Umpires & the Angel Hernandez lawsuit

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I feel like this issue isn't getting enough attention.

Last week, Manny Machado was suspended for throwing his bat at the backstop, and the umpire's union unleashed about it from their Twitter (and later Facebook) page.

https://thebiglead.com/2019/06/18/umpires-union-tweet-manny-machado/
I think umpires are completely out of control. Bring on the robots.
It's pretty apparent that MLB has little or no control over its umpires. Do they really expect us to believe that they review and grade umps on their performance?
 

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Will today's game (20+ minute delay to incorrectly apply batting rules) have any effect on his job? Is MLB still scared of the lawsuit? It's been pretty clear for many years that he's not cut out for this, certainly not at crew chief.
 

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Applying it correctly or incorrectly... still no excuse for him to be that confused at the moment. This isn't the first time Cash has done this this year so it's not THAT unique of a situation.
 

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I hope this means they eventually kick him to the curb. It’s bad enough that he’s easily the worst umpire in the game, he’s also arrogant as hell on the field.
 

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I hope this means they eventually kick him to the curb. It’s bad enough that he’s easily the worst umpire in the game, he’s also arrogant as hell on the field.
They'll only do it if they have someone to fill his spot. I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall that the crop of good young umpires is not exactly flush and hasn't been for awhile. Nobody wants to be the guy who gets screamed at, gets death threats, and not even a single nod of appreciation when a good job is done. Some of the younger umps that have been coming up have been very reactive and have itchy trigger-fingers now that they're in the big time.
 

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Will today's game (20+ minute delay to incorrectly apply batting rules) have any effect on his job? Is MLB still scared of the lawsuit? It's been pretty clear for many years that he's not cut out for this, certainly not at crew chief.
Yes! Not only did MLB determine Hernandez got the call wrong, he also eavesdropped on a private conversation with another umpire regarding that game.

https://theathletic.com/1859504/2020/06/08/mlb-claims-that-umpire-angel-hernandez-eavesdropped-on-an-investigation/
The legal filing also noted the following incidents:
  • Acting as an interim crew chief in 2012, Hernandez violated MLB rules by asking Homer Bailey, who had pitched a no-hitter, to autograph 11 baseballs for himself and the crew.
  • Having three calls overturned by replay in the first four innings of a 2018 playoff game between the Yankees and Red Sox.
  • Torre testified he observed Hernandez in another game throwing his headset after having his call overturned on instant replay.
  • Allegedly refusing to change his mind on a replay decision from a 2013 Cleveland game. Torre writes that the umpire still insists during his annual reviews that his call upholding a double high off the wall, rather than a home run, was solid. (Hernandez in his April motion explained: “the screen on which umpires reviewed replay at the time was small and was not in high definition.” Replays in 2013 were handled locally by the onsite umpires.)
 

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His lawyer is saying it's in response to his discrimination lawsuit. Whether it is or it isn't, if true, he should be fired immediately.
 

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Angel took the "L".

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-umpire-angel-hernandez-racial-discrimination-suit-220417290.html

notably,

Federal judge J. Paul Oetken reportedly granted MLB's motion for a summary judgement on Wednesday, writing that "no reasonable juror could find that MLB’s stated explanation is a pretext for discriminatory motive.”

and

"Oetken said MLB made a compelling case that Torre had reason to believe Hernandez simply isn't good enough at his job to deserve a promotion."
 

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Angel took the "L".
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-umpire-angel-hernandez-racial-discrimination-suit-220417290.html
notably,
Federal judge J. Paul Oetken reportedly granted MLB's motion for a summary judgement on Wednesday, writing that "no reasonable juror could find that MLB’s stated explanation is a pretext for discriminatory motive.”
and
"Oetken said MLB made a compelling case that Torre had reason to believe Hernandez simply isn't good enough at his job to deserve a promotion."


Here's the opinion granting summary judgment:
 

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Angel took the "L".

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-umpire-angel-hernandez-racial-discrimination-suit-220417290.html

notably,

Federal judge J. Paul Oetken reportedly granted MLB's motion for a summary judgement on Wednesday, writing that "no reasonable juror could find that MLB’s stated explanation is a pretext for discriminatory motive.”

and

"Oetken said MLB made a compelling case that Torre had reason to believe Hernandez simply isn't good enough at his job to deserve a promotion."


Yet another bad call by Angel Hernandez.
 

joe dokes

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After reading the Order, Torre does not come off well, as he has trouble consistently articulating just what goes into World series assignments.

I'm also not really convinced that summary judgment was appropriate here (at least based on the 4 corners of the order). I thought there was enough (barely) to get to a jury on the pretext/discrimination angle. SJ on employment cases gets a bit deep into he legal/procedural weeds, but I'd be curious what other lawyers think of the ruling. (I'm not disputing what we all know -- that Hernandez is a pretty lousy umpire. But either MLB didn't make that case forcefully enough, it doesn't have the documentary record to support it more than it did, or the Order tried to tread lightly on his ineptitude).
 

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They could have save a lot of words and just said "We find that Mr. Hernandez, in all facets of umpiring, sucks and is lucky to even be employed by Major League Baseball."