Watching the Jones: Dazed & Confused

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I believe you mean "check out the big brain on B."

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With the issues on special teams this last half of the year, this injury would hurt some due to his role on the special teams units.
 

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Is this place always so kind to newcomers? You guys, this boss bitch is so glad he could help.

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I don't know if they have changed the plays they are running on offense or White's role, but Vereen was very rarely asked to block. It wasn't Travis Cadet in NO levels of literally never asked to block, but he was asked to block less than almost any other qualifying back. Doesn't mean pass blocking couldn't be limiting White's playing time, but the Pats haven't asked the pass catching back to do that much in recent years.

I don't think they were saving White from injury with his role over the last month, but I do think its possible they have things designed for him that the team didn't want to put on film.
The more likely reality is that due to NE's OL trouble, pass pro from the running backs is much more important right now than in other times. If White can't block well, then he's a bad fit at this time due to the offense's needs.
 

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The more likely reality is that due to NE's OL trouble, pass pro from the running backs is much more important right now than in other times. If White can't block well, then he's a bad fit at this time due to the offense's needs.
Yeah, I mean, that would fall under changing the plays. I don't think I can get the statistic easily any more so I cant quantify if they've changed usage easily. That could, of course, be happening, I just can't check easily. It still doesn't necessarily make him a bad fit as throwing to backs against strong pass rush isn't exactly unheard of.

My broader point is just that it has been possible for a running back to play that Vereen role on the Patriots without really being much of a factor in pass protection.
 

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Injury reports are not required by the league until four days prior to the next game. That said, I'm sure BB will be generously transparent with everyone's progress, right?

With the issues on special teams this last half of the year, this injury would hurt some due to his role on the special teams units.
He can still play with the cast on the hand. They can just club it up just like JJ Watt's hand.
 

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James White: the Matt Cassel of running backs.
 

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The more likely reality is that due to NE's OL trouble, pass pro from the running backs is much more important right now than in other times. If White can't block well, then he's a bad fit at this time due to the offense's needs.
I don't know, I think I would rather have White as a quick read option to avoid a sack than Brandon Bolden trying to block a Defensive lineman or blitzing LB. White also gives the defense a little more to think about.
 

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I don't know, I think I would rather have White as a quick read option to avoid a sack than Brandon Bolden trying to block a Defensive lineman or blitzing LB. White also gives the defense a little more to think about.
It depends. On 1st-and-10, the 2-yard checkdown to White is fine; on 3rd-and-9 it's not going to do much for you. In some situations, you need to figure out a way to develop something downfield.
 

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White is averaging a rather robust (for a RB) 10ypc and that doesn't include the 50+ yarder he had called back a few weeks ago. Passing the ball to White is generally a good idea, handing it off to him is almost never a good idea.
 

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Perhaps White has trouble learning the plays and the audibles and whatnot. Maybe his coaches see all that in practice and can't trust him in key moments on game day.

Denver has that issue with second yr WR Cody Lattimer. The kid has the physical tools to run and catch and block... but word is he is just way behind when it comes to executing pro plays and handling the audibles.

Whether or not that's it, I'm certain that BB and McD have good reasons for his playing time.
 

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I don't know, I think I would rather have White as a quick read option to avoid a sack than Brandon Bolden trying to block a Defensive lineman or blitzing LB. White also gives the defense a little more to think about.
I think what several posters are pointing out (some, like me, with supposition, others with some #s) is that White *doesn't* give the defense a little more to think about because he's unlikely to run. With the caveat that we all only remember the good plays, those 3rd-and-7 runs for first downs by Lewis, Vereen, Woodhead et al stand out. Even Bolden has broken off a few good runs on passing downs. BB and McD apparently dont have much confidence that White can do that. That doesn't make him a not-useful player.
 

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It depends. On 1st-and-10, the 2-yard checkdown to White is fine; on 3rd-and-9 it's not going to do much for you. In some situations, you need to figure out a way to develop something downfield.
I understand what you are saying, but I still think White is a good option to get those 9 yards, lining up against a LB, relatively quickly. I'd rather him run a slant than keep Bolden back there to get trucked and provide little help as it is. You're also less likely to be in second and third and long scenarios with White out there, which is really what has killed them. I would like to see the playoffs feature a heavy dosage of Brady throwing from the Shotgun.
 

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I think one of the underrated injuries this year was Easley. He really flashed at times; the interior pressure he generated was legit. I hope Sheard/Brown/Hicks can pick up the slack in the playoffs (all of which were good pick-ups).
 

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if you can, when you post tweets can you also post the tweets text along with the link? The tweets are not readable on the mobile apps.

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Two months healing time. You would think he would be good to go. Does have 6 more days of healing to go.
 

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Everyone and their mother knows Edelman and Amendola will be hobbled. At least they draw attention away from Gronkowski, which should be good enough at critical points. Right?
 

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I did not know that. A full recovery was within this time frame when he first went down. On the other hand, I figured the health status of all our injured was in a black box and we would not know until after the fact. Evidently, people are starting to leak.
 
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If Edelman and Danny are hobbled to the point where they are both merely decoys for Gronk, this team is screwed. I think 11 is less hobbled than that.
 

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Right. I wouldn't give much weight to what Joe ammo is reporting here.
Joe had the scoop that said the Sox pitchers were drinking beer & eating chicken right on the bench in the dugout, which was denied by everyone involved (especially Tito).. In other words, he may embellish stuff even if he has a source.
 
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He's a reporter and reporters have sources. It's not exactly a stretch to think they're taking precautions with his foot and playing around with his shoe.
He's a sports anchor not a sports reporter. Big difference. He isn't at Gillette everyday.
 

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He's a reporter and reporters have sources. It's not exactly a stretch to think they're taking precautions with his foot and playing around with his shoe.
And he's probably had the insert in his shoe ever since he started practicing, so he's probably at least somewhat used to it
 

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We could hear about a billion things about Edelman heading into this week and none of it will mean a thing until we see how he looks on the field on Saturday.
 

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And he's probably had the insert in his shoe ever since he started practicing, so he's probably at least somewhat used to it
What exactly would cause him to not be 100%? Would a doctor clear him if the stress of sharp cuts could cause him to refracture at the same spot? Is it just simply from muscle atrophy? Maybe just psychological and/or pain tolerance?
 

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if you can, when you post tweets can you also post the tweets text along with the link? The tweets are not readable on the mobile apps.

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I'll echo that. For some reason, Red, your links to tweets not only do not read on the SOSH app, but they frequently trigger "file not found" errors when I try to read them in web view
 

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What exactly would cause him to not be 100%? Would a doctor clear him if the stress of sharp cuts could cause him to refracture at the same spot? Is it just simply from muscle atrophy? Maybe just psychological and/or pain tolerance?
He hasn't played at game speed in over two months , so from that perspective alone he won't be 100%. Statistically speaking, he's more likely to fracture that bone again than he would be if he waited until next season to play - not a very high risk, but the bone is not as strong yet as it will be in a few months, so it makes sense to protect it with a more rigid insole.
 

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Edelman was high-stepping at practice 2 weeks ago, he's going to be fine, Amendola's going to be fine. Gronk, fine. Brady, Fine. Defense, rested and healed. We're going to blow through the AFC bracket unchallenged.

UNCHALLENGED, I SAY