And that one coming out of it. It's a yard, run the frigging ballLol that playcall in front of the 2 min warning
It's just as much about hitting gold with Lamar (late 1st) than anything.Baltimore had a window to let Harbaugh go. After winning the SB in 2012, they went 8-8 in 2013, then won 10 games and lost in the divisional round. But then in 2015, they went 5-11 and had the #23 offense and #24 defense in the NFL. They looked like a team really struggling to be good again. Over those three seasons they were 23-25, with one disaster season (2015). Still they kept him on, but things didn't look much better, as they went 8-8 the next year, and though the defense improved, the offense was still #21 in the NFL.
So that's a pretty rough 5-year stretch for a team that had a great run from 2008-2012. And not much better in 2017 either, going 9-7 (yay, a winning season) and missing the playoffs again.
I bet Baltimore is glad they've kept Harbaugh.
South Florida, Miami suburbsI see that he’s still wearing the balaclava for the post-game on-field interview. I’m getting uncomfortably warm just watching it.
Where the fuck is this guy from?
True, but the bad stretch was from 2015-2017 (you could argue from 2013-2017 with one "Red Sox 2021 it all went right in the midst of years of bleh" season in there in 2014), and Lamar didn't arrive in the NFL until 2018.It's just as much about hitting gold with Lamar (late 1st) than anything.
Totally agree. When they went with him, they realized that to maximize his talents, they needed to change how they approached offense.Plus, IMO the Ravens deserve credit for handing the keys to Lamar, tailoring their offense to his strengths, etc.
Still not apples to apples with Bill due to age though.Totally agree. When they went with him, they realized that to maximize his talents, they needed to change how they approached offense.
My larger point in all this is that Harbaugh was a successful coach who went through a rough period with a lot of mediocrity and one outright horrific season, and Baltimore didn't fire him. And I'm 100% sure they're very, very glad they didn't.
Yep, that's a factor.Still not apples to apples with Bill due to age though.
Was he raised in a green house?South Florida, Miami suburbs
I believe he was raised in a lab.Was he raised in a green house?
He will benefit immensely by having home field advantage throughout, provided the weather in Baltimore is ok during their games, IMO. If he had to go to Buffalo or KC in January, it would be a very, very different story.The more they talk up Jackson’s MVP prospects; the more I think about the @Deathofthebambino Hypothesis and Lamar wearing, like, a wool balaclava with a coat around his shoulders when on the bench in San Francisco.
Why?Yep, that's a factor.
Because yes, you lose some cognitive ability and energy when you're older. I don't think that's really a controversial take (see note below). Bill could be an exception (and he seems perfectly intact to me), but he's going to be well into his 70s, as opposed to Harbaugh, who was 20 years younger than BB is now at the time period where Baltimore could have let him go for poor performance.Why?
I see the age thing thrown around a lot, and short of making a case for neurocognitive decline or making an evidenced-based case that the BB's offish, unbending public persona (a) matches what he thinks and does behind the scenes and (b) is age-related, it's pretty much nonsense.
Guys don't coach into their seventies? Sure. It's demanding job, and it's easy to see why no one would want it. But inevitably because of cognitive incapacity? Bullshit.
Guys coach into their 70s but historically they don't coach very well.Why?
I see the age thing thrown around a lot, and short of making a case for neurocognitive decline or making an evidenced-based case that the BB's offish, unbending public persona (a) matches what he thinks and does behind the scenes and (b) is age-related, it's pretty much nonsense.
Guys don't coach into their seventies? Sure. It's demanding job, and it's easy to see why no one would want it. But inevitably because of cognitive incapacity? Bullshit.
I'm familiar with the study. I'm a clinical neuropsychologist. Still waiting for evidence that cognitive decline is specifically applicable in BB's case, because if you brought that argument to a Grand Rounds about BB's capacity absent any evidence about his specific profile, you'd be laughed out of the room.Because yes, you lose some cognitive ability and energy when you're older. I don't think that's really a controversial take (see note below). Bill could be an exception (and he seems perfectly intact to me), but he's going to be well into his 70s, as opposed to Harbaugh, who was 20 years younger than BB is now at the time period where Baltimore could have let him go for poor performance.
Note: From this study: Aartsen MJ, Smiths CHM, van Tilburg T, Knopscheer KCPM, Deeg DJH. Activity in older adults: Cause or consequence of cognitive functioning? A longitudinal study on everyday activities and cognitive performance in older adults. Journal of Gerontology: Psychological Science. 2002;57B: P153–P162.
"Cognitive decline may begin after midlife, but most often occurs at higher ages (70 or higher)."
Oh, please. We've been hearing about BB's terrible offensive picks for the better part of a decade now. He might not be as good (or, more importantly, as interested in) the offensive side of things, but the assumption of cognitive decline, absent any understanding of how he's arrived at his decisions, is straight up ageism.That is definitely a take. Bill has done an incredible job over the years managing the team but it is clear he can't handle things on the offensive side, especially when it comes to talent evaluation and draft picks.
Well you know much more about this stuff than I do, and I don't know what a Grand Rounds is. Neither of us actually knows Belichick personally (that's an assumption on my part; maybe you do know him personally). All we can go on is what we see via the media. He looks the same to me, as I said. I haven't noticed any mental decline. But I don't think it's unreasonable to think, if you're thinking about the guy who you may want to coach the team for the next 8 years, that it might be better to go with a younger guy.I'm familiar with the study. I'm a clinical neuropsychologist. Still waiting for evidence that cognitive decline is specifically applicable in BB's case, because if you brought that argument to a Grand Rounds about BB's capacity absent any evidence about his specific profile, you'd be laughed out of the room.
Apologies for the Marshall McLuhan moment; that was unfair. But I've long had a big-ass bee in my bonnet about popular conceptions of aging. They are, by and large, valid generalizations, but one thing you learn very quickly is that some folks--how old is the Leader of the Free World, exactly?--are going to knock your generalizations on their ass, and you'd best not judge based on preconceptions.Well you know much more about this stuff than I do, and I don't know what a Grand Rounds is. Neither of us actually knows Belichick personally (that's an assumption on my part; maybe you do know him personally). All we can go on is what we see via the media. He looks the same to me, as I said. I haven't noticed any mental decline. But I don't think it's unreasonable to think, if you're thinking about the guy who you may want to coach the team for the next 8 years, that it might be better to go with a younger guy.
Well just so you know… I’m very much in the keep Bill camp.Apologies for the Marshall McLuhan moment; that was unfair. But I've long had a big-ass bee in my bonnet about popular conceptions of aging. They are, by and large, valid generalizations, but one thing you learn very quickly is that some folks--how old is the Leader of the Free World, exactly?--are going to knock your generalizations on their ass, and you'd best not judge based on preconceptions.
I don't have any particular argument about bringing in someone else; I don't actually know where I stand about cutting him loose. But if you're going to dump the GOAT, you'd best have your ducks in a row and not rely on bullshit. This site has always been better than that.