpire said:
Deadspin has one, for now.ilol@u said:
I know nothing--nothing--about fighting, but it feels like one of the baseline rules should be "Don't let your opponent stand directly in front of you and punch you where your spine meets your neck."
It's really hard to get much from this fight. RR obviously realized right away Correia couldn't hurt her so she just swung wild till she knocked the smaller fighter out. She might've stayed more disciplined and looked more impressive to a trained eye if she had to respect Correia's power, but that obviously wasnt the case.Joe D Reid said:
Marciano490 said:
Woman's judo is a very competitive international sport. Good fucking luck "catching up". Gracie 20 years ago won because of information, there has not been a shortfall of information for any of these other women. BTW, the founder of the UFC's son was in Ronda's corner tonight.
Ronda has been training with men for a long time expecting to win in Judo. She is a bad ass chick. Her hands can be garbage. She could be the champ for the next 5 years and not throw a punch. Unfortunately for the other women, Ronda appears to hit hard.
People can downplay Ronda all they want, it just sounds foolish.
BTW, she couldn't beat professional men in fighting, that's ridiculous. She could probably hang with them and beat some in grappling and that is amazing. Ronda forever.
Marciano490 said:
I feel exactly the same way. Rousey is great for UFC in general because of her drawing power and superstar status, but women's MMA is still very much in its infancy that is hard to really understand her greatness as a fighter in any real context. This is the second fight in a row where her opponent has come in with a terrible strategy, was overmatched in the way a tulip is overmatched by a bulldozer and never stood a chance. People are comparing her to Tyson in the 80s, because of the rapid dominance of the fights, but the main difference is that Tyson was doing that to the heavyweight boxing division, a division that had a century of historical context.
On an unrelated note, the main reason I can't get into MMA is because of the contrived storylines that are set up by UFC for the fight. Rousey's "I hope now nobody talks about my family" line is just such an obviously scripted line, it hurts the sport more than it helps it, imo.
Nobody's downplaying Ronda. She's great. She doesnt compete in judo anymore. She's in mixed martial arts. Lots of great wrestlers and jiu jitsu practitioners have gone through the ufc and been stopped out when they ran into more well-rounded fighters. Right now Ronda can run through the division because nobody can stop her judo. She can arm bar people in ten seconds. Same thing happened with Grace and his bjj, or was that an esoteric form of martial art back then too?luckiestman said:
To be a truly all time dominant fighter, RR will have to develop an all around game. Tonight she looked like she couldn't punch for shit. Maybe against a bigger, more skilled fighter she would've been tighter, but I didn't see that tonight.
Marciano490 said:
Well, there's much more hybridization in martial arts now, whereas during Royce Gracie's run it was a bunch of different disciplines with their skill sets and techniques largely siloed off from the others.
Marciano490 said:
Look, it isn't comparable to Royce. Royce is not a good athlete. That was actually the point the Gracies were making. Ronda is a great athlete. Ronda could barely throw a jab in her first fight and tonight she KOd someone. A real KO, not the accumulation stuff you normally see in women's fighting.
Could Ronda beat Ann Wolfe in a boxing match? No way. But she doesn't have to. One elite skill and serviceable other skills is what the best fighters seems to have.
Who are the best fighters right now and what is their one great skill and one serviceable skill?
Also, which college or professional hall of fame are you in and for what sport? Just curious because you're calling the Gracies not good athletes. I've heard people make that argument about golfers or curlers or even MLB sluggers, but never combat sports people.
Also, which college or professional hall of fame are you in and for what sport? Just curious because you're calling the Gracies not good athletes. I've heard people make that argument about golfers or curlers or even MLB sluggers, but never combat sports people.
Marciano490 said:
I didn't call the "Gracies" bad athletes. I said Royce was a not a good athlete and I meant it in the domain of professional fighters. Royce is probably not in the top 3 athletes of his own siblings and not top 4 if you count Rolls as a brother. Compared to the typical fat male in the US today, sure, Royce is a phenomenal fucking athlete.
I don't know who the best guys are at the very moment, I was on a hiatus for a few years from mma. I'll give you the guys I'm familiar with that are all time greats
GSP elite takedowns serviceable striking. This shit works in tandem. GSP out-struck a lot of dudes that would beat him in a striking only bout because they feared the takedown.
Anderson Silva elite striking serviceable groundwork and takedown defense
Matt Hughes elite wrestling serviceable striking
Liddell had elite takedown defense and one hit KO power but his overall striking wasn't polished and that is why he got fucked up a lot of times later in his career.
Hitting hard solves a lot of problems in this sport. No matter how polished it looks.
I think your list kind of proves the point im trying to make. 5-10 years ago, you could get by with one elite skill and a bunch of good enough skills. Not so anymore. GSP is the first guy I can point to who was great all around. Now, there are a ton of guys with more than one plus skill. Id say almost all the champions are and guys like DC.
Women's MMA isn't there yet. A great fighter would've knocked out Rousey tonight if she took that tack. Now again maybe she wouldn't have fought that way against a woman with power. We haven't seen that yet. Do we really think she's so dominant because she's superhuman, when no men are currently that dominant, or is she just really good and super ahead of the curve?
Women's MMA isn't there yet. A great fighter would've knocked out Rousey tonight if she took that tack. Now again maybe she wouldn't have fought that way against a woman with power. We haven't seen that yet. Do we really think she's so dominant because she's superhuman, when no men are currently that dominant, or is she just really good and super ahead of the curve?
luckiestman said:
Daniel Cormier is a very good current example of what you are looking for here. Perhaps the best wrestler in the sport, and just good enough at everything else to give him the ability to beat every non alien alive.
Just because Marciano wants every fighter to be Nick Diaz doesn't mean he is wrong here. Rousey is Babe Ruth, truly a generation ahead of her competition and that makes her dominant. I hope that if you dropped 2015 Rousey into the 2025 UFC she would be good, and potentially even a champ with her world class Judo and damn good strength and power, but not dominant like she is now.
Marciano490 said:
I am really curious to hear your opinion on Jedrzejczyk. Have you seen her fights? She is basically Rousey with one skill that is well beyond the rest of the division's capability to handle right now. Hopefully, in 10 years, an elite striker like her, who looks so uncomfortable off of her feet or when she is pressed in close will be good but not destroying all of the other best fighters in the division.
If you haven't seen her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEjPogKJsKQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N_rghJo2mY
mikeford said:
That would be a good fight actually.
Marciano490 said:
RR realized that before she took the fight. Correia isn't very good. She barely beat Shayna Baszler, who IMO kind of sucks. This was Ronda getting revenge for her friends and doing it in Brazil for the UFC. That's it IMO. She wouldn't have abandoned the takedown attempts if she only wanted to win. She wanted to beat someone up schoolyard style.
Kliq said:
How many times are you going to tell us how not into MMA you are in the MMA thread?
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I'd like to see Zingano get a second shot before Miesha gets a third, but it looks like everyone wants Miesha.
Phragle said:
I agree with you, but does Cat actually want to fight? I am wondering when and if she is going to fight next.
I assume either Cat or Tate (after she loses to Rousey again) is going to be the first opponent for Cyborg at 135 in her "prove she can make the weight" fight prior to Rousey.
Ronda/Meisha 3 is happening on the Aldo/Conor card
They're trying to break the all-time gate record, for sure
They're trying to break the all-time gate record, for sure
This is a really good article, written pre-Correa fight about how to beat Rousey:
http://m.fightland.vice.com/blog/killing-the-queen-ronda-rousey
http://m.fightland.vice.com/blog/killing-the-queen-ronda-rousey
Vinho Tinto said:
Nate still got a long way to go to top his brother getting into a fight with Joe Riggs after their match in the cage. Nick calling into an mma radio show to give the post hospital fight breakdown was timeless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QybqrxyFSKs
Glover fights tonight. Always loved his jiu jitsu game though he is better known for his striking. I don't know the dude he is fighting but he has a nice highlight reel and his left hand looks good. I'll be rooting for Glover by arm triangle.
191 looks like an all time bad card and they are hyping the hell out of it. No more cards like ufc 100 I guess.
Well, I like OSP. That liver kick he landed put a scare in me. Glover is just too good for him right now but OSP has power and he can learn to defend the takedown better.
Wait till the next time Conor fights.luckiestman said:
The rumored December show has him, Ronda, maybe Weidman, maybe FEDOR... if they do this at Cowboys Stadium it's going to be massive
It's a few months away but 194 has a great top three fights
Aldo Conor
Weidman Rockhold
Jacare Romero
Aldo Conor
Weidman Rockhold
Jacare Romero
Looks like Rousey is going to fight Holm instead of Tate next:
http://mmajunkie.com/2015/08/ufc-champ-ronda-rousey-meets-holly-holm-not-miesha-tate-at-ufc-195
Might be a little early for Holm. Obviously her striking is sound, but it's hard to tell how developed her ground game really is at this point. Seems like a bit more experience for Holm would make this a better fight.
http://mmajunkie.com/2015/08/ufc-champ-ronda-rousey-meets-holly-holm-not-miesha-tate-at-ufc-195
Might be a little early for Holm. Obviously her striking is sound, but it's hard to tell how developed her ground game really is at this point. Seems like a bit more experience for Holm would make this a better fight.
What kind of odds can I get for a first minute arm bar submission win for Rousey?
That's pretty great
Infield Infidel said:
That's pretty great
http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/97-ufc/44523-ufc-nick-diaz-suspended-for-five-years
Nick Diaz suspended for FIVE years for smoking pot.
Nick Diaz suspended for FIVE years for smoking pot.
wild story about Vitor
http://deadspin.com/a-sketchy-drug-test-didn-t-stop-vitor-belfort-from-figh-1717739475
http://deadspin.com/a-sketchy-drug-test-didn-t-stop-vitor-belfort-from-figh-1717739475
And Cyborg is wisely jumping on this news to through shade at the UFC and their golden girl RR who is more and more looking like the duck in this situation.
I think that's being overshadowed by Tank Abbott calling out Rousey to fight a mixed gender match.
good fight, maybe not a great fight.
Jon Jones should wreck both these dudes though when he returns.
Jon Jones should wreck both these dudes though when he returns.
TJ Dillashaw has left Team Alpha Male. He's going to train in Colorado with Team Elevation that is coached by Duane Ludwig. Big loss for Faber's camp.
Robbed is an exaggeration. I thought he won the fight but I can see how people think Jones won.luckiestman said:
Besides that, Jon Jones is a better fighter than both these men. And I hate Jon Jones.
Hopefully we get to see Cormier/Jones next. Cormier said he wants to fight Jones two more times before retiring. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Bader get the next shot though, giving Jones more time to get his life in order.
I have a question, Can Nick Diaz be cleared to fight in any state other than Nevada? Or does the NAC's decision keep him from fighting anywhere in the U.S? Maybe a future possibility of the ufc releasing him to fight outside the U.S....joining Ben Askren in ONE FC. (If he loses his appeal)
I have a question, Can Nick Diaz be cleared to fight in any state other than Nevada? Or does the NAC's decision keep him from fighting anywhere in the U.S? Maybe a future possibility of the ufc releasing him to fight outside the U.S....joining Ben Askren in ONE FC. (If he loses his appeal)
Snowplow said:
Most states keep a reciprocal relationship with the NSAC, so they wouldn't sanction him, but he absolutely could fight overseas. The problem is UFC doesn't want to needlessly agitate the NSAC so they won't let him fight overseas and since he's under contract, they have no incentive to release him where he could bring exposure to another organization such as One FC or the new Rizin promotion in Japan. Basically, Diaz is F'd and will be sitting on the sidelines for years much like Wandy.
Snowplow said:
Yeah, its especially horrible when you look at the actual testing Diaz went through. He was tested 3 times in the course of a day and a half and passed 2 of them. Hate to see him sidelined for so long over something so controversial and stupid.