What are you talking about? I really don't think race has much to do with the way the taunting penalties were called.It's them wanting to control the actions of (largely) black men.
What are you talking about? I really don't think race has much to do with the way the taunting penalties were called.It's them wanting to control the actions of (largely) black men.
You're right, this is the same guy who had a 43-year-old backup QB kick the first drop kick in 65 years. It's fun.Then Tom Brady couldn't have punted, though.
It was a mess at Gillette last week too.Pitt fans aren't too happy with the paperless ticketing. Sounds like a cluster*uck there. I guess Carnegie Mellon doesn't osmote.
View: https://twitter.com/mikefreemanNFL/status/1439979868746395657What are you talking about? I really don't think race has much to do with the way the taunting penalties were called.
Maybe the NFL's system is different, but you should be able to forward tickets to someone else.It was a mess at Gillette last week too.
Here is the new deal, no paper tickets, so all tickets are now on your phone. The problems really took hold when you had thousands of people in line to get through security, and the stadium wifi couldn't handle the load, so people are literally getting to the front of the line, updating their phones, rebooting their phones and trying to get a connection. They will not accept screen shots of your tickets either, because the tickets go through ticket master, you download from there, and then they go into your Gillette Stadium App. The bar code apparently changes every xxx amount of minutes, so you must have a live feed on your phone with internet to get in the door.
Then it gets worse. I have 2 seats in section 125 and 2 in section 129. The problem is I have all 4 tickets on my phone, so once my friends who weren't sitting with me, tried to get to their seats, the usher wouldn't let them because they didn't have the tickets on their phone, and they wouldn't accept a screen shot, so every time they got up, I'd have to go over to where they were to make sure they could go back to their seats....It was a mess.
You can transfer tickets, but we didn't worry about doing that beforehand, because we were all going into the game together, so it made more sense for one person to have the tickets on their phone, rather than 2 or 4 people also now worrying about downloading multiple apps, and trying to get a connection at security, etc. A lot of times, we don't even know which folks in our group (we've been tailgating with the same 24-28 people for about 30 years) are showing up at the game until game day.Maybe the NFL's system is different, but you should be able to forward tickets to someone else.
I had something similar happen at a concert on Friday night. It's not the NFL. It's ticketmaster.Maybe the NFL's system is different, but you should be able to forward tickets to someone else.
I’m going to the game this coming Sunday, and I can’t say reading this pumped me up too much.It was a mess at Gillette last week too.
Here is the new deal, no paper tickets, so all tickets are now on your phone. The problems really took hold when you had thousands of people in line to get through security, and the stadium wifi couldn't handle the load, so people are literally getting to the front of the line, updating their phones, rebooting their phones and trying to get a connection. They will not accept screen shots of your tickets either, because the tickets go through ticket master, you download from there, and then they go into your Gillette Stadium App. The bar code apparently changes every xxx amount of minutes, so you must have a live feed on your phone with internet to get in the door.
Then it gets worse. I have 2 seats in section 125 and 2 in section 129. The problem is I have all 4 tickets on my phone, so once my friends who weren't sitting with me, tried to get to their seats, the usher wouldn't let them because they didn't have the tickets on their phone, and they wouldn't accept a screen shot, so every time they got up, I'd have to go over to where they were to make sure they could go back to their seats....It was a mess.
CorrectamundoSo you can’t even do Google or Apple Wallet because of the changing bar codes?
This is as disingenuous an argument as the right uses when they say masking and vaccines are about control and compliance.
It will be interesting if they ever call Brady for it. He always loves a little taunting of a defender after a big play (see Tyrann Mathieu in the Super Bowl or Anthony Smith in 2007)
Do people not watch the NFL because players spin the ball on the ground after a first down? This is nothing like the kneeling, which was more of a media story than a thing that damaged the NFL. The ratings for the NFL appear to be decent. They were up 7% from last year. So by decent, I mean the biggest ratings draw out of anything currently televised. Nothing is seeing a ratings increase. The NBA finals were watched by like 18 people. . . .total.It's not illogical to me at all. NFL viewers skew white and conservative, and black players kneeling for racial justice was enough to throw them into a tizzy. Players taunting aka "acting black" or what they'd call "disrespecting the game" in MLB is absolutely something these billionaire white owners would be concerned about. Do you really not see that as a possibility?
John Mara was definitely the loudest individual involved with the Competition Committee about the rule. And his team is literally the worst team in the NFL. And his comments indicated exactly that.So your theory is that the owners of bad teams pushed for this rule so other teams would stop taunting their players?
Thing is.... there was no whistle. They retroactively called forward progress because they didn't want to call grounding in the end zone for a safety. If Wilson completes a pass on that throw they would have allowed it because they never blew the play dead.Contact starts in the field of play...even though Wilson's own momentum is taking him backwards that's where forward progress would be established. It's quick whistle on forward progress, but if you call it it has to be in the field of play. If you don't call it then the pass is legally grounded.
Honestly a safety here to end the game would be a really brutal ruling. Probably career limiting.
I don't see why any of those penalties were controversial. That stuff has been called for several years now.
Nice try with the gaslighting. A tweet was posted in this actual thread. It had the actual words as follows. "This is about control. Specifically, and mostly, control of Black bodies."Who's calling him a slave owner? Quit the bullshit hyperbole. "We get kind of sick and tired of the talking that does go on from time to time on the field. Nobody wants to see that." They don't like the "talking" that goes on. AKA young black men expressing themselves in an extremely competitive environment the way they've grown up doing. It's a fucking dog whistle, but old white dudes like Mara are lucky they have guys like you in their corner to defend them.
No. They, as employers, want as much control over their employees as possible. This is not unique in our society, but the dynamic of billionaire white guys telling a bunch of black guys who bash their own heads in every Sunday how to behave in what they view as a dignified manner absolutely is. They reap billions in profits off of their backs every year and it’s still not enough. They couldn’t deal with them trash talking or spinning a fucking football so they had to shut that down, because they can. Because they do control those black men and their bodies as much as anyone legally can today.Nice try with the gaslighting. A tweet was posted in this actual thread. It had the actual words as follows. "This is about control. Specifically, and mostly, control of Black bodies."
How do you read that Tweet? They want to control those black bodies so they can give them hugs?
Yeah, you don't get it. That's alright.This is as disingenuous an argument as the right uses when they say masking and vaccines are about control and compliance.
Is an illegal shift racist? How about offsides?
Further, bringing such a V&N hot take into a Week 2 NFL thread isn't cool.
If they were just trying to avoid calling a safety why not just call the pass incomplete? Forward progress rulings can take some time because you need to be sure that the runner isn't going to escape. But as I said before I think the whistle is quick here.Thing is.... there was no whistle. They retroactively called forward progress because they didn't want to call grounding in the end zone for a safety. If Wilson completes a pass on that throw they would have allowed it because they never blew the play dead.
It was 100% a "I can't call a safety that ends the game, please give me a reason that isn't reviewable", which lead to "yeah forward progress.... I meant to blow the whistle but forgot" which is a massive copout.
I don't like the emphasis that's happened so often this year, but it's not a new rule. Taunting has been a rule forever. Nobody batted an eye when they made the throat slash gesture a penalty.Is this different than when refs T up NBA players? If so, how? I am open to the idea that taunting is kind of a racist rule. Is it racist in the NBA too? Probably?
So then you should be fine with the player being taunted reacting and laying out the guy taunting him. After all, they are just expressing themselves in an extremely competitive environment and just reacting to their emotions? A lot of these players probably did grow up doing just that if someone taunted them in the streets (I know, I probably would have if I was 6'5 and 280 pounds). I don't think race has anything to do with this. I think JohnMD is probably close to correct. Guys like Mara, who have bad teams are constantly watching their players abused on the field, and then taunted between plays, but his guys are supposed to control themselves instead of retaliate, because retaliating (the second guy always gets called) is almost always a penalty.Who's calling him a slave owner? Quit the bullshit hyperbole. "We get kind of sick and tired of the talking that does go on from time to time on the field. Nobody wants to see that." They don't like the "talking" that goes on. AKA young black men expressing themselves in an extremely competitive environment the way they've grown up doing. It's a fucking dog whistle, but old white dudes like Mara are lucky they have guys like you in their corner to defend them.
Or, you know, the pitcher could not throw at a guy's head because another guy taunted their team over a strikeout? Everyone can just have fun and grow up a little and not retaliate over something small and inconsequential. I mean there should be degrees to this and certain violent taunts should be flagged but some guy doing the "no chance" hands gesture after a pass break up ain't it.If after every strikeout, a Sox pitcher went all Derek Lowe with a "suck it", and in the next half inning, Xander took a fastball to to the dome, would folks have a problem if the pitcher was instead tossed for taunting? Or would they prefer to allow that but the price you pay is Xander missing the next few weeks?
It's the retaliation and the fact that if you allow taunting, but don't allow a response, where's the line?
Because physical violence is exactly the same as flexing or spinning a ball? Talk about a straw man. And black guys grew up punching each other "in the streets?" The amount of tone deaf, white privilege on display in this thread is stunning.So then you should be fine with the player being taunted reacting and laying out the guy taunting him. After all, they are just expressing themselves in an extremely competitive environment and just reacting to their emotions? A lot of these players probably did grow up doing just that if someone taunted them in the streets (I know, I probably would have if I was 6'5 and 280 pounds). I don't think race has anything to do with this. I think JohnMD is probably close to correct. Guys like Mara, who have bad teams are constantly watching their players abused on the field, and then taunted between plays, but his guys are supposed to control themselves instead of retaliate, because retaliating (the second guy always gets called) is almost always a penalty.
They've called as many taunting penalties in 2 weeks as they did all of last year. They're going after the most benign shit possible to put the players on notice as to how they're expected to behave.Race questions aside as well as that perhaps some of those would have been called last year...who is bothered by the shit in that twitter clip? Even from the Belichick angle, the only one of those I'd be angry at a Patriots player for in the abstract is maybe the Keenan Allen one where he follows the defender and looks like he's about to chest bump him. The rest are beyond benign.
I just think it's so hard to officiate. What's taunting at this point? The 49ers put out a mic-ed up video of one of their OL lying on top of a DL after Jimmy's qb sneak TD yesterday, where he's cheering "TD BABY! TD ALL DAY!"Football is a violent game and I can understand some concern about taunting leading to retaliation and guys getting suspended or hurt. I think the new emphasis on an old rule is more about keeping players on the field than it is racially motivated.
That’s the only one I saw as it happened. Unless he said something vile, it didn’t seem that out of place or flaggable to me - but Allen is a bit of an intense competitor and maybe the bump and following the other player put it over the edge.Race questions aside as well as that perhaps some of those would have been called last year...who is bothered by the shit in that twitter clip? Even from the Belichick angle, the only one of those I'd be angry at a Patriots player for in the abstract is maybe the Keenan Allen one where he follows the defender and looks like he's about to chest bump him. The rest are beyond benign.
Hadn't done my hw, but that's what I figured. Feels shortsighted to me, outside of shit talking after helmet to helmet/injuries which has obviously no place in 2021, I think a sizable portion of fans look at what's passing for taunting as a feature, not a bug.They've called as many taunting penalties in 2 weeks as they did all last year. They're going after the most benign shit possible to put the players on notice of how they're expected to behave.
I don't know. I'd hope they would draw a distinction between taunting clearly directed at an opposing player and not something untargeted and more celebratory. But it is the NFL, so I don't have high expectations.I just think it's so hard to officiate. What's taunting at this point? The 49ers put out a mic-ed up video of one of their OL lying on top of a DL after Jimmy's qb sneak TD yesterday, where he's cheering "TD BABY! TD ALL DAY!"
Is that taunting? What the hell constitutes it?
The Akins ball spin was, in particular, a horrendous penalty. Just absurdity.Race questions aside as well as that perhaps some of those would have been called last year...who is bothered by the shit in that twitter clip? Even from the Belichick angle, the only one of those I'd be angry at a Patriots player for in the abstract is maybe the Keenan Allen one where he follows the defender and looks like he's about to chest bump him. The rest are beyond benign.
Are you saying no way the refs call a safety there because it would affect their career. If you are basing any calls based on your career trajectory then you throw any claims of objectivity out the window. Any ref doing that has no business being on the field.Honestly a safety here to end the game would be a really brutal ruling. Probably career limiting.
I don't believe it's simply spinning the ball = penalty. You have to spin the ball in a taunting manner e.g. in the direction of an opponent.1) Spinning the ball after a catch has been a taunting penalty as long as I can remember
Yup. This was literally never an issue. I've never seen it be brought up as an issue. I can't even recall an instance in which a brawl broke out because of a taunt. Unless it constitutes an act of aggression, let guys beat their chest, spin the ball, wave goodbye, who cares? Winfield got the fingers from Hill and then got his revenge in the Super Bowl and it was awesome. Whose children did that act negatively impact?I guess I don’t see what ‘problem’ the new emphasis on the enforcement of the taunting rule is solving. What it has certainly seemed to do is create a wholly separate, and worse, problem, namely pissing off fans and players because nobody except coaches and owners give a fuck about most of the celebrations captured in the Twitter video posted upthread.
Probably tyreek’sYup. This was literally never an issue. I've never seen it be brought up as an issue. I can't even recall an instance in which a brawl broke out because of a taunt. Unless it constitutes an act of aggression, let guys beat their chest, spin the ball, wave goodbye, who cares? Winfield got the fingers from Hill and then got his revenge in the Super Bowl and it was awesome. Whose children did that act negatively impact?